Are the Thunder a dynasty in the making?

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Are the Thunder a dynasty in the making?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 67.7%

  • No

    Votes: 10 32.3%
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I can easily see them winning this year. And expect to. Also I legitimately thought this was a bump from 15 years ago, on the last iteration of...why bother trying now, OKC has XYZ, and then won nothing.
 
RR7 said:
I can easily see them winning this year. And expect to. Also I legitimately thought this was a bump from 15 years ago, on the last iteration of...why bother trying now, OKC has XYZ, and then won nothing.
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Yeah, regardless of how stacked the Thunder or the Spurs seemingly are, our front office still has to put together the best collection of young talent and draft assets possible. Then once we've seen what they can do, make the necessary adjustments. We can get to a place that is just as good or better than either of these teams... it will take us getting lucky and/or them getting unlucky but that stuff happens all of the time.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, regardless of how stacked the Thunder or the Spurs seemingly are, our front office still has to put together the best collection of young talent and draft assets possible. Then once we've seen what they can do, make the necessary adjustments. We can get to a place that is just as good or better than either of these teams... it will take us getting lucky and/or them getting unlucky but that stuff happens all of the time.
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It be nice to see the Blazers get some good luck.
 
What was the last dynasty? The Warriors? And they had to trade for Durant to keep it going. OKC has the draft capital to trade for a Giannis but I just don't see Presti doing that (although he did trade for Paul George...)

Dynasties are much harder to do these days than back in Jordan's day. We thought the Celtics were going to be a dynasty. Same with the Bucks and the Nuggets.
 
Chris Craig said:
It be nice to see the Blazers get some good luck.
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Every contender needs it. No team hits on every pick. Most contenders have at least one of their top two players who was underrated in the draft process... and then there's health. Yeah, we'll need to be lucky and obviously that hasn't always happened for us.

I will say despite losing Nurk, we got pretty lucky with the health of our opponents last time we made a conference finals run. Right now it's just about positioning ourselves so that some good luck could equal a championship and we're not close but we could be on a solid path.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The Thunder would be in a very different spot if the Clippers hadn't bent over and presented themselves in order to get Paul George.

Now in hindsight, I remember that Leonard wasn't going to sign there if they couldn't get PG so the trade was essentially Leonard and George for SGA and all those picks. But still.... the Thunder got a really good haul for a star that demanded a trade to one team.
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Don't try to suck up to me now Natebishop3! We are STILL ENEMIES!

#PhartBell
 
Natebishop3 said:
They actually did a really good job of rebuilding. Much more patient than the Blazers.

Yes they fell into SGA, but they also dealt their superstar at the best possible time.
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They tanked two years. We’ve been more patient tanking 3 years before making progress this year.
 
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Thunder own #15 + #24 in next month draft. They would have got the 6ers pick at #7 but the 6ers jumped into the top4 so OKC will get it next year instead. Next year they own these picks;

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So thats 16 first round picks they own some or all of or a swap portion with in the next 5 years. Plus two this 2025 draft, plus can trade trade 2031+2032 picks this summer.

So thats 20 first round picks/swaps/etc. Most teams have 7. Some teams have as little as 4.

Oh yeah and they have the best record in the NBA. Plus they have one of the youngest rosters in the NBA.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Then 2029/2030 they own these picks;

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Yeah, maybe not for Giannis but I see a major consolidation trade from them this summer even if it's a bunch of picks to move up and get a guy they like. That's what I think they'll do if they win it all or maybe they trade out of this draft completely and continue to stockpile future first round picks. They might take some of the guys that are rotation players but not starters and combine them with some picks to go out and get an established superstar if they don't win it all this season.

They've given themselves a ton of options.
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I think of the teams that are contenders, they have the best chance to do so. As Sly said, the CBA rules will make it tough but they have the draft capital to make it work. The Spurs will be tough as well.
 
julius said:
Continue to draft well??

They've had 2 picks out of the last 10 that is still on the team and an important part of their roster. Chet and Jalen.
3 if you want to count Wiggins.

So that's 3 picks out of 19 that hit. And of those 3, 2 are legit starters, and one of them was the 2nd pick in the draft and the other was still a lotto pick.

Let's be real, if they hadn't gotten SAG, their draft history wouldn't exactly be bragged about nor be winning them games. Of their last 19 draft picks, 11 were traded, 2 are out of the league and 2 are starters/important players for the Thunder.

