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Lanny said:
Beer for a beer. Must be drunk in an establishment of the winner's choice. All bettors must be present and be congenial if not jovial.
Politics must not be discussed. Winner must put on shit eating grin. Loser must shed tears. Bulk of conversation must be about Blazers.
The judge must be the high priest of this place, SlyPokerDog.
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Aha, so Chris wants to join in on the fun. Good.
Anyone else?
 
riverman said:
It's a cannabis strain?
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I've been out of that loop for about 40 or so years now. I only smoked weed between the expiration of my first security clearance and the beginning of my second clearance. Had three clearances and admitted to previously smoking weed during my last two security clearance applications.
The guys in my office told me I was stupid for admitting to have smoked weed when I was going through my second clearance interview and the NSA official who interviewed me clearly didn't want me to get the clearance but someone over him decided to grant me the clearance anyhow. Must be because they would have to reject almost all the greatest engineers working on classified government projects. Also, they had to have liked my honesty.
 
Lanny said:
Free health care for all may not be popular at this time but it is the right thing to do.
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It actually is very popular, despite what the private healthcare sponsored news tells you. 70% of people support it, and that includes a lot of Republican voters That’s not to mention nearly ALL Democratic voters who want it. Big money tends to skew reality when the messenger is on their payroll.
 
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Lanny said:
Free health care for all may not be popular at this time but it is the right thing to do.
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Managed by whom? The people who manage the VA so well? The people who are doing so well running Medicare?
 
BlazerWookee said:
The people who manage the VA so well?
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The Eugene VA clinic is awesome...they've been giving me great medical care since I've signed up there...are paying for my hernia surgery next Tuesday...doctors are thorough and take all the time you need....answer your questions. They deserve to be recognized for being very well organized in my experience here. I can't speak for any other VA clinic but the Eugene facility is top shelf...medics in the military were very, very capable when I served...I've been less impressed with private clinics than the VA
 
Lanny said:
Beer for a beer. Must be drunk in an establishment of the winner's choice. All bettors must be present and be congenial if not jovial.
Politics must not be discussed. Winner must put on shit eating grin. Loser must shed tears. Bulk of conversation must be about Blazers.
The judge must be the high priest of this place, SlyPokerDog.
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Best post in this entire OT forum in so long.
 
riverman said:
The Eugene VA clinic is awesome...they've been giving me great medical care since I've signed up there...are paying for my hernia surgery next Tuesday...doctors are thorough and take all the time you need....answer your questions. They deserve to be recognized for being very well organized in my experience here. I can't speak for any other VA clinic but the Eugene facility is top shelf...medics in the military were very, very capable when I served...I've been less impressed with private clinics than the VA
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Im still annoyed that the Providence VA told my grandfather not to get treated for his prostate cancer because it is such a slow moving cancer (this was like 20 years ago), they told him you’ll die of something else first. 3 years later the cancer had spread and he died from it.

However, my anecdotal experience doesnt necessarily mean its all bad or I can judge the whole place, or system. Still... kind of sucks I may have had my grandfather longer...
 
riverman said:
The Eugene VA clinic is awesome...they've been giving me great medical care since I've signed up there...are paying for my hernia surgery next Tuesday...doctors are thorough and take all the time you need....answer your questions. They deserve to be recognized for being very well organized in my experience here. I can't speak for any other VA clinic but the Eugene facility is top shelf...medics in the military were very, very capable when I served...I've been less impressed with private clinics than the VA
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Well I see a change came about. Welcome!

The docs and the medical staff are great. I love it that they do not mine me for procedures that will pay, as in medicare.
But man, wait until you run into the system. It may take a bit, but be prepared. I does require tenacity.

And remember, your are in the Eugene system, but at the same time, also Portland, and Roseburg. I have now used all three for providers, Portland for this, Eugene for that, where they look to Roseburg for me, first. It is not clear, yet to me, just exactly what or how using private practice providers works.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Im still annoyed that the Providence VA told my grandfather not to get treated for his prostate cancer because it is such a slow moving cancer (this was like 20 years ago), they told him you’ll die of something else first. 3 years later the cancer had spread and he died from it.

