Are we a Super Team?

[KingSpeed]

Millsap missed half of the year last year, and IT doesn't fix their problems, he just make a their strengths stronger. Plus, were talking about the future in terms of longevity and potential.. I didn't really see you address those.

IT doesn't make anything stronger. He's a little person whose best days are behind him. He singlehandedly got half of Cleveland's roster traded because of what a cancer he was in the locker room. And Nuggets weren't all that impress when Millsap played. I don't see them making playoffs next year and this time, it won't be close. Lakers, Grizzlies, Mavs and maybe even the Suns will pass them in the standings.

 

[Strenuus]

Someone who gets it. Can't take anyone seriously when they say Denver has a more promising future than ours. Jesus.

This is rich, all thing considered.

 

[stampedehero]

Let's say Nurkic was 2017/Portland Nurk Fever for Denver (and Jokic never existed). And let's say CJ played for Orlando and was an All Star. And let's say Dame was All NBA First Team. Now let's say both CJ and Nurkic decided to come to Blazers as free agents this year. Would that make us a Super Team?

No team, even a "super team"can accomplish success unless the other players contribute, a good coaching staff knows what to do in the last quarter and the GM acquiring contributing players. Iguadala proved this when he left Philly and played for GS.

 

[BonesJones]

IT doesn't make anything stronger. He's a little person whose best days are behind him. He singlehandedly got half of Cleveland's roster traded because of what a cancer he was in the locker room. And Nuggets weren't all that impress when Millsap played. I don't see them making playoffs next year and this time, it won't be close. Lakers, Grizzlies, Mavs and maybe even the Suns will pass them in the standings.

Their PGs last year were Emmanuel Mudiay and Devin Harris.

How did he get half of Cleveland's roster traded when he barely played before the trade deasline, and the team sucked before that?

Quit acting delusional and reaching for a narrative you want.

We're not a "superteam".

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

IT doesn't make anything stronger. He's a little person whose best days are behind him. He singlehandedly got half of Cleveland's roster traded because of what a cancer he was in the locker room. And Nuggets weren't all that impress when Millsap played. I don't see them making playoffs next year and this time, it won't be close. Lakers, Grizzlies, Mavs and maybe even the Suns will pass them in the standings.

Sorry but I don’t buy this at all... If IT came here as our 1st option off the bench we would be ecstatic and talking about how if he’s anything near Boston version of IT our bench got so much better..
Is Denver going to make the playoffs? I don’t know but they aren’t that far off, their in the same general group the Blazers are in. I think Personall the a Blazers are in a better place because of Dame but that’s about it.

 

[KingSpeed]

Their PGs last year were Emmanuel Mudiay and Devin Harris.

How did he get half of Cleveland's roster traded when he barely played before the trade deasline, and the team sucked before that?

Quit acting delusional and reaching for a narrative you want.

We're not a "superteam".

Their PG was Jamal Murray.

 

[KingSpeed]

And Isaiah Thomas was a huge cancer. He blew up the whole locker room. Don't you remember Love mocking him DURING A GAME. They hated him especially BECAUSE he had barely played. And the team did not suck before then. They actually went on like a 18-3 run at one point early in the season. Thomas showed up and blew up the locker room.

 

[KingSpeed]

actually it was an 18-1 run

Cavs were 5-7 and then they were 23-8. Not exactly sucking as you put it.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I'm so embarrassed that this thread has remained on the top of the forum feed for this long. I won't even read it.

 

[kjironman1]

It was never in doubt that we were making playoff last year. We went 0-4 on a road trip and lost to Memphis and Dallas and STILL got 3 seed.

I know this isn't a popular way to think around here but i have thought many many times the Blazers would have performed much much better if they would have taken both the Dallas and Memphis games and had a weeks worth of real rest before the Playoffs. To me stretching the season out at the end like that killed their spirit and they looked tired at the end of the first game.

 

[KingSpeed]

I know this isn't a popular way to think around here but i have thought many many times the Blazers would have performed much much better if they would have taken both the Dallas and Memphis games and had a weeks worth of real rest before the Playoffs. To me stretching the season out at the end like that killed their spirit and they looked tired at the end of the first game.

That, Harkless' injury, and Dame's girlfriend going into labor. Killed our season. We were on such a roll. Dame had just dropped 40+ on the Pelicans.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Millsap missed half of the year last year, and IT doesn't fix their problems, he just make a their strengths stronger. Plus, were talking about the future in terms of longevity and potential.. I didn't really see you address those.

