Arizona: U.S. Congresswomen, 12 others shot, at least 4 dead

[TradeNurkicNow]

Is he a clown or not?

I think he is. I prefer my funny people to make me laugh in other ways, and I certainly don't give a shit about what a comedian thinks about this situation.

That's pretty short sighted.

 

[bluefrog]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011106068.html

Fortunately most people aren't buying it.

Poll: Conservatives not to blame for Ariz. shooting

WASHINGTON — Most Americans reject the idea that inflammatory political language by conservatives should be part of the debate about the forces behind the Arizona shooting that left six people dead and a congresswoman in critical condition, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.

A 53% majority of those surveyed call that analysis mostly an attempt to use the tragedy to make conservatives look bad. About a third, 35%, say it is a legitimate point about how dangerous language can be.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is a slam dunk FAIL by the left.

The guy was into Mein Kampf, which is all about hatred and racism and bigotry and genocide, and the Communist Manifesto, which is about revolution against the state. These texts do a little more than just encourage the kind of violence this lunatic committed.

Notice the arrows point Left.

 

[Haakzilla]

Yes that was the first thing that upset me, the lack of security. Not even a couple of patrol vehicles standing close by?

...I would also like to know why it took paramedics and emergency personnel 20-30 minutes to show up to the scene of this crime?! Were they told to "stand-down" or what?!

 

[Ed O]

That's pretty short sighted.

It's short-sighted to not give a shit about the opinion of a guy who admits he's a clown and that people who get their news from him are making a mistake?

Uh. OK.

Ed O.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Loughner's friend said on ABC news that the guy wasn't in to TV at all, wasn't in to politics at all, and never listened to political radio. He said Loughner was shooting "at the world" and had spiraled out of control after a girl broke up with him. He started drinking and using and obviously he's mentally ill. This is a fail on every side of American politics. Every one is fucking guilty of being morons. Leave it at that and focus on the real tragedy. Sickening.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...ect-did-not-watch-tv-disliked-the-news_b48040

 

[MARIS61]

This guy was rejected by the military. If MIXUM gets suspended for posting some supposedly insensitive remarks after Mo Lucas' death, should the author of this sort of vile vitriol, based on a falsehood, also get a timeout?

Censorship of an American's free speech is the vilest insult you can inflict on the military. They are supposedly willing to die to protect that right.

Most people know that.

 

[MARIS61]

My question to the sheriff would be this: How could you not have any deputies assigned to an organized public event involving a sitting US Representative? That seems like a very basic practice in law enforment, doesn't it? I don't think I've ever been to any public event in Portland without a presence from either the police or sheriff's office. Hell, even the Ski Expo in north Portlan has police/deputies there every year.

If protection was needed, it would not have been the County Sherriff's problem unless it was a county politico. This would be a Fed or State responsibility, and I see no reason why you would think it needed. This was one incident in a country that has probably thousands of comparable little "meet your rep" events every month. Frankly, if the candidate felt the need for a show of security, I'd probably consider them too weak and timid for the job. I expect the representatives I vote for to have at least more courage than the military and police have.

Ron Wyden does town halls all over Oregon every year. I've been to 2 of them in La Pine, and there was no official police presence that I noticed.

Years ago I attended a rally for a candidate for the Presidency the toy department at M&F in downtown Portland. I don't recall any security at that rather popular event either, despite the candidate mingling with us and personally handing out rubber-stamped "autographs".

 

[Ed O]

This guy was rejected by the military. If MIXUM gets suspended for posting some supposedly insensitive remarks after Mo Lucas' death, should the author of this sort of vile vitriol, based on a falsehood, also get a timeout?

Haha. No.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

This is a slam dunk FAIL by the left.

The guy was into Mein Kampf, which is all about hatred and racism and bigotry and genocide, and the Communist Manifesto, which is about revolution against the state. These texts do a little more than just encourage the kind of violence this lunatic committed.

Notice the arrows point Left.

Actually, he was just "into" reading.

Firstly, just because you read a book doesn't believe you support the views expressed in it.

Secondly, those few books were deliberately hand-picked by a media-manipulator out of a large library of other diverse classics he had listed online.

