Anyone watching the GOP debate?

[BrianFromWA]

happy to help. Someone needs to fill in the gaps that the British media can't cover, due to their extensive reportage of American war crimes.

When friends of mine had surface-to-air missiles shots at them, and others had anti-aircraft fire target them, but were told they could not retaliate under the current ROE? Yes, I consider that stupid. Call me a warmonger if you like, but I'm of the school of thought that believes that when a country reneges on its instrument of surrender, the surrender is off and war is on. IMHO, we didn't do enough to "discourage" them from putting our airmen in harm's way. If Britain and France would've done that in 1935, there wouldn't have been a WWII that had Germany as its main protagonist.

As for the "innocents" who just died because they were targeting a US plane with fire-control radar? I'd say there's a lesson to be learned from that, and it's not that you can tie our behavior in that arena to innocent muslim terrorists pushed past the breaking point of wanting to commit mass murder.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

why did they attack us?

military presence in the middle east, most notably saudi arabia
us support of the pro-western regimes of some middle eastern countries
us support of israel
and
the ongoing civilian deaths in iraq at the time

next time they attack will be for the same reasons, plus continued civilian deaths in iraq, and afghanistan ...

not on their side, but i see what they are fighting for

 

[barfo]

In 1990, the only reason we were in the Middle East was to protect Saudi Arabia (and Israel, to an extent) from being overrun by Saddam and to take Kuwait back.

Pretty sure that our reasons for being in the Middle East aren't entirely understood/accepted worldwide.

Less than two years later, someone tried to knock over one WTC into the other with a car bomb in the basement. All we had done up to that point was respond to the aid of one of our Middle Eastern allies, push back the bully on the block, and leave him in power at the request of Middle Eastern nations. And still, the WTCs were targeted by terrorists.

So maybe they see the situation differently than you do.

IMHO, it's not a good idea to paint the US and its policies as the blame for 9/11.

The blame lies with them who done it. But it's not unreasonable to ask why it was that they did it.

When in reality it was just evil people attempting to harm others.

It wasn't just that. It was evil people attempting to harm Americans in particular. If they just wanted to kill people, they could have chosen an easier, more local target.
And there were reasons for targeting Americans. They may not have been good reasons from your point of view, but we weren't randomly selected.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Brian,

In one of Bin Laden's rants, he gave his reason for the attack as US troops permanently stationed in Mecca (Saudi Arabia). I honestly don't think he cared about Israel. Or Saddam.

I think it was a little more complicated, so we can't just take his word as the only reason. He was our ally, of sorts, when we helped him fight the USSR invasion. When the Russkies pulled out, he wanted/needed to continue fighting, and we are the big target.

One of my biggest beefs with govt. is that it sells weapons. I also don't particularly like it that they hire private companies to design and build new ones. There may be no better way, so the least we could do is tie the govt. contracts to a rule that the company cannot sell the weapons to anyone else. It's a bit dicey because we're part of NATO and those allies maybe should be flying our planes, etc.

 

[ABM]

One of my biggest beefs with govt. is that it sells weapons. I also don't particularly like it that they hire private companies to design and build new ones. There may be no better way, so the least we could do is tie the govt. contracts to a rule that the company cannot sell the weapons to anyone else. It's a bit dicey because we're part of NATO and those allies maybe should be flying our planes, etc.

Awww, c'mon, Denny..

 

[jlprk]

When friends of mine had surface-to-air missiles shots at them, and others had anti-aircraft fire target them, but were told they could not retaliate under the current ROE? Yes, I consider that stupid.

This happened in the skies of Iraq between our two wars with Iraq? Not according to the media. Every few days throughout those years, I'd read a little tiny article about how a radar station in the No-Fly Zone had flipped on its radar as an American flyer flew within a hundred miles or so, so the fighter locked onto the beam and destroyed the station. The reason was that it was possible that a weapon MIGHT be fired using the radar.

You're saying that not just a beam, but actual weapons WERE fired at planes in the No-Fly Zone, yet rules of engagement precluded them defending themselves? This contradicts the permission to destroy the source of a POSSIBLE weapon firing, right? How do you reconcile a defense being allowed against a POSSIBLE offense, but not against an ACTUAL attack?

 

[huevonkiller]

Nobody else watched?

More commentary from me, then:

Huntsman: I want to like the guy, I think he actually has a brain, and some useful experience, but he's just too smarmy, and says some pretty strange things (Cobain, treason). Needs to quit hanging out at the tanning salon with Boehner.

Cain: If I were a photoshop wizard, I'd fix up a video of him taking a huge bong hit just before saying that America is too uptight. If you look at his tax plan from another angle, it's the 666 plan. The tax plan of the beast.

Bachmann: Pure evil. Might go Tanya Harding on the other candidates, or anyone else who gets in her way. The woman has no redeeming features whatsoever.

Romney: I don't want to like him, but I sort of do. He's clearly smarter than most of the people on stage, and seems to be enjoying himself up there. He's got absolutely no ideology to get in the way of constructing the best possible answer at any given time. Despite being smart, he kind of reminds me of a big friendly dog. He just wants to please you so that you'll feed him (the presidency). Woof!

Perry: Dumb-ass Aggie (as if there were any other kind). That deer-in-the-headlights look he gets when they ask him questions reminds me of GWB. I love it that he didn't deny he could be bought, just wanted to argue the price. Guess that's honesty, of a sort.

Paul: Again, I want to like the guy, I think it is good to have someone tilting at windmills. But he's just not very good at it. If you are Ron Paul, and you get booed by the Tea Party - game over.

Gingrich: Who cares. He's not even really running, and in fact is mostly trying to prop up the frontrunners instead of knocking them down. He's just lobbying for a job in the Romney or Perry administration. He's not devoid of brains, but he sure as hell is never going to be President, and he knows it and accepts it.

