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PtldPlatypus said:
We don't if he is or can be a foundational player. If he is good enough, we'd find out soon enough, and be in great shape going forward. If he isn't... we'd find out soon enough, and have another lottery pick next year. Either way, we'd avoid another purgatory situation.
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the past purgatory was built on bad management and poor ownership. Certainly I haven't seen many saying current management is good. And it's a fairly unanimous consensus that ownership still sucks. So I don't know how it is you can know trading away Dame avoids purgatory.

but that's a much broader argument when what I was saying, simply, was that Simons was not a player a team should commit to building around. Maybe he should be shopped just like Dame...or maybe even before Dame
 
illmatic99 said:
There is no precedence for this outside of maybe Boston in 08, but that model is tough to replicate in a market like OKC.

I have a bold prediction. Presti jumps ship in a year or two.
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What did Boston do in 08? They just kept most of their team together.
 
wizenheimer said:
cause you say so? I don't agree at all

you don't build a team around a role player and at this point, that's all Ant is. We're talking about trading away a franchise player because of Simons? That's not a foundation for a rebuild; that's a foundation for becoming the Sacramento Kings. That's "we don't draft Chris Paul because we have Sebastian Telfaire". That's Linsanity
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Simons has proven himself to be better than Telfair.
 
illmatic99 said:
sigh

surely you realized that i meant 07-08 when they moved the 5th pick and youngsters for allen/kg/etc. but let's be pedantic and act incredulous instead...
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Here is the problem with the comparison. Boston was the first to show how a superteam could be put together
 
Mediocre Man said:
Point taken, but the difference is KG and Allen were already established stars when Boston added them
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i think the Lakers adding Davis in exchange for all their youngins is another example of a consolidation trade of picks/youngsters for stars. But again, in the LA market where they could draw free agents and other veterans to help them win a title.

I question whether that approach is feasible in OKC.

I think their best bet is to get as many shots on goal at the top of the draft to try to build a star from in-house. But my original point remains-- those picks later on in the first will start to lose value over time because they have monopolized them in a league with a finite number of roster spots and guaranteed contracts. They will have no choice but to consolidate eventually.
 
illmatic99 said:
sigh

surely you realized that i meant 07-08 when they moved the 5th pick and youngsters for allen/kg/etc. but let's be pedantic and act incredulous instead...
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You said they moved tons of picks but that didn't happen in 2008 (or 2007). It was one pick for Allen and Al Jefferson for KG basically. So no, I didn't know what the fuck you were talking about.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
You said they moved tons of picks but that didn't happen in 2008 (or 2007). It was one pick for Allen and Al Jefferson for KG basically. So no, I didn't know what the fuck you were talking about.
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Simmer down sugar britches.
 
Freshtown said:
Lol

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The Reddit comments are actually kinda funny… and accurate. The Nets are gonna leak every little negative thing about him if he’s truly on the outs.

“Harden is a selfish teammate because he wants Irving to play” lol
 
wizenheimer said:
the past purgatory was built on bad management and poor ownership. Certainly I haven't seen many saying current management is good. And it's a fairly unanimous consensus that ownership still sucks. So I don't know how it is you can know trading away Dame avoids purgatory.
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NBA purgatory is when a team is good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to legitimately contend... thats where the Blazers have been for years. If they trade away Dame during this next year for draft assets and or young talent, they are likely to be bad in the short term which would result in better draft assets. Of course having draft capital isn't a guaranteed way to land elite talent and past examples of elite talent slipping to the middle of the draft and below can be produced, but it improves a team's odds of doing so. Instead of purgatory, they'd likely suck and then hopefully rise up.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
NBA purgatory is when a team is good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to legitimately contend... thats where the Blazers have been for years. If they trade away Dame during this next year for draft assets and or young talent, they are likely to be bad in the short term which would result in better draft assets. Of course having draft capital isn't a guaranteed way to land elite talent and past examples of elite talent slipping to the middle of the draft and below can be produced, but it improves a team's odds of doing so. Instead of purgatory, they'd likely suck and then hopefully rise up.

STOMP
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I don't understand how people fail to comprehend this.
 
STOMP said:
NBA purgatory is when a team is good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to legitimately contend... thats where the Blazers have been for years. If they trade away Dame during this next year for draft assets and or young talent, they are likely to be bad in the short term which would result in better draft assets. Of course having draft capital isn't a guaranteed way to land elite talent and past examples of elite talent slipping to the middle of the draft and below can be produced, but it improves a team's odds of doing so. Instead of purgatory, they'd likely suck and then hopefully rise up.

STOMP
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Problem is you likely rise up to where you were before. Sixers still haven’t made it out of the 2nd round.
 
STOMP said:
"The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time." Thomas Edison

STOMP
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Embiid is a superstar. Harden is on the downswing but I think he will do better next year.

Maxey looks great. Harris is overpaid but fine.

Sixers made some blunders along the way, but they will probably do a lot better than us next year.

Just think if they would have kept Butler.....

It makes me chuckle when people point to them as a reason the process fails. They haven't met expectations. But they definitely had opportunities and just mucked it up along the way.

The process isn't foolproof. The draft is the tried and true way for a small market to get star players.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
The draft is the way for a small market to get star players.
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I selectively edited your post to my liking :-)

Seriously, outside of James going home to Cleveland when was the last time a star went to a small market in Free Agency?

STOMP
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Embiid is a superstar. Harden is on the downswing but I think he will do better next year.

Maxey looks great. Harris is overpaid but fine.

Sixers made some blunders along the way, but they will probably do a lot better than us next year.

Just think if they would have kept Butler.....

It makes me chuckle when people point to them as a reason the process fails. They haven't met expectations. But they definitely had opportunities and just mucked it up along the way.

The process isn't foolproof. The draft is the tried and true way for a small market to get star players.
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Hiring Doc was also a huge mistake.
 
jeez that is horribly sad. rip biggie
 
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