Here is his list of favorites:

I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Some very good books there. I've read all but one of them and haven't killed anyone.

God help you all if and when I read Meno.

 

[barfo]

That "fail" photo is a fail itself. Anyone who's ever driven a car knows they don't paint the arrows right in the intersection, they precede the intersection. Those arrows obviously refer to an intersection off to the right of what's shown in the photo.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

That "fail" photo is a fail itself. Anyone who's ever driven a car knows they don't paint the arrows right in the intersection, they precede the intersection. Those arrows obviously refer to an intersection off to the right of what's shown in the photo.

barfo

Nice of Denny Crane to provide that oh-so-typical example of right-wing media manipulation.

 

[Denny Crane]

Actually, he was just "into" reading.

Firstly, just because you read a book doesn't believe you support the views expressed in it.

Secondly, those few books were deliberately hand-picked by a media-manipulator out of a large library of other diverse classics he had listed online.

Here is his list of favorites:

I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Some very good books there. I've read all but one of them and haven't killed anyone.

God help you all if and when I read Meno.

You've read and heard Palin's rhetoric (for example) and haven't killed anyone either.

The point being that if rhetoric is going to influence a guy like this, it'd be the Mein Kampf, which is far far far worse than anything in the realm of our mainstream political speech, or the Manifesto.

 

[Denny Crane]

That "fail" photo is a fail itself. Anyone who's ever driven a car knows they don't paint the arrows right in the intersection, they precede the intersection. Those arrows obviously refer to an intersection off to the right of what's shown in the photo.

barfo

Nope. They point left, and point at the guard rail.

FAIL, like the left wingers trying to make something of political speech.

 

[PapaG]

Haha. No.

Ed O.

What's the difference, Ed? What MIXUM posted was less inflammatory than the falsehood, followed by a smear, that MARIS posted. I didn't agree with the MIXUM banning, but since that is the precedent, is consistency too much to ask of my board lords?

 

[barfo]

Nope. They point left, and point at the guard rail.

That's an incredibly lame argument, Denny. Didn't you ever drive that Chevette? Or did you just crash it a lot when you obeyed signs literally? Here's another fail for you. This sign says you have to drive up in the air. FAIL!

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

If protection was needed, it would not have been the County Sherriff's problem unless it was a county politico. This would be a Fed or State responsibility, and I see no reason why you would think it needed. This was one incident in a country that has probably thousands of comparable little "meet your rep" events every month. Frankly, if the candidate felt the need for a show of security, I'd probably consider them too weak and timid for the job. I expect the representatives I vote for to have at least more courage than the military and police have.

Ron Wyden does town halls all over Oregon every year. I've been to 2 of them in La Pine, and there was no official police presence that I noticed.

Years ago I attended a rally for a candidate for the Presidency the toy department at M&F in downtown Portland. I don't recall any security at that rather popular event either, despite the candidate mingling with us and personally handing out rubber-stamped "autographs".

Would it really hurt to put one police officer or whatever as security over an entire event?

I remember I had to go to court for a traffic ticket, and there were two security guards there just to defend the judge/etc. I don't see why we can't at least assign a patrol officer to the event.

 

[PapaG]

Nice of Denny Crane to provide that oh-so-typical example of right-wing media manipulation.

Nice of you to smear the entire military with a falsehood, LIAR.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's an incredibly lame argument, Denny. Didn't you ever drive that Chevette? Or did you just crash it a lot when you obeyed signs literally? Here's another fail for you. This sign says you have to drive up in the air. FAIL!

barfo

You argue beyond the FAIL over silliness.

Here's an even better picture.

 

[STOMP]

Can we agree that it's lame no matter who uses it?

isn't there a clear difference between having a target on a state/area vs a crosshairs on an individual? To me it's sort of like the differentiation we make here between insulting a group you disagree with and insulting a particular poster. I'm much less likely to take it personal if someone is painting Blazer fans or Americans with a broad brush of insults as opposed to if someone specifically calls me out

with all the debate here over how harmless vs dangerous inciting political rhetoric is, here's an election cycle blast from the past where the Secret Service weighs in

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html

STOMP

 

[huevonkiller]

Both sides use ignorant rhetoric.