Around the NBA - August 2017 Edition (1 Viewer)

[BonesJones]

It's not really said and done that Brooklyn pick will be top 5. They have no reason to tank and there are a lot of truly bad teams who will be tanking across the league - Atlanta, Chicago, Orlando and Sacramento are absolutely brutal, Indiana are terrible too and then you also have Phoenix who are a bad team as well. Besides, I would not say Memphis are getting a top 5 pick because they are making themselves so bad, it's not an asset to consider, you don't purposedly move on two players of Conley and Gasol quality with a view of becoming bad enough to end up higher in lottery

They've had no reason to tank the last two years and they lost their best player. D'Angelo Russell hurts a team on both sides of the ball. All those teams you listed have more talent than Brooklyn. It's very likely they end up in the bottom 5.

The question is, would you rather have Conley and Gasol, who are past their prime, just to get the 8th seed at best? Or would you rather have two top 5 picks in the draft next year? I'd take the draft picks any day of the week.

 

[BonesJones]

He has a $24M contract next year. Unless there's a buyout he's going nowhere.

That's exactly what would happen.

 

[Sarni]

They've had no reason to tank the last two years and they lost their best player. D'Angelo Russell hurts a team on both sides of the ball. All those teams you listed have more talent than Brooklyn. It's very likely they end up in the bottom 5.

The question is, would you rather have Conley and Gasol, who are past their prime, just to get the 8th seed at best? Or would you rather have two top 5 picks in the draft next year? I'd take the draft picks any day of the week.

Those are not two guaranteed top 5 picks though, and Conley and Gasol are known quality already.

 

[Minstrel]

How? They shed salary and end up with two top 5 picks next year.

They're getting one high pick. Counting their own pick when they bottom out is silly. It's like saying, "Trading Gasol and Conley for nothing to a team with cap space is a great deal for Memphis! They get a top-five draft pick."

The actual trade return is terrible for two high level players. What they get for tanking doesn't count as part of the trade--first they need to get equal value, then it's up to them to also factor in things like how it would affect their own draft prospects.

 

[Sarni]

They're getting one high pick. Counting their own pick when they bottom out is silly. It's like saying, "Trading Gasol and Conley for nothing to a team with cap space is a great deal for Memphis! They get a top-five draft pick."

The actual trade return is terrible for two high level players. What they get for tanking doesn't count as part of the trade--first they need to get equal value, then it's up to them to also factor in things like how it would affect their own draft prospects.

Yeah I am not a fan of including your own pick becoming higher as a return you get from trade. You need to look for actual assets someone will give you.

It kind of worked out for Sacramento when they traded Cousins but a) they would have lost their own pick otherwise, b) they also got a #6 overall pick from previous draft and a #10 pick in the following draft.

Plus as I said, not that sure about Brooklyn's pick. I think Atlanta, Chicago and Indiana are all so much worse this season they could end up beneath them comfortably.

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah I am not a fan of including your own pick becoming higher as a return you get from trade. You need to look for actual assets someone will give you.

It kind of worked out for Sacramento when they traded Cousins but a) they would have lost their own pick otherwise, b) they also got a #6 overall pick from previous draft and a #10 pick in the following draft.

Plus as I said, not that sure about Brooklyn's pick. I think Atlanta, Chicago and Indiana are all so much worse this season they could end up beneath them comfortably.

Indiana's underrated

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

That's the best Cleveland could do? Thomas, Crowder, Zizic and a pick? Lol.

They got an all-star, cheap versatile upper echelon role player, a young center with potential, and a likely top 5 pick... nothing to laugh about there

 

[Scalma]

They got an all-star, cheap versatile upper echelon role player, a young center with potential, and a likely top 5 pick... nothing to laugh about there

An all star who's probably a rental, a role player on a soon to be rebuilding team, a center whos shown nothing, not even in summer league, and a pick that's still TBD. I can play this game too.

 

[THE HCP]

An all star who's probably a rental, a role player on a soon to be rebuilding team, a center whos shown nothing, not even in summer league, and a pick that's still TBD. I can play this game too.

You just like arguing don't you? Take a few months off and join us again when you turn 16 kid.

 

[THE HCP]

Looks like Schumpert has now asked for a trade......this is going to get ugly I think.

 

[Sarni]

I don't think you can say Cavs got a bad deal here. IT's contract is just a year shorter than Irving's.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think you can say Cavs got a bad deal here. IT's contract is just a year shorter than Irving's.

