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I had nothing to do and saw there was a replay of extremely high scoring Denver v Milwaukee game available so I watched it.

Nuggets have quietly built a very good team there. They are a proper small forward away from having a very bright future. Murray, Harris and Jokic are a great foundation to build on and entire starting 5 can shoot threes very well which is extremely impressive. Will be interesting to see how they build but they feel a bit like Warriors before they were ridiculous - two great shooters in the backcourt, a big from second round with great playmaking skills, an experienced free agent star (though he doesn't play now). Their defence needs to improve though but I like their outlook for the near future.

Wasting that pick on Mudiay will set them back a little but then again players that went after him, including Booker, would not have addressed the biggest issues they seem to have and would mostly only add to the riches.
So Murray and Harris compare to Steph and
Klay? Millsap compares to Durant?

That core will never be good enough defensively. It starts with the man in the middle, and Jokic is a seive.
 
The goal isn't to make them happy, the goal is to discourage tanking.

Just my own personal opinion, but the league would do better by rewarding those losing teams in some way. Just saying, "we aren't going to reward you as much for sucking" isn't going to be much of a deterrent. A lot of these teams are run badly by people who would rather save a few bucks and still jack it in after a certain point in the season. Maybe having the equivalent of a Rule 5 draft for players for G league players or NBA bench players around the league would be way to encourage teams of a certain market size (if they reached a certain winning percentage.) But telling teams it's bad to not tank in a league that is currently dominated by just a few teams is the height of arrogance. And I honestly think Silver is looking for ways outside of the draft as the future of the league. I think it's why he's putting so much stock in the expansion of the G league itself.
 
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Just my own personal opinion, but the league would do better by rewarding those losing teams in some way. Just saying, "we aren't going to reward you as much for sucking" isn't going to be much of a deterrent. A lot of these teams are run badly by people who would rather save a few bucks and still jack it in after a certain point in the season. Maybe having the equivalent of a Rule 5 draft for players for G league players or NBA bench players around the league would be way to encourage teams of a certain market size (if they reached a certain winning percentage.) But telling teams it's bad to not tank in a league that is currently dominated by just a few teams is the height of arrogance. And I honestly think Silver is looking for ways outside of the draft as the future of the league. I think it's why he's putting so much stock in the expansion of the G league itself.
The logistics of a Rule 5 type draft would be too tricky.

They need to give teams 1-22 (All non 2nd round participants) odds, with the top team having something like a 15% chance to win. Draw for the top 10 teams instead of top 3.

5 Worst Teams Have a 58.9% chance of getting a top
Teams 6-9 Have a 22.7% chance at the top pick
Teams 10-14 have a 12.4% chance at the top pick
Playoff teams have a 6% chance at a top pick

1 - 15%
2 - 13.2%
3 - 11.6%
4 - 10.2%
5 - 8.8%
6 - 7.4%
7 - 6.2%
8 - 5.1%
9 - 4%
10 - 3.1%
11 - 2.7%
12 - 2.4%
13 - 2.2%
14 - 2%
15 - 1.4%
16 - 1.2%
17 - 1.0%
18 - 0.8%
19 - 0.6%
20 - 0.4%
21 - 0.3%
22 - 0.2%

I think that's enough to discourage tanking, while still maintaining parity.
 
So Murray and Harris compare to Steph and
Klay? Millsap compares to Durant?

That core will never be good enough defensively. It starts with the man in the middle, and Jokic is a seive.

Obviously they are all worse and lesser talents (although Harris v Thompson is IMO not that far in terms of ultimate potential), but they play like mini-Warriors, they space the floor very well and Jokic is far better than any center Golden State have had recently. I had Iguodala not Durant on my mind with Millsap though, obviously they are far from being able to attract a Durant but Golden State before Durant were already a fantastic side. It really is a similar team in terms of how it has grown, and I've seen a comparison of 2017-18 Nuggets to 2013-14 Warriors and it made sense. Of course the chance of them becoming a 70+ win team are basically close to zero, but it's not the point.

They could end up being a great offensive team with average defense, although if they start playing team defense better it might get to a point where it doesn't hurt them nearly as much as it might if they don't address the issue. The balance they have on their offense is already spectacular, some of the plays from that Milwaukee game and the previous ones that I've seen were out of this world and a pure joy to watch.

Lyles has also been great for them and is young enough to improve a lot.

I'm not really talking them up as a short-term contender, more as a team who will play very fun basketball for several years to come and at some point might be in championship conversations. When Murray, Harris, Lyles and Jokic hit their peak, Warriors stars will be past their best already. Philadelphia have better outlook for the next decade because of their much superior defense but on the other hand, there aren't any major issues with the health of any of Nuggets prime talents while there are obviously question marks over how long Embiid can sustain high level play without getting hurt. Simmons is on a completely different level to anyone in this conversation though, and if he adds a shot to his game (and he will add a shot, I am confident of that), he will be unplayable.