Santorum: Jesus, what a creep. Aside from Bachmann, the candidate I'd least like to have as my next door neighbor. Sanctimonious asshole.

And there you have it. Which will I vote for? I just can't decide.

barfo

Palin is hot, just vote for her I guess.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Palin is hot, just vote for her I guess.

i thought you wouldnt like her because she is a slut, i guess you just changed your mind

 

[barfo]

I missed the last Republican debate. I mean I didn't see it.

But I thought I'd throw this out (it does not refer to just the last debate).

Analysis of politifact results. See Nate's article for the caveats to these results, but the chart above corresponds to my gut feeling about who is full of shit and who is slightly less full of shit.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Who cares, Paul is still better than Huntsman. Huntsman is a better version of Romney but he still wants to build a stupid border fence. That is completely unfeasible.

Romney avoids talking about his past, instead of lying about it. If he were forced into a corner his record on healthcare and spending could easily be exposed. His economic plan is inferior to Huntsman's too, what a joke.

Aside from the Libertarians (Johnson and Paul), Perry is the least xenophobic out of this whole group. He's not a coward like Romney in economic issues and won't start a trade war with China. His debate skills are not polished at all, but Romney has an ugly history of BSing the GOP. I would not mind voting for Perry or Huntsman.

 

[Mediocre Man]

There is one thing to remember when talking about building a boarder fence. If you build it, they won't come. American's won't be forced to learn Spanish in order to stay competitive in certain jobs. English should absolutely be made our official language. I should never have to hear.....Para el hablar español la gente presiona el número dos

 

[huevonkiller]

You need to explain why your phobia of Spanish should impact a CEO who wants to hire efficient and cheap labor?

Btw the price of products goes down, and economies are built on a GROWING labor force, not a shrinking one. Take a look at Japan one day.

There is one thing to remember when talking about building a boarder fence. If you build it, they won't come. American's won't be forced to learn Spanish in order to stay competitive in certain jobs. English should absolutely be made our official language. I should never have to hear.....Para el hablar español la gente presiona el número dos

*Para hablar en español, por favor presione el número dos

No problem.

 

[bluefrog]

You need to explain why your phobia of Spanish should impact a CEO who wants to hire efficient and cheap labor?

Btw the price of products go down, and economies are built on a GROWING labor force not a shrinking one. Take a look at Japan one day.




*Para hablar en español, por favor presione el número dos

In addition to that some states already have multiple official languages. New Mexico and Louisiana are two, I think.

 

[huevonkiller]

In addition to that some states already have multiple official languages. New Mexico and Louisiana are two, I think.

Suck it.

 

[bluefrog]

Suck it.

Uh, I was supporting your point....

 

[huevonkiller]

Uh, I was supporting your point....

That's your reward for agreeing, you get to blow me.

 

[jlprk]

Uh, I was supporting your point....

Huevonkiller is a far-right Mexican. Don't expect him to understand English.

 

[bluefrog]

Huevonkiller is a far-right Mexican. Don't expect him to understand English.

Everything suddenly makes sense.

 

[huevonkiller]

Jlprk, you might want to expand your knowledge of the world a little bit, before you trash Mexicans.

In Miami we don't have that many mexicans, that is a horrible guess.

Huevonkiller is a far-right Mexican. Don't expect him to understand English.

Nah fuck him, I understood his attempt to appease me.

If he sucks me off I'll let it go.

 

[bluefrog]

That's your reward for agreeing, you get to blow me.

Do you get a hard-on when people agree with you?

 

[huevonkiller]

Do you get a hard-on when people agree with you?

Yeah baby. No doubt.

 

[barfo]

Huevonkiller is a far-right Mexican.

Jlprk, you might want to expand your knowledge of the world a little bit, before you trash Mexicans.

barfo

 

[jlprk]

I went to a high school that was half-Mexican. Half my friends were Mexicans, so I like Mexicans. The other half were whites trying to look like convicts. It follows that I also like whites trying to look like convicts. I see I left out something.

Huevonkiller is a far-right Mexican who wants to suck you. Don't expect him to understand English.

As they say, "fixed." (Not like a cat or dog.)

 

[bluefrog]

Do you get a hard-on when people agree with you?

Yeah baby. No doubt.

Let that be a warning to all of you!!!!

 

[huevonkiller]

I went to a high school that was half-Mexican. Half my friends were Mexicans, so I like Mexicans. The other half were whites trying to look like convicts. It follows that I also like whites trying to look like convicts. I see I left out something.

As they say, "fixed." (Not like a cat or dog.)

JLPRK I post very loosely and informally around here. Forgive my grammar then. I am a lazy person in that sense.

But you seem to genuinely have an ignorance of geography. In Miami we think anyone that calls us all Mexican is really foolish. Learn a little bit about the world before you talk.

 

[huevonkiller]

Let that be a warning to all of you!!!!

Bust a nut.

 

[barfo]

In Miami we think anyone that calls us all Mexican is really foolish. Learn a little bit about the world before you talk.

So... what are you?

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

So... what are you?

barfo

Honestly? I am mostly Hispanic, and I changed my name recently too. Just in case you're getting any ideas.

 

[jlprk]

But you seem to genuinely have an ignorance of geography. In Miami we think anyone that calls us all Mexican is really foolish. Learn a little bit about the world before you talk.

In Miami, Mark Cuban would be considered Mexican.

Huevonkiller is a far-right Mexican who recently changed his name, wants to suck you, and doesn't understand English so he makes his arguments by referring you to Denny's last post.

Fixed. But this is getting too long.

Huevonkiller is batcrazy.

Fixed and concise.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Florida is more Puerto Rican and Cuban, yes?

People who get all upset about Spanish being spoken amuse me.