Exclusive Around the NBA: Forgettable February edition

[handiman]

Cooking MeJ, or bricking MeJ, historically, he hasn't helped win at anywhere near a contender level and doesn't make teammates better. It's not taking Pels fan long to figure that out. It's just unfortunate we had to deal with it for so many years here. Very talented scorer, but that's about it.

Let it go. No one likes a bitter Ex.

 

[TBpup]

Let it go. No one likes a bitter Ex.

Uh....ex? It's what Pelicans fan is complaining about right now.

 

[handiman]

Uh....ex? It's what Pelicans fan is complaining about right now.

You're the one dwelling on it. NOP fans are at worst split on the matter, from what I've read. You're reveling in anything negative you can find.

 

[TBpup]

You're the one dwelling on it. NOP fans are at worst split on the matter, from what I've read. You're reveling in anything negative you can find.

Interesting since I keep saying what a great scorer CJ is. '...reveling in anhthing negative I can find'? Disappointing that you are that wrong, but you're welcome to continue tilting at that windmill if you would like. Enjoy.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Cooking MeJ, or bricking MeJ, historically, he hasn't helped win at anywhere near a contender level and doesn't make teammates better. It's not taking Pels fan long to figure that out. It's just unfortunate we had to deal with it for so many years here. Very talented scorer, but that's about it.

Is Embiid playing at contender level? CJ has won 2nd round playoff series.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

After watching the Skills Contest, all I gotta say is, for the next 10-12 years, Cleveland is going to be a problem. Mobley is scary good and it's only his rookie year. Garland is ridiculous. Then you have Allen, Sexton, etc.

 

[blazerfan11]

Is Embiid playing at contender level? CJ has won 2nd round playoff series.

I didn't notice that. The 76ers are the Chris Paul Clippers of the Eastern Conference. I thought they had made it to the conference finals but they haven't.

 

[Dom McBlazer]

I didn't notice that. The 76ers are the Chris Paul Clippers of the Eastern Conference. I thought they had made it to the conference finals but they haven't.

Appropriate comparison given who's the HC.

 

[blazerfan11]

Appropriate comparison given who's the HC.

I didn't notice that either!

 

[Hoopguru]

UM coach Howard & Wisconsin coach brawl.
If a coached is pissed its best he walks off the court rather than get in another coaches face, after game.

 

[RR7]

UM coach Howard & Wisconsin coach brawl.
If a coached is pissed its best he walks off the court rather than get in another coaches face, after game.

Looked like he was trying to do just that, and the WIsconsin coach grabbed his arm to stop him. Not that I'm excusing Howard.

 

[Dom McBlazer]

So Ja Morant refused to do the dunk contest unless he was paid $1MIL upfront. "It sucks not to have a talent like Morant in the Dunk Contest, but he is not alone among the top young players in wanting to put himself out there and subject himself to inconsistent judging and national scrutiny. Unless you want to give him $1 million."

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/2...nts-1-million-to-participate-in-dunk-contest/

 

[RR7]

Paul out at least 6-8 weeks

 

[Haakzilla]

Paul out at least 6-8 weeks

...sounds like a bowling injury hmmmm, or maybe he is resting up before another championship run!

 

[BigGameDamian]

Paul out at least 6-8 weeks

Goran Dragić Is a free agent.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Goran Dragić Is a free agent.

And a Phoenix legend

 

[wizenheimer]

And a Phoenix legend

I was wondering about that. With Cris Paul out for 6-8 weeks, Dragic to Phoenix makes a lot of sense...unless he's injured too

 

[RR7]

He signed with Brooklyn

 

[wizenheimer]

He signed with Brooklyn

didn't see that.

Suns do have Payne and Payton at PG. Neither will be close to CP3 though. I would expect Warriors to close the gap for #1 seed, but a 6.5 game lead with 23 games left is pretty substantial, Suns have a much easier schedule than Warriors too

 

[illmatic99]

didn't see that.

Suns do have Payne and Payton at PG. Neither will be close to CP3 though. I would expect Warriors to close the gap for #1 seed, but a 6.5 game lead with 23 games left is pretty substantial, Suns have a much easier schedule than Warriors too

they also traded for aaron holiday at the deadline.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm pretty sure more than half of this place was really unhappy with that deal because of the plan to replace Gary at SF with a smaller Powell and because so many of us had become fans of Gary and had nothing invested in Norm. Pretty much everyone was ecstatic and should have been when Norm re-signed and did so on such a team friendly contract because a lot of us were really worried that Norm would bolt and we would have traded a guy we really loved in Gary for nothing.

