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Natebishop3 said:
I wonder if there's any way to try to work out a sign and trade for Hayward. The Jazz definitely don't want to lose him for nothing.

The Celts are trying to sign Hayward and trade for George, so it would be hard for them to put together a package for both.

The Heat don't have shit to trade. Not really. Not if they want to stay competitive.

We have some decent assets that we could send them, if he would go for it.
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The only way a sign-and-trade could happen, really, is if Portland is the place Hayward wanted to go. Even if Portland had cap space to sign him outright, how likely do you consider it that he'd choose Portland? If he'd prefer to go to Miami or Boston, they can simply sign him outright (Boston, I think, needs to shuffle one or two tradeable players, Miami I believe has ~$35M in cap space).
 
Minstrel said:
The only way a sign-and-trade could happen, really, is if Portland is the place Hayward wanted to go. Even if Portland had cap space to sign him outright, how likely do you consider it that he'd choose Portland? If he'd prefer to go to Miami or Boston, they can simply sign him outright (Boston, I think, needs to shuffle one or two tradeable players, Miami I believe has ~$35M in cap space).
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We also have to be under the tax apron. Which i believe we aren't close to right now.

In other words, there is absolutely no way in hell it will happen.

Rightfully so. If he signs with boston outright, they have a substantially higher chance of getting to the finals than we do. And you know, his old college coach.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I wonder if there's any way to try to work out a sign and trade for Hayward. The Jazz definitely don't want to lose him for nothing.

The Celts are trying to sign Hayward and trade for George, so it would be hard for them to put together a package for both.

The Heat don't have shit to trade. Not really. Not if they want to stay competitive.

We have some decent assets that we could send them, if he would go for it.
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The problem is Hayward's already developed and the Blazers like developing youth.
 
Sounds like the sixers are trying to sign Covington to an extension this offseason. I was sort of hoping somehow Simmons was going to take his role and they would make him available in trade talks. Imo he is one of the most underrated players in the league. 24 yr old with elite athleticism, plays great defense, decent 3 pt shooter. Would have loved his fit for us.

Wonder if there is anything we have that would entice them to trade him.
 
Looks like the luxury tax line is gonna be about $122 million. Apron is $4ish million above that.

So after cutting ezeli we are at like $130 million.

So not terribly far off. But still have to unload someone.
 
AFully22 said:
Sounds like the sixers are trying to sign Covington to an extension this offseason. I was sort of hoping somehow Simmons was going to take his role and they would make him available in trade talks. Imo he is one of the most underrated players in the league. 24 yr old with elite athleticism, plays great defense, decent 3 pt shooter. Would have loved his fit for us.

Wonder if there is anything we have that would entice them to trade him.
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He finished fourth in DPotY award voting. Combined with competent three-point shooting, he's probably a pretty big part of their core. I'm sure he's not untouchable, but I doubt he's underrated by the 76ers. I don't think Portland has any assets that would approach his value once you take Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic off the table.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I wonder if there's any way to try to work out a sign and trade for Hayward. The Jazz definitely don't want to lose him for nothing.

The Celts are trying to sign Hayward and trade for George, so it would be hard for them to put together a package for both.

The Heat don't have shit to trade. Not really. Not if they want to stay competitive.

We have some decent assets that we could send them, if he would go for it.
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Despite the difficulties already mentioned, I like what you're thinking! Not something that had been mentioned before! But after seeing it happen with CP3, it's fun to think of scenarios that would work for us.

Neil could sell him on being able to beat his old team - a Division rival - four times a season! If he holds any ill will towards UTH this could be a minor selling point. Also, sell him on how much more it means to play in the West than the East - the East is for pansies. Finally, compare the build of the Blazers (with Hayward) to the Sheed Era Pistons, and the Warriors to the Lakers - beautiful team basketball dismantling the uber-stars of the league! It's a tough sell, but give it a shot!

If we're as close to the apron as mentioned, surely there's a GM that owes Neil a favor and will trade a 2nd for Ed Davis. And then UTH would have to LOVE getting Crabbe/Meyers (!), rather than nothing! (Okay, maybe they wouldn't...but maybe Crabbe/Aminu, and certainly Crabbe/Harkless would get them to sign off.)
 
BigGameDamian said:
The problem is Hayward's already developed and the Blazers like developing youth.
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Yes, that's EXACTLY why we won't go after Gordon Hayward. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that we are so far over the salary cap the most we can offer him is the taxpayer mid level exception. Come one Neil, work your magic! Earn your paycheck!

What kind off GM are you if you can't convince Hayward to come here for a deal starting at $3.581 million a year when Miami, with all their sunshine, pretty girls and lack of state income tax can offer him a contract starting at $29.7 million a year? Fucking slacker! So what if it rains. So what if our state income tax is 9%. You'd be a great fit next to Dame, C.J., Nurk and Collins and the fans would love you here (well, except for the ones that hate white, American born players).

Not interested? Really? Fuck you loser, I hope you get a really bad sunburn. So bad it peels! Yeah, take that asshole. That's OK, we didn't want you anyway. You're already developed!!!

BNM
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Looks like the luxury tax line is gonna be about $122 million. Apron is $4ish million above that.

So after cutting ezeli we are at like $130 million.

So not terribly far off. But still have to unload someone.
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After trading Quarteman and renouncing Ezeli, we're at about $134.6 million - not counting our rookie cap holds. If we also renounce Connaughton, we'd be just a hair under $133 million. plus roughly $4.5 million in cap holds for our two first round picks. That's right around $137.5 million.

Based on the latest salary cap projection of $99 million, the luxury tax threshold is $119 million and the apron is $123 million. We're basically $18.5 million over the tax threshold, or $14.5 million over the apron. We need to shed either Crabbe or Turner or a combination of two contracts without taking back much, or any salary in return just to get under the apron.

Crabbe for a future draft pick (i.e. no incoming salary) is the only single contract that gets us under the luxury tax threshold. That assumes we also cut loose Patty C and the team we are trading with is at least $21.275 million under the cap due to Cabbe's trade kicker.

BNM
 
Rubio is a solid player on a team that has plenty of shooting. He's a brilliant passer and very good defender. I don't know if Utah will have that kind of shooting around him, though.
 
Minstrel said:
Rubio is a solid player on a team that has plenty of shooting. He's a brilliant passer and very good defender. I don't know if Utah will have that kind of shooting around him, though.
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Crabbe is available
 
I swear, Rubio has been traded more times than Blake has signed with the Blazers.
 
yuyuza1 said:
This july 1 thing is such a farce. No way Minny does this without a guarantee of Lowry, Rondo, Rose or Holiday coming to the Wolves
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I'm sure the players are talking to each other and relaying it to the gms lol
 
Rubio and Gobert is a fantastic defensive duo both inside and outside, btw
 
handiman said:
I swear, Rubio has been traded more times than Blake has signed with the Blazers.
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tester551 said:
What? This is the first time he was traded. He was drafted by the Wolves.
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I think the joke is that there are constantly reports that Rubio is going to be traded to one team or another. This would be the first time one of those reports actually came through, but he's probably been linked to half the teams in the league.
 
Minstrel said:
Rubio is a solid player on a team that has plenty of shooting. He's a brilliant passer and very good defender. I don't know if Utah will have that kind of shooting around him, though.
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Especially of they lose Hayward...

BNM
 
A lotto protected (via OKC) pick?!

Utah fleeced Minny. A mid/late first rounder you hope is as good as Rubio.
 
We need a playmaker/defender from our bench unit and Rubio is a better version of Livingston - broken jumper and all.

Neil should've been all over this with our pick.
 
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