I mentioned Millsap, but even half a season of him wasn't enough to pull them up above 25th in defense. And, he's now another year older and in decline.

In the 20 games Nurk played in February and March of 2017, he pulled POR's defense up from 28th to 24th. That may not seem like much, but he had that much of an impact in just 1/4 of a season, and of course, last season he was the anchor of a defense that was 8th best in the league.

They have put most of their eggs in the Jokic basket, and as talented as he is offensively, he is not a leader and very soft defensively. He also regressed last year. He's a unique talent, but I think the league is adjusting to his game.

Here's DEN's DRtg over the past 5 seasons:

25th
29th
24th
26th
21st

I'm not sure how much of that is coaching and how much is personnel, but neither DEN's coach (Mike Malone) nor their GM (Tim Connelly) has ever had a defense that ranked better than 21st in the league.

Prior to last season, Stotts got a lot of shot around here for being a poor defensive coach, but when he's had the personnel, his teams have been in the top 12 in defense (8th last season, 10th in 2014-15 and 12th in 2013-14).

I just don't see DEN making any kind of a leap until they can figure out how to at least crack the top half of the league in defense. I don't see anyone on their roster who can have the same level of impact Nurk has had for the Blazers. Ironic, since they are the ones that gave him to us.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

I mentioned Millsap, but even half a season of him wasn't enough to pull them up above 25th in defense. And, he's now another year older and in decline.

In the 20 games Nurk played in February and March of 2017, he pulled POR's defense up from 28th to 24th. That may not seem like much, but he had that much of an impact in just 1/4 of a season, and of course, last season he was the anchor of a defense that was 8th best in the league.

They have put most of their eggs in the Jokic basket, and as talented as he is offensively, he is not a leader and very soft defensively. He also regressed last year. He's a unique talent, but I think the league is adjusting to his game.

Here's DEN's DRtg over the past 5 seasons:

25th
29th
24th
26th
21st

I'm not sure how much of that is coaching and how much is personnel, but neither DEN's coach (Mike Malone) nor their GM (Tim Connelly) has ever had a defense that ranked better than 21st in the league.

Prior to last season, Stotts got a lot of shot around here for being a poor defensive coach, but when he's had the personnel, his teams have been in the top 12 in defense (8th last season, 10th in 2014-15 and 12th in 2013-14).

I just don't see DEN making any kind of a leap until they can figure out how to at least crack the top half of the league in defense. I don't see anyone on their roster who can have the same level of impact Nurk has had for the Blazers. Ironic, since they are the ones that gave him to us.

BNM

Their defense is bad, our defense is good. You're pulling stats for a narrative that I'm not arguing against... I'm using the fact of where they finished in relativity to us, which was very close.

Are you arguing that more Millsap and IT won't help them at all? Or are you arguing that their youth is overhyped and therefore, they don't have a brighter future?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Their defense is bad, our defense is good. You're pulling stats for a narrative that I'm not arguing against... I'm using the fact of where they finished in relativity to us, which was very close.

Are you arguing that more Millsap and IT won't help them at all? Or are you arguing that their youth is overhyped and therefore, they don't have a brighter future?

Both.

Millsap is another year older and past his prime. IT was a complete shit show in both CLE and LAL last year. He makes their shitty defense even worse.

If you include Jokic yes, I think their youth is over hyped. I think Jokic is overrated because he only plays on one side of the ball and the league has started to figure him out.

My "narrative" is none of their youth have the potential to become the type of defensive stud that will turn them from a shitty defense into an above average one. Adding more scorers won't help them. There is only one basketball and only five players on the court at a time. Adding more scorers (either IT or rookies) is redundant. It doesn't address any of their problems. They already score plenty.

Summary: I don't see a bright future for a team that sucks at defense and hasn't addressed that issue.

BNM

 

[MARIS61]

We're at least 2 AllStars away from being a title contender.

Probably 3.

 

[BonesJones]

Both.

Millsap is another year older and past his prime. IT was a complete shit show in both CLE and LAL last year. He makes their shitty defense even worse.

If you include Jokic yes, I think their youth is over hyped. I think Jokic is overrated because he only plays on one side of the ball and the league has started to figure him out.

My "narrative" is none of their youth have the potential to become the type of defensive stud that will turn them from a shitty defense into an above average one. Adding more scorers won't help them. There is only one basketball and only five players on the court at a time. Adding more scorers (either IT or rookies) is redundant. It doesn't address any of their problems. They already score plenty.

