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[SheedSoNasty]

Waited for who?

I think he means Vucevic

 

[THE HCP]

The goal shouldn't be to be better next season..

Now this is what I like to see. Realistic look AND EXPECTATIONS at out current roster situation. Some on here who actually believe we are a BETTER team that will win MORE games because DA is gone are the ones I just don’t agree with. If this move is for the betterment of our future, then I’m all for it.

 

[THE HCP]

I think he means Vucevic

Ahhh. I believe they would want DA over Vucevic though.

 

[THE HCP]

* Portland offensive rating with Ayton on floor: 111.6
* Portland offensive rating with Ayton off floor: 111.9

net = -0.3

* Portland defensive rating with Ayton on floor: 118.4
* Portland defensive rating with Ayton off floor: 113.6

net = -4.8....meaning the Blazers were 5.1 points worse with Ayton on the floor

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* Portland offensive rating with Clingan on floor: 112.3
* Portland offensive rating with Clingan off floor: 111.5

net = +0.8

* Portland defensive rating with Clingan on floor: 112.5
* Portland defensive rating with Clingan on floor: 116.3

net = +3.8....meaning the Blazers were +4.6 points better with Clingan on the floor

if you're keeping track, Portland was 9.7 points better than the opposition with Clingan on the floor instead of Ayton. Defense matters, and the reality is after all the yakyak about Ayton's allegedly better offense, the Blazer offense was slightly better with Clingan than it was with Ayton

So you are on record that we are better with DA GONE? With Clingan as our starter with not really sure who are backup would be?

 

[THE HCP]

It must be very confusing to you that there are players (Jahlil Okafor, Boban Marjanovic) who, when they play, put up ridiculous per-36 numbers in both scoring and rebounding, and yet can't get a job in the NBA. I mean, go check out highlights of Kenny Lofton Jr.

Just answer my question FAMS.

 

[THE HCP]

Again, -6

Answer my question FAMS!

 

[LayneStaley]

Answer my question FAMS!

I will know for sure after I see Yang in a couple SL games but I’m leaning towards yes. Clingan/RW3/Yang/Reath all offer a different skill set and can be productive in stretches and there is no doubting any of their motors. All play hard when on the floor. If CB finds the right rotation for them I don’t see us missing Ayton at all.

 

[kjironman1]

Then get a front office who gives a fuck about actually winning instead of being okay with garnering apathetic fans (me) who actually want the team to be the best, not middle of the road, which is what all their moves (Scoot, sharpe, deni, tou) are. Middle of the road support players that cant develop into superstars because they aren't good enough to become that. They are good to somewhat good players, but none of them will be a superstar. And we just need one of them to be that. But none of them will and its obvious, but then we do the CJ and simons treatment where they both fucking suck and we hold on to them for too long. Rinse and repeat.

Then we become apathetic because we get done being told and sold a fake bill of goods.

"Like a matador is taunting me with its reddest red cloak and I am the bull
Yes I feel emphatic about not being static
And not eating the bullshit thats being fed to me no more
Cause now im full"

You can be pissed at me all you want for speaking my peace about it, but im done being told we are gonna be great and every year since covid we have fucking sucked. Theres something to be said about eternal optimism but theres also something to be said about understanding when we are getting the wool pulled over our eyes. At a certain point im going to stop believing what someone else has told me for 5 years because the words aren't meeting the actions.

This is exactly what a losing culture is.
Thank you for making my point.

 

[THE HCP]

I will know for sure after I see Yang in a couple SL games but I’m leaning towards yes. Clingan/RW3/Yang/Reath all offer a different skill set and can be productive in stretches and there is no doubting any of their motors. All play hard when on the floor. If CB finds the right rotation for them I don’t see us missing Ayton at all.

I can respect this. Regular season is just so different than summer league style wise though. I just can’t get out of my head that if DC is starting and he either picks up 2 quick ones or is dead tired 5 minutes into the game, then what? Love the DA/Clingan combo much better.

 

[Natebishop3]

Then get a front office who gives a fuck about actually winning instead of being okay with garnering apathetic fans (me) who actually want the team to be the best, not middle of the road, which is what all their moves (Scoot, sharpe, deni, tou) are. Middle of the road support players that cant develop into superstars because they aren't good enough to become that. They are good to somewhat good players, but none of them will be a superstar. And we just need one of them to be that. But none of them will and its obvious, but then we do the CJ and simons treatment where they both fucking suck and we hold on to them for too long. Rinse and repeat.

Then we become apathetic because we get done being told and sold a fake bill of goods.