Also weren't you at Blazers Edge when that trade went down?

This isnt accurate as i recall. Everyone was happy. No one thought norm would be rhe permanent three. We all thought it meant Cj would be traded in the offseason when norm signed that contract. Go read the norm contract thread.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

This isnt accurate as i recall. Everyone was happy. No one thought norm would be rhe permanent three. We all thought it meant Cj would be traded in the offseason when norm signed that contract. Go read the norm contract thread.

Of course it isn't accurate. He even threw the "Blazers Edge' comment in there when this moniker has never been at Blazers Edge. Yes i had a different name and was posting there many years ago but there was no way for him to know that.
This place was very happy with the trade and as a matter of fact they were trashing Gary Trent for shooting too much and failing to play defense. They also were saying his attitude was poor when he was on the bench.
This Forum was extremely happy with the Powell pick up and even more happy when he signed here. Yes, you are correct that most were thinking CJ would be traded in the off season.
At least that is the way I remember it.

 

[blazerkor]

Of course it isn't accurate. He even threw the "Blazers Edge' comment in there when this moniker has never been at Blazers Edge. Yes i had a different name and was posting there many years ago but there was no way for him to know that.
This place was very happy with the trade and as a matter of fact they were trashing Gary Trent for shooting too much and failing to play defense. They also were saying his attitude was poor when he was on the bench.
This Forum was extremely happy with the Powell pick up and even more happy when he signed here. Yes, you are correct that most were thinking CJ would be traded in the off season.
At least that is the way I remember it.

Maybe I'm projecting what I thought at the time and read others agreeing with on more people in here than really were unhappy with the move. The Blazers Edge comment was because I thought I remembered you showing up in the massive political correctness exodus from that forum and commenting on how whack that place had gotten. Maybe I'm misremembering that too.

I should have just said that I was really unhappy with the trade at the time and there were people on here that agreed. We had Gary's rights as a RFA, he had higher ceiling and I never trusted Neil would trade CJ. For fucking sure I was wrong to be excited when Norm signed that deal because we basically got nothing in return for him while the Raptors have Gary as one of the league leaders in steals and shooting damn near 40% from three... and still with a bunch of upside.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Maybe I'm projecting what I thought at the time and read others agreeing with on more people in here than really were unhappy with the move. The Blazers Edge comment was because I thought I remembered you showing up in the massive political correctness exodus from that forum and commenting on how whack that place had gotten. Maybe I'm misremembering that too.

I should have just said that I was really unhappy with the trade at the time and there were people on here that agreed. We had Gary's rights as a RFA, he had higher ceiling and I never trusted Neil would trade CJ. For fucking sure I was wrong to be excited when Norm signed that deal because we basically got nothing in return for him while the Raptors have Gary as one of the league leaders in steals and shooting damn near 40% from three... and still with a bunch of upside.

Well i suppose we can cry over the loss of our ex gf’s, or continue the search for the bride to be.
Trents old news with an old GM. I, for one, am more excited to see how we come out of the gate post all star, than I am beating a dead horse of old, regardless of the history and who thought what.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[DaLong]

Probably been answered a million times but what ever happened to OKC's talent? They went from having Durant, Westbrook, and Harden to...did they get anything out of that? Any real potential going on? Or just nah?

 

[Chris Craig]

Probably been answered a million times but what ever happened to OKC's talent? They went from having Durant, Westbrook, and Harden to...did they get anything out of that? Any real potential going on? Or just nah?

They have a lot of picks, so who knows

Also Shai Gilgeous Alexander and Dort are pretty good, not to mention rookie Josh Giddey.

They have potential stars

They got back more than we did, though we still have Dame

 

[Fairly-Hard]

They have a lot of picks, so who knows

Also Shai Gilgeous Alexander and Dort are pretty good, not to mention rookie Josh Giddey.

They have potential stars

They got back more than we did, though we still have Dame

OKC is gonna be the Suns in two years.