However, my anecdotal experience doesnt necessarily mean its all bad or I can judge the whole place, or system. Still... kind of sucks I may have had my grandfather longer...
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TBF
its very hereditary so be sure to let your doc know and get a base line established as young's you can.
The key is to detect it early and be proactive. They told my pop the same thing and it spread.
Sorry about your granddad.
 
riverman said:
The Eugene VA clinic is awesome...they've been giving me great medical care since I've signed up there...are paying for my hernia surgery next Tuesday...doctors are thorough and take all the time you need....answer your questions. They deserve to be recognized for being very well organized in my experience here. I can't speak for any other VA clinic but the Eugene facility is top shelf...medics in the military were very, very capable when I served...I've been less impressed with private clinics than the VA
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Hope your hernia surgery goes well! Im sure it will!
 
BlazerWookee said:
Managed by whom? The people who manage the VA so well? The people who are doing so well running Medicare?
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The Portland, Tucson and La Jolla VA hospitals are well run as are some of the clinics. And oh yeah, the Roseburg VA seemed well run when my brother was there. Those are the only VA hospitals that I have first had experience with. Also, the American Legion magazine consistently states that Veterans prefer the VA healthcare system over the private system outside the VA.
Ask me or my wife how well Medicare takes care of her health care needs.
Now ask me about the nightmare that we had about 20 years ago with Aetna.
 
BlazerWookee said:
Managed by whom? The people who manage the VA so well? The people who are doing so well running Medicare?
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The US pays more than twice per capita in healthcare compared to the UK, Canada, Japan, Australia and many other countries, yet, if we look at Bloomberg's health index the US at #35 is well behind the UK (#19), Canada (#16), Japan (#4) etc... - we are basically paying more than twice as much for a lesser result. Why do you love paying so much for questionable quality?

Now, let's look at Medicare to look at it's overhead costs - direct overhead costs of Medicare is a low 1% of the spending, compared to the 3% or 4% (last time I heard, can't find actual numbers) of private insurance. However, a lot of medicare services are actually provided by private insurers - when you include the overhead of these, Medicare overhead jumps to 7% of the overhead (in other words, the private insurance that provides some of the medicare services are milking it for all it's worth). So Medicare, where it is actually a fully managed program is actually pretty efficient -but because it is a supplementary program that needs to go to private insurers for many things - it becomes very inefficient.

The reality of the situation is that healthcare is something that people that love the word capitalism should invest in - if you take healthcare out of the hands of the employers - all of a sudden it is much easier to offer well paying jobs for everyone and the US becomes a much easier place to build factories and offer employment. Add the fact that for most modern endeavors the work force is the most important resource - it is an absolute idiocy not to invest in it. If you look at the places where US companies dominate their industries - a lot of the most successful companies are those that cater to their employees.

Universal health care is a way to make capitalism work better in America. Start thinking with your head instead of your 1950s era principles...
 
andalusian said:
Now, let's look at Medicare to look at it's overhead costs - direct overhead costs of Medicare is a low 1% of the spending, compared to the 3% or 4% (last time I heard, can't find actual numbers) of private insurance. However, a lot of medicare services are actually provided by private insurers - when you include the overhead of these, Medicare overhead jumps to 7% of the overhead (in other words, the private insurance that provides some of the medicare services are milking it for all it's worth). So Medicare, where it is actually a fully managed program is actually pretty efficient -but because it is a supplementary program that needs to go to private insurers for many things - it becomes very inefficient.
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I can't make out what you are saying in the above. Mostly because I can understand the point you are trying to make in the highlighted parts.
 
andalusian said:
The US pays more than twice per capita in healthcare compared to the UK, Canada, Japan, Australia and many other countries, yet, if we look at Bloomberg's health index the US at #35 is well behind the UK (#19), Canada (#16), Japan (#4) etc... - we are basically paying more than twice as much for a lesser result. Why do you love paying so much for questionable quality?

Now, let's look at Medicare to look at it's overhead costs - direct overhead costs of Medicare is a low 1% of the spending, compared to the 3% or 4% (last time I heard, can't find actual numbers) of private insurance. However, a lot of medicare services are actually provided by private insurers - when you include the overhead of these, Medicare overhead jumps to 7% of the overhead (in other words, the private insurance that provides some of the medicare services are milking it for all it's worth). So Medicare, where it is actually a fully managed program is actually pretty efficient -but because it is a supplementary program that needs to go to private insurers for many things - it becomes very inefficient.

The reality of the situation is that healthcare is something that people that love the word capitalism should invest in - if you take healthcare out of the hands of the employers - all of a sudden it is much easier to offer well paying jobs for everyone and the US becomes a much easier place to build factories and offer employment. Add the fact that for most modern endeavors the work force is the most important resource - it is an absolute idiocy not to invest in it. If you look at the places where US companies dominate their industries - a lot of the most successful companies are those that cater to their employees.