They seem to have the same issues as us though, i.e. great backcourt but not amazing wings, plenty of money locked into players who are not going to elevate them to a contender (Millsap, IMO it wasn't a great deal, Faried etc.), although our backcourt is better (but also much older) and our center is worse offensive (but superior defensively). Neither of us have any hope at small forward, and both of us seem to have several ways to address the power forward issue but Denver has it better.
 
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Obviously they are all worse and lesser talents (although Harris v Thompson is IMO not that far in terms of ultimate potential), but they play like mini-Warriors, they space the floor very well and Jokic is far better than any center Golden State have had recently. I had Iguodala not Durant on my mind with Millsap though, obviously they are far from being able to attract a Durant but Golden State before Durant were already a fantastic side. It really is a similar team in terms of how it has grown, and I've seen a comparison of 2017-18 Nuggets to 2013-14 Warriors and it made sense. Of course the chance of them becoming a 70+ win team are basically close to zero, but it's not the point.

They could end up being a great offensive team with average defense, although if they start playing team defense better it might get to a point where it doesn't hurt them nearly as much as it might if they don't address the issue. The balance they have on their offense is already spectacular, some of the plays from that Milwaukee game and the previous ones that I've seen were out of this world and a pure joy to watch.

Lyles has also been great for them and is young enough to improve a lot.

I'm not really talking them up as a short-term contender, more as a team who will play very fun basketball for several years to come and at some point might be in championship conversations. When Murray, Harris, Lyles and Jokic hit their peak, Warriors stars will be past their best already. Philadelphia have better outlook for the next decade because of their much superior defense but on the other hand, there aren't any major issues with the health of any of Nuggets prime talents while there are obviously question marks over how long Embiid can sustain high level play without getting hurt. Simmons is on a completely different level to anyone in this conversation though, and if he adds a shot to his game (and he will add a shot, I am confident of that), he will be unplayable.

They seem to have the same issues as us though, i.e. great backcourt but not amazing wings, plenty of money locked into players who are not going to elevate them to a contender (Millsap, IMO it wasn't a great deal, Faried etc.), although our backcourt is better (but also much older) and our center is worse offensive (but superior defensively). Neither of us have any hope at small forward, and both of us seem to have several ways to address the power forward issue but Denver has it better.
I don't see one future all-star level player on their team other than Jokic. They have no depth. They don't have Kerr.

Warriors before Kerr is what I'd expect. No better though.
 
I don't see one future all-star level player on their team other than Jokic. They have no depth. They don't have Kerr.

Warriors before Kerr is what I'd expect. No better though.

Probably. It's still going to be plenty fun for their fans to watch this team going forward, and maybe one of the next two drafts will bring them talent to compete. They could have had Mitchell last year if they hadn't traded him (he wouldn't fit there though).

Philadelphia will be properly insane. Their role in 2018 draft has been largely neglected but it's likely they will have something like no. 9 and no. 22 or so this year. They could address a few issues. Also, Trae Young has been falling so maybe they will be able to get him in the end - that would be nuts because he might be exactly the player they need.

Its a shame for them they lost that Kings pick though (unless it falls no. 1).
 
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Damn.....Cuban straight admitting he is going to tank. Adam Silver on LINE 1
 
I'm sure Adam Silver loves this:


https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story...avericks-will-never-tank-an-nba-season-112816

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“Haters gonna hate. We think that you always compete,” Cuban said,via ESPN. “If you're competing when the league is better, like it is this year, if you don't do well, you'll be in a position to get a good pick. Which, remember, even if you have the worst record in the NBA, there's a 75 percent chance you're not going to get the top pick. … That's not good odds. You'll get a top-three pick … but there's no good reason to tank unless you think that there's three difference-makers. Not just All-Stars, but difference-makers.

I guess he thinks that there's at least three "difference-makers" in this year's draft. He may well be right.
 
At least he's open about it to his customers. Make the plan clear. Don't dupe people into buying season tix.

But they've already bought their season tickets for the year. That's a huge hit for the following year if he doesn't want people to renew them.
 

That and Hakeem absolutely dominated the 1995 NBA playoffs against David Robinson (his MVP year) and the Spurs in the WCF, then against Shaq and the Magic in the Finals.

I swear he saved his best basketball for the playoffs that year. He pulled out every offensive move against his opponents and they could not keep up with him.
 
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Sacrilegious! SABAS!

Sabas plays for the ENEMY. I'm in FUCK RUSSIA mode right now. :devilwink:

He didn't play his best years against the best competition so I give him a demerit for that.

I don't know how I forgot about Olajuwon... :doh:

But Dirk? Dirk beat LeBron in the finals. :smiley-hvala:
 
This basketball withdrawal is maddening. Hope this rest period actually helps these guys
 
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