Summary: I don't see a bright future for a team that sucks at defense and hasn't addressed that issue.

BNM

So you think IT is an upgrade over Devin Harris? Over Emmanuel Mudiay? Those guys suck on both sides of the court. ITs an upgrade pin that end and no worse defensively. Last year is a likely aberration. Classic case of "What have you done for us lately".

You forget that they're already on our heels with a defender that can only get better. If their defense goes from "horrible" to "bad", then they reach our level. Their offense will continue to get better and better as well, and that alone could lead to them surpassing us. They'll have more longevity as well, which gets them the time to fix their issues. Plus, in the best-case scenario, they'll have 3 stars in Murray, MPJ, and Jokic, as well as other role players other teams actually want. Us? We have one star, one borderline star, and no players with legitimate star potential.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So you think IT is an upgrade over Devin Harris? Over Emmanuel Mudiay? Those guys suck on both sides of the court. ITs an upgrade pin that end and no worse defensively. Last year is a likely aberration. Classic case of "What have you done for us lately".

You forget that they're already on our heels with a defender that can only get better. If their defense goes from "horrible" to "bad", then they reach our level. Their offense will continue to get better and better as well, and that alone could lead to them surpassing us. They'll have more longevity as well, which gets them the time to fix their issues. Plus, in the best-case scenario, they'll have 3 stars in Murray, MPJ, and Jokic, as well as other role players other teams actually want. Us? We have one star, one borderline star, and no players with legitimate star potential.

I would be scared to keep mentioning MPJ - I can say from experience (Thanks guy who hit me with a Ford Truck) that Back issues freaking suck... Of he’s had 2 back surgeries I’d be nervous about him if I were Denver.

 

[BonesJones]

I would be scared to keep mentioning MPJ - I can say from experience (Thanks guy who hit me with a Ford Truck) that Back issues freaking suck... Of he’s had 2 back surgeries I’d be nervous about him if I were Denver.

No nerves, they got him at 14. Low risk, high reward. Not saying he ends up great, but he has a ton of potential.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No nerves, they got him at 14. Low risk, high reward. Not saying he ends up great, but he has a ton of potential.

I agree, but I keep seeing his name brought up and I keep thinking there is a big chance he can’t keep healthy enough to ever really fulfill the potential.
I think Denver is going to be a fun team to watch, now how many wins it gets them... I don’t know.

 

[TBpup]

Which one of you toolbags said I post exactly like this clown?

Whomever said that was dead wrong. @HCP is his own clown.

 

[Natebishop3]

The number of people getting trolled by Kingspeed in this thread are too damn high!

 

[Boob-No-More]

So you think IT is an upgrade over Devin Harris? Over Emmanuel Mudiay? Those guys suck on both sides of the court. ITs an upgrade pin that end and no worse defensively. Last year is a likely aberration. Classic case of "What have you done for us lately".

Actually, he is worse than those guys defensively. At his best, in BOS in a great system surrounded by All Defensive 1st and 2nd teamers, he was as bad defensively as Harris and Mudiay were in a shitty defense in DEN. Post injury, without the benefit of one of the top defensive coaches and systems in the league, he's worse than they are.

Of course, its a case of "What have you done for us lately". The most recent data is the most relevant. Until he proves he's recovered from his injury and is anywhere close too the same player he was pre-injury, in Boston's system, he's not.

There are 30 GMs in the NBA and not one of them thought he was worth more than a 1-year minimum salary contract. Those GMs have seen him play pre and post injury. Pre-injury there was talk of him as an MVP candidate and a max contract player. If one of those 30 GMs thought there was a chance he could come anywhere close to his pre-injury level of play, he would have gotten a lot more than a $2 million for 1 year.

You forget that they're already on our heels with a defender that can only get better. If their defense goes from "horrible" to "bad", then they reach our level. Their offense will continue to get better and better as well, and that alone could lead to them surpassing us. They'll have more longevity as well, which gets them the time to fix their issues. Plus, in the best-case scenario, they'll have 3 stars in Murray, MPJ, and Jokic, as well as other role players other teams actually want. Us? We have one star, one borderline star, and no players with legitimate star potential.

So, their young players can only get better and ours can't? There is no guarantee that Jokic will ever be any better on defense. He's not going to suddenly gain lateral quickness. He's not going to suddenly become a high flying rim protector. If he had the potential to be either of those things, we would have at least seen flashes of it by now. We have two rim protectors in Nurk and Collins. Nurk is the same age as Jokic and Collins 3 years younger.

