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Another exercise in futility on the national level but the true essence of voting privilege is on local and State elections.
 
Mediocre Man said:
1 person chose ineligible to vote.

Glad to see The HCP contributing to the OT forum.

I voted for left wing wack job, Beto over right wing devil, Ted
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Yessss!!! Thank you!!! I want Lyin' Ted to get ousted.
 
Go Knute!
We need someone to mediate and conciliate as Brown doesnt know how.
My wife is a tier1 teacher retiree and believes the that PERS is a run way train that needs fixed and Brown the last one that will try.
Me, I love Pers check each month but think Mike Belotties is a little high. Knute will change that.
 
Hoopguru said:
Go Knute!
We need someone to mediate and conciliate as Brown doesnt know how.
My wife is a tier1 teacher retiree and believes the that PERS is a run way train that needs fixed and Brown the last one that will try.
Me, I love Pers check each month but think Mike Belotties is a little high. Knute will change that.
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There is nothing that can be done with the current high PERS payouts. And the amount future high earners will collect has already been capped out and fixed.
 
Hoopguru said:
Go Knute!
We need someone to mediate and conciliate as Brown doesnt know how.
My wife is a tier1 teacher retiree and believes the that PERS is a run way train that needs fixed and Brown the last one that will try.
Me, I love Pers check each month but think Mike Belotties is a little high. Knute will change that.
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Part of the attraction of getting qualified people to apply for low paying government jobs is the PERS along with increased job security. The total cost is still less than hiring people at a pay rate competitive with private sector equivalent jobs.
 
Lanny said:
Part of the attraction of getting qualified people to apply for low paying government jobs is the PERS along with increased job security. The total cost is still less than hiring people at a pay rate competitive with private sector equivalent jobs.
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I'm not opposed to reticent plans at all, in fact I have a company paid one from the mid western company I worked with for years.
I just think Pers could still be reformed some especially at the high end. I would think liberals would like to see the rich cover more off their retirement cost?
 
Just a few monthly payments paid out.
PERS beneficiaries

Name Monthly benefit Retirement plan
ROBERTSON, JOSEPH E $76,111 Tier One
DELASHAW, JOHNNY B $57,079 Tier One
BELLOTTI, ROBERT M $46,557 Tier One
SWANSON, NEIL $41,974 Tier One
21 more rows

It should and could be capped. Thats the fiscal conservative in me.
 
Hoopguru said:
Just a few monthly payments paid out.
PERS beneficiaries

Name Monthly benefit Retirement plan
ROBERTSON, JOSEPH E $76,111 Tier One
DELASHAW, JOHNNY B $57,079 Tier One
BELLOTTI, ROBERT M $46,557 Tier One
SWANSON, NEIL $41,974 Tier One
21 more rows

It should and could be capped. Thats the fiscal conservative in me.
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Those can not be capped. It's too late. They would sue and win. Current high earners have been capped so that can not happen in the future.
 
Hoopguru said:
I'm not opposed to reticent plans at all, in fact I have a company paid one from the mid western company I worked with for years.
I just think Pers could still be reformed some especially at the high end. I would think liberals would like to see the rich cover more off their retirement cost?
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Why would anyone want to spend more than is reasonably necessary? It doesn't make any logical sense.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Those can not be capped. It's too late. They would sue and win. Current high earners have been capped so that can not happen in the future.
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I know. We just got a letter from Pers saying they will be paying us some back retroactive in pay, because of the law suit. A few years worth.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Those can not be capped. It's too late. They would sue and win. Current high earners have been capped so that can not happen in the future.
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yep..and Browns answer is for school & tax payers to contribute more to keep it afloat.
 
Hoopguru said:
yep..and Browns answer is for school & tax payers to contribute more to keep it afloat.
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So you don't think we should keep your wife's pension afloat?

Personally I think we should raise the tax on wine, beer, hard liquor, and cigarettes to the same 25% tax rate as marijuana. I believe all "sins" should be taxed equally.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
So you don't think we should keep your wife's pension afloat?

Personally I think we should raise the tax on wine, beer, hard liquor, and cigarettes to the same 25% tax rate as marijuana. I believe all "sins" should be taxed equally.
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hell yes I do. lol
Even after 40 years of teaching her pension is a small fraction of some, that were on the job a short time.
Its a shame that school and district are really hurting because they have to pay more for pers, t o carry the small percentage the fat cats, at the top. But I guess since its Government Union Pension it s ok, but god forbid a small business trying to prosper and pay less taxes.
 
Hoopguru said:
Even after 40 years of teaching her pension is a small fraction of some, that were on the job a short time.
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PERS payout is based on what was paid in. Complaining that her payout isn't the same as Belloti's is a bit odd.

It's the state legislators that kept kicking the PERS can down the road.

It's gotten to the point to where we have to make some very tough decisions.

Are we going to continue to pay police, fire, judges and elected officials a much higher PERS rate than we do other public employees and teachers?

Are we going to fund PERS to meet their contracted obligations or just fuck over the people currently paying into it?

I have seen nothing offered by either KB that truly addresses fixing PERS.

If we eliminate all the Tier 1s and 2s PERS is self-sustaining.
 
Hoopguru said:
hell yes I do. lol
Even after 40 years of teaching her pension is a small fraction of some, that were on the job a short time.
Its a shame that school and district are really hurting because they have to pay more for pers, t o carry the small percentage the fat cats, at the top. But I guess since its Government Union Pension it s ok, but god forbid a small business trying to prosper and pay less taxes.
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For the last 10 years I have run the Multnomah Village Post Office for the Oregon Food Bank's Stamp Out Hunger food drive. It's the largest 1 day food drive in the nation. I oversee about 20 volunteers for about 8 hours where they take the food collected by the letter carriers and box it up to send back to the Oregon Food Bank. For the last 8 years the majority of volunteers have been from the Tigard office of PERS. There can be a bit of down time between the waves of food being brought in by the letter carriers so naturally I talk to them about PERS. It's an interesting conversation. I invite you to volunteer next year, it's always the Saturday before Mother's Day. You'll help the community and you'll have a chance to ask some very high up people PERS what the hell is going on.
 
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