Around the NBA: 2022 Offseason

[blazerfan11]

Where's a good place to do so?

I don't know. Let me know if you find out!

I know we're seen this 41-game line before in the past (I won't call it a prediction) and the Blazers easily exceeded it.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Isn't this more a prediction/reaction to bets than trying to predict actual wins/losses (though they could be similar in the end)?

By the way, the Blazers were 3 point underdogs yesterday even though they had already beaten the Knicks.
Was that what "Vegas was thinking" or stupid Knicks fans?

I think a lot of gamblers believe it is harder to beat a team twice in a tournament than it is to sweep them. (Unless one team is clearly better.)

 

[blazerfan11]

I think a lot of gamblers believe it is harder to beat a team twice in a tournament than it is to sweep them. (Unless one team is clearly better.)

The Blazers turned out to be clearly better.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[PDXFonz]

Wow, Vegas thinks we’ll only win 41 games this year.

Vegas overrating PHX IMO
Think they will drop off a bit this season

I think that’s easy money on the over for us

 

[blazerfan11]

Wow, Vegas thinks we’ll only win 41 games this year.

Why is Chicago at 41.5 ? That seems wrong. Is someone still injured or not coming back?

 

[SheedSoNasty]

their best ones were during LeBron’s first stint there. I never understood why they went away from those. They’ve looked more and more like summer league jerseys since.

 

[HansenYang]

Vegas overrating PHX IMO
Think they will drop off a bit this season

I think that’s easy money on the over for us

Why do you say PHX is overrated? They won 64 games last year. They return all 8 of their top players (by minutes played). Saric should also be ready to return to action. If he can be healthy & effective - he can add a dangerous dynamic to that team.
IMO the over for PHX (+52.5) is easy money.

 

[PDXFonz]

Why do you say PHX is overrated? They won 64 games last year. They return all 8 of their top players (by minutes played). Saric should also be ready to return to action. If he can be healthy & effective - he can add a dangerous dynamic to that team.
IMO the over for PHX (+52.5) is easy money.

Rest of the league wasn’t 100% and they prospered more than any other team from it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So the Warriors are going to sign Jamychal Green, probably for the minimum, after he's bought out by the Thunder.

Am I way off in thinking that he's probably about as good as the guy we're going to pay 20M+ to start at PF for us?

 

[Freshtown]

So the Warriors are going to sign Jamychal Green, probably for the minimum, after he's bought out by the Thunder.

Am I way off in thinking that he's probably about as good as the guy we're going to pay 20M+ to start at PF for us?

Yes

 

[illmatic99]

So the Warriors are going to sign Jamychal Green, probably for the minimum, after he's bought out by the Thunder.

Am I way off in thinking that he's probably about as good as the guy we're going to pay 20M+ to start at PF for us?

ya way off. green is not that good.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

ya way off. green is not that good.

Didn't say he was. I'm saying that Grant is also not that good.



I see that Green's 3P% dropped off a cliff last year. Wonder if that's a fluke.

 

[illmatic99]

Didn't say he was. I'm saying that Grant is also not that good.

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I see that Green's 3P% dropped off a cliff last year. Wonder if that's a fluke.

Those WS and VORP differences are pretty substantial. Not a similar caliber player.

 

[Natebishop3]

Didn't say he was. I'm saying that Grant is also not that good.

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I see that Green's 3P% dropped off a cliff last year. Wonder if that's a fluke.

I feel like some of these stats you just posted tell the story..

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Those WS and VORP differences are pretty substantial. Not a similar caliber player.

I feel like some of these stats you just posted tell the story..

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The WS difference is based on minutes played; Green's WS/48 is better. The BPM/VORP difference is the only one that is significant. Honestly, their massive divergence from the comparability in the other advanced stats makes me doubt their reliability.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I hadn't even posted their shooting figures



Really looks crappy for Grant in this comparison. But hey, at least he gets free throws...

 

[Natebishop3]

The WS difference is based on minutes played; Green's WS/48 is better. The BPM/VORP difference is the only one that is significant. Honestly, their massive divergence from the comparability in the other advanced stats makes me doubt their reliability.

Did you use his career numbers and not last season?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Did you use his career numbers and not last season?

As I mentioned above: "I see that Green's 3P% dropped off a cliff last year. Wonder if that's a fluke." He'd been very consistently a good three point shooter for years, and then suddenly he's down at 26%? Something had to be wrong physically.

 

[Natebishop3]

Ok, so I went back to the season where Grant started for OKC, which is the role that I think he will have here. He's not putting up 20 shots per game on the Blazers. He's not even the second option on offense.



Per 100 possessions, that version of Grant and Green are very similar, except Grant was a much much better three point shooter last season for some reason.


So I guess the question will be, can Billups get Grant to accept this kind of role on the Blazers? I could see him having a similar usage and shots per game as he did in his last year in OKC.

 

[Natebishop3]

As I mentioned above: "I see that Green's 3P% dropped off a cliff last year. Wonder if that's a fluke." He'd been very consistently a good three point shooter for years, and then suddenly he's down at 26%? Something had to be wrong physically.

I think it's important to point out that Green is 4 years older than Grant. That can play a part.

 

[wizenheimer]

Vegas overrating PHX IMO
Think they will drop off a bit this season

I think that’s easy money on the over for us

they are saying the Suns drop from 64 wins to 52. You think that's overrating?

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[PDXFonz]

they are saying the Suns drop from 64 wins to 52. You think that's overrating?

I think the drop off is understandable and that 52 wins is fair, but they could end up below that.

The west is going to be deeper this year than it has been in the last 15 years

 

[B-Roy]

Green and Grant are not remotely the same type of player. Forget the fact you're using career numbers to compare their current play, but the context of how they get their stats is completely different. Grant does more, as the focus of an opposing team's defense. Green gets all his buckets assisted and can't create for himself at all.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Green and Grant are not remotely the same type of player. Forget the fact you're using career numbers to compare their current play, but the context of how they get their stats is completely different. Grant does more, as the focus of an opposing team's defense. Green gets all his buckets assisted and can't create for himself at all.

Didn't say they were the same type of player. Just said one might be about as good as the other.

 

[STOMP]

Green and Grant are not remotely the same type of player. Forget the fact you're using career numbers to compare their current play, but the context of how they get their stats is completely different. Grant does more as the focus of an opposing team's defense. Green gets all his buckets assisted and can't create for himself at all.

Correct. For Detroit, Grant played with probably the worst set of guards in the league with few other legit offensive threats. He should benefit from much cleaner looks in PDX

STOMP

 

[B-Roy]

Didn't say they were the same type of player. Just said one might be about as good as the other.

You "might" be wrong about that. You took raw stats and interpreted them completely out of context.

 

[OneSport3]

At least we’re not the Kings?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

At least we’re not the Kings?

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That's quite the stat.