Were discussing trade packages at the time the deal was made. KP saw Oladipos talent, and hebhas/had more than CJ. Sabonis was also a year off of being the 11th pick, so he was more valueable than the 26th pick.
CJ had more value than Oladipo that summer as he was coming off his best shooting season of his career (48, 42, 91). Oladipo signed a similar extension and was coming off a mediocre season in OKC and hadn't done much as the man in Orlando either. It is absolute hindsight to say Oladipo had more or even the same trade value. CJ was untouchable at the time so we'll never know if Indy would've taken that offer.
Wasn't Mitchell the 12th pick? Or are you saying they traded Lyles and the 24th pick for Mitchell? (just making sure I'm reading it right).
Mitchell was the 13th pick by Denver. They traded him to Utah for Lyles and the 24th pick.
Wow you’re right. All this time I thought Utah got him at 12 or something. Im stupid. lol
I agree. And i know exactly what you were discussing. My point is that Olapido is dealing with a serious knee injury right now. CJ is healthy. Also the 26th pick is always a question mark. However we got Jake in the second round 47th if i am correct. I would say at this point Jake is having more impact than Sabonis.
So are you discussing anything in regards to the point I was making?
Oladipo is a full inch taller than CJ, has a 3 inch longer wingspan, and a 4 inch taller standing reach.
So let's compare starters with end of the bench guys?...given Sabonis role with Indiana I think Jake would have had at least as much impact..Sabonis never thrilled me with his game but he is improving. Sabonis has much more court time to be impactful
I thought he was shorter..
What are you arguing? He said Jake has more impact than Sabonis. I disagree. If you think Sabonis is a starter (he's not) and Jake is an end of the bench guy (he's not) then why are you arguing for a statement saying Jake has more impact? It makes absolutely 0 sense.
And he is hurt with knee problems. I'll take CJ. Thanks.
And was healthy and a better player before his injury, which KP foresaw, and made the right trade for. Bad luck doesnt make it the wrong decision at all. Even if you think it was wrong, that doesnt matter.
Yes, we could have.
It's discussed above.
So was Harold Minor. Never happened and Oladipo is no Jordan.
Obviously the latter looking back now but hindsight is 20/20. I think it could be argued that at the time of that trade CJ/1st rounder had more value than Oladipo/Sabonis. I seem to remember a lot of people were surprised at how little value they got for PG. Vic blew up after the trade though and now most would say he’s more valuable than CJ. I think most teams knew Indian was in a bind and only offering complimentary peices, not “stars”, for PG.
I wouldn't mind both the Lakers and Spurs missing the playoffs in lieu of the Clippers and Kings.
That'll work too. Got nothing against SA though, and I think the Clips are stealth tanking to keep their (lotto protected) pick
I'm not so secretly cheering for the kings to get in!
I never believed that. Or said that i did.
They were playing really well just last month. Weird?
I kind of think if CJ was given reins of a team like Olidipo was in Indy he could be fairly equivalent to VO. Probably better on offense, and worse on defense, but VO struggled in OKC, and was underwhelming in Orlando. We haven't seen CJ ever try to be a number one somewhere if he did I think he would excel at it. The difference to me isn't so much in those two players as much as I think Sabonis was a better 2nd asset/piece than what the Blazers were going to give up hypothetically.
Sabonis in his rookie year:
