OT Are you voting in this midterm election

[dviss1]

Just a few monthly payments paid out.
PERS beneficiaries

Name Monthly benefit Retirement plan
ROBERTSON, JOSEPH E $76,111 Tier One
DELASHAW, JOHNNY B $57,079 Tier One
BELLOTTI, ROBERT M $46,557 Tier One
SWANSON, NEIL $41,974 Tier One
21 more rows

It should and could be capped. Thats the fiscal conservative in me.

Knute wants to cut your wife's retirement plan and kick my son off of his healthcare.

 

[Hoopguru]

PERS payout is based on what was paid in. Complaining that her payout isn't the same as Belloti's is a bit odd.

It's the state legislators that kept kicking the PERS can down the road.

It's gotten to the point to where we have to make some very tough decisions.

Are we going to continue to pay police, fire, judges and elected officials a much higher PERS rate than we do other public employees and teachers?

Are we going to fund PERS to meet their contracted obligations or just fuck over the people currently paying into it?

I have seen nothing offered by either KB that truly addresses fixing PERS.

If we eliminate all the Tier 1s and 2s PERS is self-sustaining.

Dog,
I not complaining that my wife is not as big a check as their at all. Just that I think it if it wasn't so burden down with the mega payouts it could have been more sustainable. Im not in favor of taking it it away from middle income, recipients.

 

[Hoopguru]

Knute wants to cut your wife's retirement plan and kick my son off of his healthcare.

Thats BS

 

[dviss1]

Thats BS

Knute Bueler most CERTAINLY is for The Republican plan of block granting Medicaid.

This will end in children being cut from the rolls.

And YES the republicans want to cut PERS.

Continue to vote against your own self interests the way most conservatives do...

 

[dviss1]

And THANK YOU KATE BROWN for funding Medicaid till the end of 2020.

 

[Hoopguru]

Knute Bueler most CERTAINLY is for The Republican plan of block granting Medicaid.

This will end in children being cut from the rolls.

And YES the republicans want to cut PERS.

Continue to vote against your own self interests the way most conservatives do...[/QUOTE

Performance on education has been dismal at best, We are one of the worst performing States bench marked against others.
Her answer to everything to everything like you liberals (since you are calling me conservative) is tax and spend, empower big government and no balance with anything.
Im glad you think she's doing a spectacular job.
What we need is leadership that can bring people together.
You and I have a beautiful freedom the vote the way we desire.

 

[dviss1]

First, learn to quote then post.

Second, You like to say what liberals want But haven't had ANY meaningful conversations about it. I don't want mine or your taxes raised. AND, I'm independent....

Stop listening to the republicans that are lying to you and talk to the actual people.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

SANCTION SZN

 

[Hoopguru]

First, learn to quote then post.

Second, You like to say what liberals want But haven't had ANY meaningful conversations about it. I don't want mine or your taxes raised. AND, I'm independent....

Stop listening to the republicans that are lying to you and talk to the actual people.

Listen pal, I don't need you to tell me how to post. Get off your high horse, know it all crap. Try a little humble pie it won't hurt ya.
Ive would never tell you who to talk to, so you sure as hell aren't, telling me who I can talk too.
Man, you like putting people in cubicles. Live free man!

 

[Hoopguru]

First, learn to quote then post.

Second, You like to say what liberals want But haven't had ANY meaningful conversations about it. I don't want mine or your taxes raised. AND, I'm independent....

Stop listening to the republicans that are lying to you and talk to the actual people.

Ive got a 8mm kidney stone I'm trying to pass, so cool it with knowing better than everyone else and appreciate life.

 

[dviss1]

Listen pal, I don't need you to tell me how to post. Get off your high horse, know it all crap. Try a little humble pie it won't hurt ya.
Ive would never tell you who to talk to, so you sure as hell aren't, telling me who I can talk too.
Man, you like putting people in cubicles. Live free man!

I'm literally joking with you about the quote stuff man... Lighten up...

 

[dviss1]

Ive got a 8mm kidney stone I'm trying to pass, so cool it with knowing better than everyone else and appreciate life.

Sounds like a pre-existing condition.

All I'm saying is you're talking to conservatives about liberals.

Ever heard of the saying straight from the horse's mouth?

Don't ask conservatives about liberals unless you just want to hear your own narrative. If you actually WANT to garner a new perspective, seek those out who may have a different one than yours.

Go make some liberal friends. You're free to.

 

[Hoopguru]

I have plenty of liberal friends and no I'm not just talking with just conservatives. I respect others point of views even if they I don't totally agree.
Maybe you should go make some conservative friends and seek some new perspective. Life is a balance.

 

[andalusian]

Ive got a 8mm kidney stone I'm trying to pass, so cool it with knowing better than everyone else and appreciate life.

If you name it "tax cut" Congress will do it for you. #BAM

(Sorry to hear about it, I am sure it is painful and I hope you feel better soon).

 

[Hoopguru]

If you name it "tax cut" Congress will do it for you. #BAM

(Sorry to hear about it, I am sure it is painful and I hope you feel better soon).

had the Ct scan yesterday, Ive been pissing blood for a week. Sure enough several stones but one fairly large. He may have to blast away, which isn't all that bad with getting knocked out.

 

[dviss1]

I have plenty of liberal friends and no I'm not just talking with just conservatives. I respect others point of views even if they I don't totally agree.
Maybe you should go make some conservative friends and seek some new perspective. Life is a balance.

My best friend is a black conservative. I have intimate conversations with conservatives all the time. They, however, are able to take in and use that info. They don't just let it bounce off

 

[dviss1]

I have plenty of liberal friends and no I'm not just talking with just conservatives. I respect others point of views even if they I don't totally agree.
Maybe you should go make some conservative friends and seek some new perspective. Life is a balance.

Then you should stop painting us all as tax and spend liberals.

That name was made up by Frank Luntz.

You should stop parroting him.

 

[Hoopguru]

Then you should stop painting us all as tax and spend liberals.

That name was made up by Frank Luntz.

You should stop parroting him.

there you go again? Im not parroting anyone and tax & spend has been around since I was a kid and I'm 68.

 

[Lanny]

So you don't think we should keep your wife's pension afloat?

Personally I think we should raise the tax on wine, beer, hard liquor, and cigarettes to the same 25% tax rate as marijuana. I believe all "sins" should be taxed equally.

Hard liquor, YES. Beer and wine, NO. I get my hard liquor at the PX where there is no tax on it, State or Federal. I get my beer and wine here. Yep, I'm shameless.

 

[Hoopguru]

So you don't think we should keep your wife's pension afloat?

Personally I think we should raise the tax on wine, beer, hard liquor, and cigarettes to the same 25% tax rate as marijuana. I believe all "sins" should be taxed equally.

I could with that then give a tax break to those who don't drink, smoke dope or cigs.
Im always for incentives to perform well.

 

[Lanny]

Sounds like a pre-existing condition.

All I'm saying is you're talking to conservatives about liberals.

Ever heard of the saying straight from the horse's mouth?

Don't ask conservatives about liberals unless you just want to hear your own narrative. If you actually WANT to garner a new perspective, seek those out who may have a different one than yours.

Go make some liberal friends. You're free to.

He has Liberal friends and I'm one of them.

 

[Hoopguru]

He has Liberal friends and I'm one of them.

Im changing to an independent from libertarian but I vote, conservative, liberal or moderate.

I have herds of friends here in the NW & the midwest that are democrats, none to far left though. They all know I've been both and really am not straight ticket kind of guy. Ive never had any big arguments with them or they with me as we respect each others personal views. Most of my demo friends are flag waving, patriotic, deer hunting & fishing, hard working gals and guys. Many are vets and like me with kids in the service.
I will say that the midwestern ones look at the left coast as another world. I always tell them it's not as bad as the everyone says.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Im changing to an independent from libertarian but I vote, conservative, liberal or moderate.

I have herds of friends here in the NW & the midwest that are democrats, none to far left though. They all know I've been both and really am not straight ticket kind of guy. Ive never had any big arguments with them or they with me as we respect each others personal views. Most of my demo friends are flag waving, patriotic, deer hunting & fishing, hard working gals and guys. Many are vets and like me with kids in the service.
I will say that the midwestern ones look at the left coast as another world. I always tell them it's not as bad as the everyone says.

I was raised in a Democratic household, however, I've been an Independent for many years now. I agree with Democrats on some issues and Republicans on some issues. Overall, I find I am a moderate in my political views rather than the extreme of either side.

 

[Hoopguru]

I was raised in a Democratic household, however, I've been an Independent for many years now. I agree with Democrats on some issues and Republicans on some issues. Overall, I find I am a moderate in my political views rather than the extreme of either side.

Me too. Im a firm believer there needs to be give and take from both sides and balance is the key everything anyway.

 

[MARIS61]

My best friend is a black conservative. I have intimate conversations with conservatives all the time. They, however, are able to take in and use that info. They don't just let it bounce off

I'm guessing you don't call them a racist every time they don't parrot your opinions, because that's a real conversation killer.

 

[MARIS61]

Those can not be capped. It's too late. They would sue and win. Current high earners have been capped so that can not happen in the future.

Actually, another 4 years of Dem rule and Oregon can file for bankruptcy and all PERS recipients will be looking for jobs as Walmart greeters..

 

[MARIS61]

Part of the attraction of getting qualified people to apply for low paying government jobs is the PERS along with increased job security. The total cost is still less than hiring people at a pay rate competitive with private sector equivalent jobs.

There is no such thing as a low paying government job in Oregon.

The State of Oregon pays nearly twice what the private sector pays for most jobs, and has ridiculously exhorbitant benefits.

https://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/12/top_state_salaries_in_oregon.html

https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/browse/

 

[SlyPokerCat]

There is no such thing as a low paying government job in Oregon.

The State of Oregon pays nearly twice what the private sector pays for most jobs, and has ridiculously exhorbitant benefits.

https://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/12/top_state_salaries_in_oregon.html

https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/browse/

That's an absolute lie.

The state pays shit wages. Especially for people living in the Portland metro area.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Actually, another 4 years of Dem rule and Oregon can file for bankruptcy and all PERS recipients will be looking for jobs as Walmart greeters..

We can revisit this in 4 years when you are dead wrong. And if you are, you can apply to be a Walmart greeter and @SlyPokerDog and I will come visit you at work.

 

[MARIS61]

We can revisit this in 4 years when you are dead wrong. And if you are, you can apply to be a Walmart greeter and @SlyPokerDog and I will come visit you at work.

No need to wait 4 years, visitors from the forum are always welcome here in Beautiful Central Oregon.

Besides, with the added taxes Brown wants on gas you won't be able to get here 4 years from now.