"Like a matador is taunting me with its reddest red cloak and I am the bull
Yes I feel emphatic about not being static
And not eating the bullshit thats being fed to me no more
Cause now im full"

You can be pissed at me all you want for speaking my peace about it, but im done being told we are gonna be great and every year since covid we have fucking sucked. Theres something to be said about eternal optimism but theres also something to be said about understanding when we are getting the wool pulled over our eyes. At a certain point im going to stop believing what someone else has told me for 5 years because the words aren't meeting the actions.

You think that drafting Scoot and Shae was middle of the road moves?

 

[wizenheimer]

So you are on record that we are better with DA GONE? With Clingan as our starter with not really sure who are backup would be?

I'm 'on record' as saying good fucking riddance to Ayton; byebye; sayonara; don't let the door hit your lazy ass as you leave. The Blazers will be more enjoyable to watch without him in a Blazer uniform

I said, repeatedly, when the Blazers traded for him they'd regret it, a lot, and end up desperately looking for a way to shed him and his albatross contract. That's what happened

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm 'on record' as saying good fucking riddance to Ayton; byebye; sayonara; don't let the door hit your lazy ass as you leave. The Blazers will be more enjoyable to watch without him in a Blazer uniform

I said, repeatedly, when the Blazers traded for him they'd regret it, a lot, and end up desperately looking for a way to shed him and his albatross contract. That's what happened

I don’t think they regret it a lot. He was a non factor. They gave up nothing to get him. They got Toumani. His contract wasn’t an albatross at this point. But cutting him now doesn’t make a ton of sense if they don’t use that MLE.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Also we got rid of Nurk, which @THE HCP hints was a good thing

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'm 'on record' as saying good fucking riddance to Ayton; byebye; sayonara; don't let the door hit your lazy ass as you leave. The Blazers will be more enjoyable to watch without him in a Blazer uniform

I said, repeatedly, when the Blazers traded for him they'd regret it, a lot, and end up desperately looking for a way to shed him and his albatross contract. That's what happened

It was absolutely the right thing to do. There's no reason for them to regret anything. They got an all-NBA defensive player out of it and they gave it a shot with a talented former #1 pick. I would do the deal 10 times over.

They gave up Nurk, Little and Keon Johnson.

What is there to regret?

 

[THE HCP]

. The Blazers will be more enjoyable to watch without him in a Blazer uniform

Gotcha.
So not better, but more fun. Noted! I can respect this for sure.

 

[Natebishop3]

It was absolutely the right thing to do. There's no reason for them to regret anything. They got an all-NBA defensive player out of it and they gave it a shot with a talented former #1 pick. I would do the deal 10 times over.

They gave up Nurk, Little and Keon Johnson.

What is there to regret?

I agree but technically they also gave up Grayson Allen as well…. Which is fine because I hate that guy.

 

[wizenheimer]

It was absolutely the right thing to do. There's no reason for them to regret anything. They got an all-NBA defensive player out of it and they gave it a shot with a talented former #1 pick. I would do the deal 10 times over.

They gave up Nurk, Little and Keon Johnson.

What is there to regret?

they "gave up Nurk, Little and Keon Johnson"...and Dame

team's don't buy out 36M salaries they are happy with, especially when eating 26M of it. 17% of the salary cap invested in dead salary is regret

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I agree but technically they also gave up Grayson Allen as well…. Which is fine because I hate that guy.

We never had Allen. He came from the Bucks.

 

[Mediocre Man]

* Portland offensive rating with Ayton on floor: 111.6
* Portland offensive rating with Ayton off floor: 111.9

net = -0.3

* Portland defensive rating with Ayton on floor: 118.4
* Portland defensive rating with Ayton off floor: 113.6

net = -4.8....meaning the Blazers were 5.1 points worse with Ayton on the floor

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* Portland offensive rating with Clingan on floor: 112.3
* Portland offensive rating with Clingan off floor: 111.5

net = +0.8

* Portland defensive rating with Clingan on floor: 112.5
* Portland defensive rating with Clingan on floor: 116.3

net = +3.8....meaning the Blazers were +4.6 points better with Clingan on the floor

if you're keeping track, Portland was 9.7 points better than the opposition with Clingan on the floor instead of Ayton. Defense matters, and the reality is after all the yakyak about Ayton's allegedly better offense, the Blazer offense was slightly better with Clingan than it was with Ayton

 

[Sheldon Shape]

they "gave up Nurk, Little and Keon Johnson"...and Dame

team's don't buy out 36M salaries they are happy with, especially when eating 26M of it. 17% of the salary cap invested in dead salary is regret

I never said they were happy with Ayton. And if we're counting Dame in the trade, we also have to count Deni, Toumani and the slew of draft picks/swaps we received. And we weren't going to do much with the salary in Ayton's place anyways so it was a resounding win any way you look at it.