Universal health care is a way to make capitalism work better in America. Start thinking with your head instead of your 1950s era principles...
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Bloomburg's health index isn't just health insurance plans, it's judging how healthy people are. Would venture to guess that culturally were way lower than 35th in healthy lifestyles on average so, I'm not sure what it means that we made it that high.
 
"The Squad" is back in full force. You go, girls!
 
Sounds to me like the AOC-led "Squad"......

https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...mp-and-impeachment-how-the-speaker-got-to-yes

Pelosi had worked the phones all weekend, talking to Democrats in between delivering remarks at memorial services Saturday for journalist Cokie Roberts in Washington and Sunday for Rep. James E. Clyburn’s wife, Emily, in South Carolina, as news reports unspooled more details of the Ukraine call.


Pelosi started telling some veteran lawmakers who had been withholding their views to go ahead and get out in front of her. She talked with Charles E. Schumer, the Democratic leader in the Senate, and told the New Yorker where she was headed.

At the same time, a group of freshman lawmakers with national security backgrounds started working the phones. They were calling and texting one another over the weekend wanting to make their own statement in support of impeachment proceedings.

By Monday, they reached out to Pelosi and told her, in a 5 p.m. phone call, that their opinion article backing an impeachment inquiry was about to be published in the Washington Post. She was not surprised.

Pelosi had been in New York all day and was attending a dinner as part of the U.N. General Assembly session.

On a 9 p.m. flight back to Washington that night, Pelosi started writing down her thoughts. It was the speech she would deliver to the American public the next day.
 
ABM said:
Sounds to me like the AOC-led "Squad"......

https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...mp-and-impeachment-how-the-speaker-got-to-yes

Pelosi had worked the phones all weekend, talking to Democrats in between delivering remarks at memorial services Saturday for journalist Cokie Roberts in Washington and Sunday for Rep. James E. Clyburn’s wife, Emily, in South Carolina, as news reports unspooled more details of the Ukraine call.


Pelosi started telling some veteran lawmakers who had been withholding their views to go ahead and get out in front of her. She talked with Charles E. Schumer, the Democratic leader in the Senate, and told the New Yorker where she was headed.

At the same time, a group of freshman lawmakers with national security backgrounds started working the phones. They were calling and texting one another over the weekend wanting to make their own statement in support of impeachment proceedings.

By Monday, they reached out to Pelosi and told her, in a 5 p.m. phone call, that their opinion article backing an impeachment inquiry was about to be published in the Washington Post. She was not surprised.

Pelosi had been in New York all day and was attending a dinner as part of the U.N. General Assembly session.

On a 9 p.m. flight back to Washington that night, Pelosi started writing down her thoughts. It was the speech she would deliver to the American public the next day.
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Hopefully they will find a cure for your squaditis. You apparently have a bad case. Good luck. :bgrin:
 
CupWizier said:
Hopefully they will find a cure for your squaditis. You apparently have a bad case. Good luck. :bgrin:
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Glad I can help keep you informed. It's only the nature of this thread, silly one.
 
ABM said:
Glad I can help keep you informed. It's only the nature of this thread, silly one.
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I don't need to be informed about your obsession over 4 freshmen congress reps. It's really of no interest, but it is hilarious how much they have become ingrained in your head. Time for breakfast. :breakfast:
 
CupWizier said:
I don't need to be informed about your obsession over 4 freshmen congress reps. It's really of no interest, but it is hilarious how much they have become ingrained in your head. Time for breakfast. :breakfast:
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Ingrained. Heh. Nah, it's fun responding to likes of you, barfo, Lanny, and the other liberal faithful. Thanks for playing, though. Oh, and I hope you enjoy breakfast. I love pancakes.
 
ABM said:
Glad I can help keep you informed. It's only the nature of this thread, silly one.
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Yes, this thread is a silly one
 
ABM said:
Ingrained. Heh. Nah, it's fun responding to likes of you, barfo, Lanny, and the other liberal faithful. Thanks for playing, though. Oh, and I hope you enjoy breakfast. I love pancakes.
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For some reason I think the Sqaud will be, One and done.
 
ABM said:
Ingrained. Heh. Nah, it's fun responding to likes of you, barfo, Lanny, and the other liberal faithful. Thanks for playing, though. Oh, and I hope you enjoy breakfast. I love pancakes.
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Hey, how did I get in this? Oh, and I don't like pancakes unless they're either Swedish or Apple.
 
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