So, best case scenario for them (a 1-dimensional chucker, and unproven, injury prone rookie and one proven player who only excels on one side of the court) vs. worst case scenario for us (one 1st team All NBA player, a second proven 20+ ppg player, and none of Nurk, Collins, Simons or Trent Jr. have the potential to become better than Murray or Porter). I know you're trying to refute @KingSpeed's silly super team narrative, but you've gone WAY overboard in the opposite direction.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

Actually, he is worse than those guys defensively. At his best, in BOS in a great system surrounded by All Defensive 1st and 2nd teamers, he was as bad defensively as Harris and Mudiay were in a shitty defense in DEN. Post injury, without the benefit of one of the top defensive coaches and systems in the league, he's worse than they are.

Of course, its a case of "What have you done for us lately". The most recent date is the most relevant. Until he proves he's recovered from his injury and is anywhere close too the same player he was pre-injury, in Boston's system, he's not.

There are 30 GMs in the NBA and not one of them thought he was worth more than a 1-year minimum salary contract. Those GMs have seen him play pre and post injury. Pre-injury there was talk of him as an MVP candidate and a max contract player. If one of those 30 GMs thought there was a chance he could come anywhere close to his pre-injury level of play, he would have gotten a lot more than a $2 million for 1 year.



So, their young players can only get better and ours can't? There is no guarantee that Jokic will ever be any better on defense. He's not going to suddenly gain lateral quickness. He's not going to suddenly become a high flying rim protector. If he had the potential to be either of those things, we would have at least seen flashes of it by now. We have two rim protectors in Nurk and Collins. Nurk is the same age as Jokic and Collins 3 years younger.

So, best case scenario for them (a 1-dimensional chucker, and unproven, injury prone rookie and one proven player who only excels on one side of the court) vs. worst case scenario for us (one 1st team All NBA player, a second proven 20+ ppg player, and none of Nurk, Collins, Simons or Trent Jr. have the potential to become better than Murray or Porter). I know you're trying to refute @KingSpeed's silly super team narrative, but you've gone WAY overboard in the opposite direction.

BNM

His offensive ability will outweigh the slight difference in defensive liability. It's not that 30 GMs didn't think he was worth more than a minimum contract, its that the market was crappy this year with only a few teams having money to spend, and PG is the most stacked position in the league.

It's funny how, when chasing the narrative of Portland staying ahead of other Western teams, we get stuff like Isaiah Thomas not being an upgrade over Devin Harris.

When I'm referencing their young talent and potential, I'm mostly thinking of Murray, MPJ, and Lyles. Those three have more unfulfilled potential than any of our players outside of Collins and Simons, and they're all more likely to be legit NBA players than Simons. Plus, our stars are in their prime. Their stars (Jokic + Murray) aren't there yet.

What the hell are you talking about with next case/worst case? They're on even ground with us already (4 wins with worse injury luck). They only need very slight improvement to overtake us. Even if they don't overtake us for a couple years, they still could have a brighter future (which is what this argument is based on), simply due to the fact that their current core will still be playing at a very high level once LeBron retires and the Warriors dissipate.

 

[Boob-No-More]

His offensive ability will outweigh the slight difference in defensive liability. It's not that 30 GMs didn't think he was worth more than a minimum contract, its that the market was crappy this year with only a few teams having money to spend, and PG is the most stacked position in the league.

It's funny how, when chasing the narrative of Portland staying ahead of other Western teams, we get stuff like Isaiah Thomas not being an upgrade over Devin Harris.

When I'm referencing their young talent and potential, I'm mostly thinking of Murray, MPJ, and Lyles. Those three have more unfulfilled potential than any of our players outside of Collins and Simons, and they're all more likely to be legit NBA players than Simons. Plus, our stars are in their prime. Their stars (Jokic + Murray) aren't there yet.

What the hell are you talking about with next case/worst case? They're on even ground with us already (4 wins with worse injury luck). They only need very slight improvement to overtake us. Even if they don't overtake us for a couple years, they still could have a brighter future (which is what this argument is based on), simply due to the fact that their current core will still be playing at a very high level once LeBron retires and the Warriors dissipate.

Jamal Murray is not a star.