 

[Natebishop3]

We never had Allen. He came from the Bucks.

He was an asset that we acquired from the Dame trade and rerouted to Phoenix. If the Ayton trade didn’t happen, we have Allen on our team.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Answer my question FAMS!

Don’t really know what your question is, but we were worse with Ayton than with Clingan

 

[Natebishop3]

they "gave up Nurk, Little and Keon Johnson"...and Dame

team's don't buy out 36M salaries they are happy with, especially when eating 26M of it. 17% of the salary cap invested in dead salary is regret

The buyout doesn’t necessarily signal regret. They clearly did it for several reasons. One being that it freed up minutes and the starting spot.

The second being that they have the MLE available. Whether they use it or not is unknown at this point.

The third reportedly being that they were tired of his shit, but that doesn’t mean regret. They took a chance on him. They needed matching salary anyway. It didn’t work out. They moved on. I imagine getting rid of Nurk was a big bonus in that move.

 

[wizenheimer]

The buyout doesn’t necessarily signal regret. They clearly did it for several reasons. One being that it freed up minutes and the starting spot.

The second being that they have the MLE available. Whether they use it or not is unknown at this point.

The third reportedly being that they were tired of his shit, but that doesn’t mean regret. They took a chance on him. They needed matching salary anyway. It didn’t work out. They moved on. I imagine getting rid of Nurk was a big bonus in that move.

you just confirmed the regret while denying it. And yeah....hyperbole. You're saying I can't have hyperbole? Nate's No-Fun Zone

when I first heard about that trade I was desperately hoping the Blazers were going to re-route Ayton to a 3rd team....like Indiana...or Beijing

 

[wizenheimer]

I never said they were happy with Ayton. And if we're counting Dame in the trade, we also have to count Deni, Toumani and the slew of draft picks/swaps we received. And we weren't going to do much with the salary in Ayton's place anyways so it was a resounding win any way you look at it.

oh...the genesis factor!

well, Blazers wouldn't have had Dame unless they had Gerald Wallace to trade. And they wouldn't have had Gerald Wallace without having Joel Przybilla to trade. So, it all started with the vanilla gorilla.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

The Trail Blazers had the 2-track build at both ends and needed to pick one. Unfortunately, the older vets included a superstar Batman who had to wait for the supporting dudes too long and wanted out, and his undersized Robin at SG was all O and not much D — twice. Cronin picked a track.

DA was gone the minute Clingan was picked at 7. Bought out when Yang was picked at 16 to go with a future 1st and 2 2nds. A fresh start — not someone else’s didn’t-work-out-player or reclamation project. Time Lord and Reath have a place if they stay healthy. If not, it’s a year away (or less).

Cleaning the team salary structure takes time. Past choices that don’t fit moving forward have been moved — Probably work to do with Grant.

Two forwards — better than predecessors going back to LMA and Nico. A veteran, winning guard at 2 positions to improve the D immediately. 2 young guards who have much to prove of their worth.

However, this is better. I look forward to watching this unfinished team. More wins and then more wins is more likely than just a year ago.

 

[Natebishop3]

you just confirmed the regret while denying it. And yeah....hyperbole. You're saying I can't have hyperbole? Nate's No-Fun Zone

when I first heard about that trade I was desperately hoping the Blazers were going to re-route Ayton to a 3rd team....like Indiana...or Beijing

But you keep talking about regret and I’m saying that wanting to be out of the Ayton business doesn’t mean regret necessarily.

I dated a girl that was mostly just a fuck buddy. She wasn’t wife material. I got out of the relationship when it was clear that she thought we had a future together. I didn’t regret dating her. I just knew we weren’t gonna be together long term. The blazers traded for Ayton to see if they could turn around his career. They couldn’t do it and they decided to get out of the Ayton business. That doesn’t mean regret.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

dated a girl that was mostly just a fuck buddy. She wasn’t wife material. I got out of the relationship when it was clear that she thought we had a future together.

Do you still have her number? Does she like dogs? Picture?

 

[wizenheimer]

But you keep talking about regret and I’m saying that wanting to be out of the Ayton business doesn’t mean regret necessarily..

so, you're saying regret is subjective...right. I'm saying that choosing 26M in dead salary over a player is a textbook definition of having regret about that player

 

[kjironman1]

BREAKING!