2024 NBA 1 12 Nikola Topić (didn't play this year)
2023 NBA 1 12 Dereck Lively (↳DAL) Duke (traded)
2023 NBA 2 37 Hunter Tyson (↳DEN) Clemson (traded)
2023 NBA 2 50 Keyontae Johnson Kansas State
2022 NBA 1 2 Chet Holmgren Gonzaga
2022 NBA 1 12 Jalen Williams Santa Clara
2022 NBA 1 30 Peyton Watson (↳DEN) UCLA (traded)
2022 NBA 2 34 Jaylin Williams Arkansas
2021 NBA 1 6 Josh Giddey (traded/weird pervo)
2021 NBA 1 16 Alperen Şengün (↳HOU))(traded)
2021 NBA 1 18 Tre Mann Florida (traded)
2021 NBA 2 34 Rokas Jokubaitis (↳NYK) (traded)
2021 NBA 2 36 Miles McBride (↳NYK) West Virginia (traded)
2021 NBA 2 55 Aaron Wiggins Maryland
2020 NBA 1 25 Immanuel Quickley (↳NYK) Kentucky (traded)
2020 NBA 2 53 Cassius Winston (↳WAS) Michigan State(traded)
2018 NBA 2 53 Devon Hall Virginia (out of the league)
2018 NBA 2 57 Kevin Hervey UT Arlington (out of the league)
2015 NBA 1 14 Cameron Payne Murray State (traded)
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I approve of Josh giddeys words that are in parentheses. Fucking creep.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
I think of the teams that are contenders, they have the best chance to do so. As Sly said, the CBA rules will make it tough but they have the draft capital to make it work. The Spurs will be tough as well.
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The CBA is doing two things that are good for the league. Making it hard for teams to stockpile talent/build dynasties, and help facilitate parity.

The problem is, it will lead to a lot of players getting much smaller contracts than they think they are entitled too, which will make the players upset. But I think the latest CBA goes for a while (I believe it has an opt out after 29, and it ends organically in 2030).



And I really hate to realize that 2030 is only 5 years away.
 
julius said:
And you take away SGA, and their roster wasn't built by great drafting.

That's my point. People are overreacting to their draft prowess...
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I'm not sure calculating the used value of draft assets is as linear as you're making it out to be.

take SGA for instance. OKC got him for PG13; but they landed PG13 by trading Sabonis and Oladipo. How did they get Sabonis and Oladipo? By trading Serge Ibaka, a player they drafted for Oladipo and the pick they used on Sabonis. So, a player they drafted (Ibaka) gave them enough trade leverage to gain Oladipo and Sabonis. Who they then traded for PG13; who they then traded for SGA. It all started from drafting Ibaka and parlaying his value into Oladipo and Sabonis-->PG13--> SGA + Jalen Williams + 15th pick in 2025 draft + (moving from #30 to #24 in the 2025 draft + Clippers unprotected pick in 2026)

Presti has shown he's a master at parlaying value forward

as far as swing and misses like Tre Mann...every team misses. The key is to maximize your number of swings
 
julius said:
The problem is, it will lead to a lot of players getting much smaller contracts than they think they are entitled too, which will make the players upset. But I think the latest CBA goes for a while (I believe it has an opt out after 29, and it ends organically in 2030).
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People say that but then look at the salaries handed out months ago; LaMelo Ball is making $260 million, Franz Wagner $224 million. Some guy named Zeke Nnaji signed for $32 million after averaging 3ppg in his 4th season. Bobby Marks was just saying he expected Christina Braun to sign an extension for over $30 million per season ($150 million)

The cap is maxing out at 10% raises every year. Teams don't hoard cap space any more for free agents as players all sign extensions to lock up their money like Dame+Butler, then demand out later.

Players are always guaranteed 50% of revenues, and there are always far fewer starting quality players than starting spots. So seems to me we'll always see a bunch of overpaid players.