Porter and Simons are both lottery level talent with question marks. The questions concerning Simons going into the draft were lack of experience against good competition and the fact that he's skinny. Both of those are easily overcome (Porter has exactly 53 more minutes of college experience than Porter). I know it was summer league, but in his first competition against lottery picks and older players he wasn't overwhelmed either physically or mentally. He held his own. The reason Porter slipped was his injury history. To me, that's a much bigger red flag, especially the nature of his injuries. He has had multiple back and hip injuries. He was walking with a visible limp at his introductory press conference, sat out the summer league and DEN has said they may have him sit out the entire 2018-19 season. Injuries may prevent him from ever living up to his potential. He wouldn't be the first.

Trey Lyles is a decent big off the bench. He can shoot the 3, but he's yet another negative defender. He's going into his fourth season on his second team and has yet to break out. He has shown incremental improvement on offense (his shooting has become more consistent) . He could eventually become a solid, average starter, but I don't see any star potential there. Zach Collins has way more unfulfilled potential. Lyles is 2 years older and while he will likely get incrementally better, I have seen nothing to indicate he's a future star. Collins is all about potential. His rookie year he was physically over matched, but still showed flashes, especially on the defensive end. He has the potential to be above average on both ends of the court. Lyles could be a decent stretch 4 on offense, while getting abused on the other end of the floor. Lyles has nearly 4000 minutes of NBA experience under his belt, but has yet to show that he'll ever be anything more that a solid, average starter. A potential good player? Sure. A star? Highly unlikely.

You, yourself said the best case for the Nuggets was "Plus, in the best-case scenario, they'll have 3 stars in Murray, MPJ, and Jokic". Yet, you completely dismissed our young players. Nurk still has more potential to become a star than anyone one on the Nuggets outside of Jokic (same age). Collins has more untapped potential than Lyles, or any other young DEN big man. I put Simons and Porter at the same level of potential, for different reasons (see above). I'm not sure Trent Jr. has any kind of star potential, but I see a solid role player in the near future and a solid starter eventually.

Yes, our two best players are 28 and almost 27. Both still have several years left before they decline significantly. Damian Lillard has improved every single year he's been in the league. Last year was the first time C.J. did not improve, but that was following two years of astronomical improvement. Neither of these guys are anywhere close to declining. And when they do start to decline, Nurk, Collins, Simons and Trent Jr. will all be entering their primes. We will have a great mix of proven, quality veterans and players in their primes. Who will DEN's veteran leaders be when their young players are entering their prime? No one on their current roster. Millsap and IT will be long gone (it's not like IT is a leader anyway). They may be able to pick up a savvy vet or two, but they won't be getting anyone close to Damian Lillard. DEN isn't GSW, or even HOU. They are no more an attractive free agent destination than Portland.

P.S. I specifically left Wade Baldwin out of the discussion, mostly because he's stuck behind Lillard and McCollum in the rotation, but he's another young Portland player who has the potential to be better than average on both sides of the ball.

BNM

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BonesJones]

Jamal Murray is not a star.

Porter and Simons are both lottery level talent with question marks. The questions concerning Simons going into the draft were lack of experience against good competition and the fact that he's skinny. Both of those are easily overcome (Porter has exactly 53 more minutes of college experience than Porter). I know it was summer league, but in his first competition against lottery picks and older players he wasn't overwhelmed either physically or mentally. He held his own. The reason Porter slipped was his injury history. To me, that's a much bigger red flag, especially the nature of his injuries. He has had multiple back and hip injuries. He was walking with a visible limp at his introductory press conference, sat out the summer league and DEN has said they may have him sit out the entire 2018-19 season. Injuries may prevent him from ever living up to his potential. He wouldn't be the first.

Trey Lyles is a decent big off the bench. He can shoot the 3, but he's yet another negative defender. He's going into his fourth season on his second team and has yet to break out. He has shown incremental improvement on offense (his shooting has become more consistent) . He could eventually become a solid, average starter, but I don't see any star potential there. Zach Collins has way more unfulfilled potential. Lyles is 2 years older and while he will likely get incrementally better, I have seen nothing to indicate he's a future star. Collins is all about potential. His rookie year he was physically over matched, but still showed flashes, especially on the defensive end. He has the potential to be above average on both ends of the court. Lyles could be a decent stretch 4 on offense, while getting abused on the other end of the floor. Lyles has nearly 4000 minutes of NBA experience under his belt, but has yet to show that he'll ever be anything more that a solid, average starter. A potential good player? Sure. A star? Highly unlikely.

You, yourself said the best case for the Nuggets was "Plus, in the best-case scenario, they'll have 3 stars in Murray, MPJ, and Jokic". Yet, you completely dismissed our young players. Nurk still has more potential to become a star than anyone one on the Nuggets outside of Jokic (same age). Collins has more untapped potential than Lyles, or any other young DEN big man. I put Simons and Porter at the same level of potential, for different reasons (see above). I'm not sure Trent Jr. has any kind of star potential, but I see a solid role player in the near future and a solid starter eventually.