I don't think Cleveland got a bad deal, but I think people are overstating it when they suggest that Cleveland killed Boston. Thomas is three years older and tiny--he's not just a "small guard," he's six inches shorter than a small guard like Lillard. Would you feel comfortable giving hm a 5 year deal worth ~$200M as he heads into his 30s, considering he's an outlier in terms of small size? I sure wouldn't. And if they don't, it's a one year rental. And that doesn't even touch on last year being by far the best year of Thomas' career--what if he regresses even a little?

There's a reason that Boston had to surrender the Nets pick--Thomas is a far, far riskier and thus less valuable asset than Irving. A role-player like Crowder and a lottery ticket like Zizic didn't make up the difference in value between the two players.

Obviously, the deal could end up being incredible for Cleveland if everything turns up roses--if they do sign Thomas to that deal and he's a star for 6 more years, and the Nets pick turns into a good or great player. But, in that case, they'll have taken on the risk and won. Fair play since those same risks could also go against them.

 

[Cippy91]

I know people around here aren't huge fans of Durant but I happen to be and here is one part of a podcast with bill simmons he did the other day, 2nd part is out sunday. Some good stuff in here

 

[PDXFonz]

I know people around here aren't huge fans of Durant but I happen to be and here is one part of a podcast with bill simmons he did the other day, 2nd part is out sunday. Some good stuff in here

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[Cippy91]

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how rude

 

[Cippy91]

 

[Strenuus]

lol, so bad.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Not that this guy has the best reputation but:

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[theprunetang]

Yeah, good luck with that.

 

[JDC]

Yeah, good luck with that.

Yeah if they want Tatum/Brown, I'd sub out the Nets pick for their own pick.

If they don't say yes to that, it's no deal imo.

 

[JDC]

Shabazz Muhammad may have just found his new team.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

@Blazer4ever may have just found his new team, too.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Let's say that the Pelicans are really hoping to make the playoffs this year, and feel like loss of Hill will severely impact that possibility. Would you be willing to deal Aminu to them in a cost saving move, with the condition that they also take Nicholson? Due to the restrictions on dealing Nicholson, this would have to be done in two separate deals.





Net effect of these two deals would save the Blazers $3.5M this year and over $17M overall (not counting tax savings), as well as net them another young asset in Diallo, but would definitely weaken the team this year, while strengthening a competitor for playoff positioning. Given the opportunity, however, it would seem to be a relatively shrewd move to make.

 

[dviss1]

Let's say that the Pelicans are really hoping to make the playoffs this year, and feel like loss of Hill will severely impact that possibility. Would you be willing to deal Aminu to them in a cost saving move, with the condition that they also take Nicholson? Due to the restrictions on dealing Nicholson, this would have to be done in two separate deals.

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Net effect of these two deals would save the Blazers $3.5M this year and over $17M overall (not counting tax savings), as well as net them another young asset in Diallo, but would definitely weaken the team this year, while strengthening a competitor for playoff positioning. Given the opportunity, however, it would seem to be a relatively shrewd move to make.

I'd rather Keep Aminu. I'd do the 2nd deal but Nicholson is a PF. How does that help them?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Net effect of these two deals would save the Blazers $3.5M this year and over $17M overall (not counting tax savings), as well as net them another young asset in Diallo, but would definitely weaken the team this year, while strengthening a competitor for playoff positioning. Given the opportunity, however, it would seem to be a relatively shrewd move to make.

Not having to stretch Nicolson would "save us" some $$$ as well, depending on how you look at it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'd rather Keep Aminu. I'd do the 2nd deal but Nicholson is a PF. How does that help them?

Obviously it wouldn't. Them taking Nicholson would be the cost of acquiring Aminu.

 

[BonesJones]

no. I'm not an Aminu fan but that's a backwards step if I've ever seen one.

If anything, send him and Nicholson to Cleveland for Shumpert.

This makes sense because Shumpert wants out and could replace Crabbe, we save $3M, and CLE needs a backup PF. Aminu, Crowder, and Lebron gives them 3 defenders that can do a good job guarding PG through PF.

 

[dviss1]

no. I'm not an Aminu fan but that's a backwards step if I've ever seen one.

If anything, send him and Nicholson to Cleveland for Shumpert.

This makes sense because Shumpert wants out and could replace Crabbe, we save $3M, and CLE needs a backup PF. Aminu, Crowder, and Lebron gives them 3 defenders that can do a good job guarding PG through PF.

Ugh... Shumpert doesn't play well for me on 2K.

 

[BonesJones]

Ugh... Shumpert doesn't play well for me on 2K.

Well would you rather have J.R. Smith? I wouldn't.