I certainly think the 2nd apron is having an impact as the old strategy of 3 supermax guys such as LeBron/Wade/Bosh just doesn't seem like it will work any longer. See Phoenix, Clippers, Bucks, 6ers, etc. Also does seem like the quality of backups is way better than a decade ago so you can't just have a bunch of scrubs with 3 stars or most the NBA teams are deeper and will mop them off the floor (ie Phoenix)
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not sure calculating the used value of draft assets is as linear as you're making it out to be.

take SGA for instance. OKC got him for PG13; but they landed PG13 by trading Sabonis and Oladipo. How did they get Sabonis and Oladipo? By trading Serge Ibaka, a player they drafted for Oladipo and the pick they used on Sabonis. So, a player they drafted (Ibaka) gave them enough trade leverage to gain Oladipo and Sabonis. Who they then traded for PG13; who they then traded for SGA. It all started from drafting Ibaka and parlaying his value into Oladipo and Sabonis-->PG13--> SGA + Jalen Williams + 15th pick in 2025 draft + (moving from #30 to #24 in the 2025 draft + Clippers unprotected pick in 2026)

Presti has shown he's a master at parlaying value forward

as far as swing and misses like Tre Mann...every team misses. The key is to maximize your number of swings
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Yeah I think instead of draft prowess I could have said upside talent evaluation. Luo Dort was a great pickup for OKC even though they signed him hours after the draft so he wasn't technically a "draft pick". Also some of the guys they picked up from other teams after a season that have become better for their franchise. I mean Presti has missed of course, the Harden trade probably his biggest error, but overall he's been one of the best in the NBA at building value on the roster as well as adding draft picks. They kind of amazingly have done it with very few losing seasons - a bit like Danny Ainge in Boston.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They actually did a really good job of rebuilding. Much more patient than the Blazers.

Yes they fell into SGA, but they also dealt their superstar at the best possible time.
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Durant, who walked as a free agent? Harden, who before he got to be a star, they traded for Mitch McGary, Steven Adams and Kevin Martin? Or The deal they were gifted where LAC needed to get PG to sign Kawhi?
 
julius said:
Continue to draft well??

They've had 2 picks out of the last 10 that is still on the team and an important part of their roster. Chet and Jalen.
3 if you want to count Wiggins.

So that's 3 picks out of 19 that hit. And of those 3, 2 are legit starters, and one of them was the 2nd pick in the draft and the other was still a lotto pick.

Let's be real, if they hadn't gotten SAG, their draft history wouldn't exactly be bragged about nor be winning them games. Of their last 19 draft picks, 11 were traded, 2 are out of the league and 2 are starters/important players for the Thunder.

2024 NBA 1 12 Nikola Topić (didn't play this year)
2023 NBA 1 12 Dereck Lively (↳DAL) Duke (traded)
2023 NBA 2 37 Hunter Tyson (↳DEN) Clemson (traded)
2023 NBA 2 50 Keyontae Johnson Kansas State
2022 NBA 1 2 Chet Holmgren Gonzaga
2022 NBA 1 12 Jalen Williams Santa Clara
2022 NBA 1 30 Peyton Watson (↳DEN) UCLA (traded)
2022 NBA 2 34 Jaylin Williams Arkansas
2021 NBA 1 6 Josh Giddey (traded/weird pervo)
2021 NBA 1 16 Alperen Şengün (↳HOU))(traded)
2021 NBA 1 18 Tre Mann Florida (traded)
2021 NBA 2 34 Rokas Jokubaitis (↳NYK) (traded)
2021 NBA 2 36 Miles McBride (↳NYK) West Virginia (traded)
2021 NBA 2 55 Aaron Wiggins Maryland
2020 NBA 1 25 Immanuel Quickley (↳NYK) Kentucky (traded)
2020 NBA 2 53 Cassius Winston (↳WAS) Michigan State(traded)
2018 NBA 2 53 Devon Hall Virginia (out of the league)
2018 NBA 2 57 Kevin Hervey UT Arlington (out of the league)
2015 NBA 1 14 Cameron Payne Murray State (traded)
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Bro you seem to just leave out what they got from those trades. Also Giddey was just a young kid. If your going to hold that against him you might as well just have an issue with a bunch of players.
 
RR7 said:
Durant, who walked as a free agent? Harden, who before he got to be a star, they traded for Mitch McGary, Steven Adams and Kevin Martin? Or The deal they were gifted where LAC needed to get PG to sign Kawhi?
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Been a few hall of famers in okc.
 
julius said:
And you take away SGA, and their roster wasn't built by great drafting.

That's my point. People are overreacting to their draft prowess...
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But all I said is "If they continue to draft well and are willing to pay their players".
They have made some good decisions on draft day and with the players they have drafted and also have quite a bit of draft capability in their future.
 
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