Yes, our two best players are 28 and almost 27. Both still have several years left before they decline significantly. Damian Lillard has improved every single year he's been in the league. Last year was the first time C.J. did not improve, but that was following two years of astronomical improvement. Neither of these guys are anywhere close to declining. And when they do start to decline, Nurk, Collins, Simons and Trent Jr. will all be entering their primes. We will have a great mix of proven, quality veterans and players in their primes. Who will DEN's veteran leaders be when their young players are entering their prime? No one on their current roster. Millsap and IT will be long gone (it's not like IT is a leader anyway). They may be able to pick up a savvy vet or two, but they won't be getting anyone close to Damian Lillard. DEN isn't GSW, or even HOU. They are no more an attractive free agent destination than Portland.

P.S. I specifically left Wade Baldwin out of the discussion, mostly because he's stuck behind Lillard and McCollum in the rotation, but he's another young Portland player who has the potential to be better than average on both sides of the ball.

BNM

Jamal Murray is at least as good at the age of 20 as Lillard was hos rookie year. Same scoring clip yet Murrays more efficient. Dame distributed a little more. To say he doesn't have all-star potential is ridiculous.

Sure, Collins may be better than Lyles. However, Lyles currently is a more productive player.

You underrated MPJ. He's a 6'10 SG, essentially, and the perfect PF for the modern NBA. To suggest Simons is equal as a prospect, even with MPJs back problems, is biased. Simons will be fine, MPJ is more boom/bust.

If we're gonna talk about Baldwin, we need to talk about Juan Hernangomez, Malik Beasley, etc.

You say too much to even break down your argument, and you abstractly address the points I make. It's simple: Two teams that are essentially even (taking out a difference in injuries) with one team having a core of 27, 28, amd 23 year olds with other young projects with another having a core of 21 (Murray) and two 23 (Harris and Jokic) year olds, with the prospect with the most top end potential MPJ, as well as other young projects. They have the brighter future.

 

[KingSpeed]

Jamal Murray is at least as good at the age of 20 as Lillard was hos rookie year. Same scoring clip yet Murrays more efficient. Dame distributed a little more. To say he doesn't have all-star potential is ridiculous.

Sure, Collins may be better than Lyles. However, Lyles currently is a more productive player.

You underrated MPJ. He's a 6'10 SG, essentially, and the perfect PF for the modern NBA. To suggest Simons is equal as a prospect, even with MPJs back problems, is biased. Simons will be fine, MPJ is more boom/bust.

If we're gonna talk about Baldwin, we need to talk about Juan Hernangomez, Malik Beasley, etc.

You say too much to even break down your argument, and you abstractly address the points I make. It's simple: Two teams that are essentially even (taking out a difference in injuries) with one team having a core of 27, 28, amd 23 year olds with other young projects with another having a core of 21 (Murray) and two 23 (Harris and Jokic) year olds, with the prospect with the most top end potential MPJ, as well as other young projects. They have the brighter future.

Who of these people will he beat out for the All Star game?

Damian Lillard
Steph Curry
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Donovan Mitchell

Not to mention Chris Paul, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Mike Conley, and even Jrue Holiday? (Look out for Lonzo Ball too because he's in LA and LeBron made Mo Williams into an All Star in Cleveland)

Jamal Murray will never be an All Star unless Denver gets a top 2 seed and that won't happen.

 

[Orion Bailey]

King?

Final answer.

No we are not a super team.

But you are a super fan.

 

[BonesJones]

Who of these people will he beat out for the All Star game?

Damian Lillard
Steph Curry
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Donovan Mitchell

Not to mention Chris Paul, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Mike Conley, and even Jrue Holiday? (Look out for Lonzo Ball too because he's in LA and LeBron made Mo Williams into an All Star in Cleveland)

Jamal Murray will never be an All Star unless Denver gets a top 2 seed and that won't happen.

Dude, screw all-star selections. As a Dame fan, you should have that mindset as well....

I told you a couple of days ago, I talk in terms of "all-star level of play" not "all-star selections". I'm talking about his all-star level of play potential down the road, not him making the goddamn game next year.

 

[BonesJones]

King?

Final answer.

No we are not a super team.

But you are a stupor fan.

FTFY - Get it? Cuz King's drunk?