 

[wizenheimer]

Probably been answered a million times but what ever happened to OKC's talent? They went from having Durant, Westbrook, and Harden to...did they get anything out of that? Any real potential going on? Or just nah?

it's complicated:

* Durant left in free agency, so nothing for that





























I didn't follow the trail of all the lesser players they traded for, then traded away for 2nd round picks and/or TPE's. I also didn't follow the trail of what OKC got for the TPE's they landed in trades and then subsequently moved

as of right now, all of their wheeling-dealing has yielded SGA, Tre Mann, and Pokusevski. They also became a major member of the tank brigade by trading away talent and getting high lottery picks. So far, that has yielded Giddey and Bazely (Bazely came with a 2nd in a draft day trade of Brandon Clarke)

but mainly, all that talent was mortgaged for future draft picks. Near as I can tell, between now and 2027 (6 drafts), OKC has 18 first round picks and 2 swap options (includes their own 1st's). And between now and 2028, they have 16 2nd round picks (their own included):


2022 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City (via Houston) protected for selections 1-16 in 2022, 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021]


2022 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2022 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]


2022 first round draft pick from Phoenix
Phoenix's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-12 in 2022, 1-10 in 2023 and 1-8 in 2024 and unprotected in 2025 [Oklahoma City-Phoenix, 11/16/2020]


2023 first round draft pick from Denver
Denver's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Denver has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2025, then Denver will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick and 2026 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020]


2023 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers (swap, Oklahoma City outgoing)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2023 1st round pick for the L.A. Clippers' 2023 1st round pick [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]


2023 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City (via Houston) protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021]


2023 second round draft pick from Dallas or Miami (more favorable)
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick (Oklahoma City may convey this pick to New York (see Oklahoma City Outgoing)); Boston will receive the more favorable of (i) Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 31-32 and (ii) the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three (via Miami to Dallas; via Memphis' right to swap Dallas or Miami for Houston); if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Boston will be extinguished and Boston will instead receive the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Indiana will instead receive the Houston pick [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]; Boston may convey this pick to San Antonio (see Boston Outgoing)


2023 second round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 2023 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City (via New Orleans) [New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020]; Oklahoma City may convey this pick to New York (see Oklahoma City Outgoing)


2024 first round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2024 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019]


2024 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2024 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]


2024 first round draft pick from Utah
At least two years after Utah conveys a 1st round pick to Memphis or in 2026 if this pick is not conveyed to Memphis, Utah's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-10 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026 (if Utah has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, then Utah's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished) [Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 1/4/2022]


2024 second round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 2024 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City (via New Orleans) [Charlotte-New Orleans, 11/19/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020]


2024 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2024 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Minnesota-New York-Oklahoma City, 11/20/2020]


2025 first round draft pick from Houston or L.A. Clippers (swap, Oklahoma City outgoing to Houston, L.A. Clippers or Brooklyn)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2025 1st round pick for Houston's 2025 1st round pick protected for selections 1-10 or the L.A. Clippers' 2025 1st round pick; Houston then has the right to swap its pick or the Oklahoma City pick for Brooklyn's 2025 1st round pick; if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished and Houston will instead receive the more favorable of its pick and the Brooklyn pick and Brooklyn will receive the less favorable of the two [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]


2025 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City (via L.A. Clippers) protected for selections 1-14 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 [L.A. Clippers-Miami, 7/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Miami-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2022]


2025 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Philadelphia-Oklahoma City, 12/8/2020]


2025 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Oklahoma City, 11/24/2020]


2025 second round draft pick from Boston or Memphis (more favorable)
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Boston's 2025 2nd round pick and Memphis' 2025 2nd round pick and Orlando will receive the less favorable of the two (via Memphis to Boston) [Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Boston-Orlando, 3/25/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021]


2025 second round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]


2026 first round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2026 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019]


2026 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2026 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]


2026 second round draft pick from Dallas and/or Philadelphia (two most favorable of these and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City outgoing to Miami)
Oklahoma City will receive the two most favorable of its 2026 2nd round pick, Dallas' 2026 2nd round pick and Philadelphia's 2026 2nd round pick and Miami will receive the least favorable of the three (via Oklahoma City) [Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021; Miami-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2022]


2027 second round draft picks from Houston, Indiana and/or Miami (three most favorable of these and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City outgoing to San Antonio)
Oklahoma City will receive the three most favorable of its 2027 2nd round pick, Houston's 2027 2nd round pick, Indiana's 2027 2nd round pick and Miami's 2027 2nd round pick and San Antonio will receive the least favorable of the four (via Houston to Detroit to Oklahoma City; via Utah to San Antonio) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Detroit-Oklahoma City, 3/13/2021; Indiana-Oklahoma City, 11/25/2020; Miami-Oklahoma City, 3/17/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Portland-San Antonio-Utah, 2/9/2022]


2028 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2028 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 1/4/2022]

 

[Chris Craig]

4 players and three picks for Adams

4 1sts for Paul

Damn