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Boston showed yet again that basketball is a team game... Philly has the big name stars yet the Celtics dominated the series. That ass clown Neil Olshey rufuses to trade CJ even though him and Dame do not fit together... you can’t look at any CJ trade as who got the best individual player... it’s more about the sum of all parts... that egomaniac Neil needs to wake up and realize that 2 undersized ISO ball chuckers making half the salary cap is doomed to fail
 
I find it very telling that Brad Stevens didn't get ONE vote from his fellow coaches for coach of the year. Jealous much? Or maybe it's an NBA thing and they're mad because he came from College BBall? Because it's fucking obvious that he's the best coach in the league.

On another note, are Simmons, Mitchell and Tatum the best trio of rookies since LeBron, Carmelo and Wade?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I find it very telling that Brad Stevens didn't get ONE vote from his fellow coaches for coach of the year. Jealous much? Or maybe it's an NBA thing and they're mad because he came from College BBall? Because it's fucking obvious that he's the best coach in the league.

On another note, are Simmons, Mitchell and Tatum the best trio of rookies since LeBron, Carmelo and Wade?
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Sixers could have Simmons and Tatum but selected the cheerleader Fultz
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I find it very telling that Brad Stevens didn't get ONE vote from his fellow coaches for coach of the year. Jealous much? Or maybe it's an NBA thing and they're mad because he came from College BBall? Because it's fucking obvious that he's the best coach in the league.

On another note, are Simmons, Mitchell and Tatum the best trio of rookies since LeBron, Carmelo and Wade?
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Stotts got more votes then Stevens, that’s how you know somethin’s fucky. I’m pretty sure coaches that come straight from college ball instead of through a coaching tree have it hard amongst other NBA coaches.
 
DDolla said:
Sixers could have Simmons and Tatum but selected the cheerleader Fultz
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Fultz will turn out just fine. I got a feeling that in a years time we won’t be having this conversation about how they should have selected Tatum anymore.
 
Sarni said:
Fultz will turn out just fine. I got a feeling that in a years time we won’t be having this conversation about how they should have selected Tatum anymore.
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I said after game one of the season that Tatum would be rookie of the year. Well he won't win it but he would be perfect in Portland.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I said after game one of the season that Tatum would be rookie of the year. Well he won't win it but he would be perfect in Portland.
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I said before the draft that Tatum was the best player in it and I still stand by it. I also said after the draft that there was a real chance Donovan Mitchell could average 19-20ppg. I got some stuff right with that class.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I find it very telling that Brad Stevens didn't get ONE vote from his fellow coaches for coach of the year. Jealous much? Or maybe it's an NBA thing and they're mad because he came from College BBall? Because it's fucking obvious that he's the best coach in the league.
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My guess is that he's not a kissass at the coaches' meetings. Probably sits by himself, thinking up plays instead of socializing. Unpopular genius.
 
Gronk Brady said:
Boston showed yet again that basketball is a team game... Philly has the big name stars yet the Celtics dominated the series. That ass clown Neil Olshey rufuses to trade CJ even though him and Dame do not fit together... you can’t look at any CJ trade as who got the best individual player... it’s more about the sum of all parts... that egomaniac Neil needs to wake up and realize that 2 undersized ISO ball chuckers making half the salary cap is doomed to fail
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As someone who really doesn't like Olshey, you seem to be consistently pissed. Let it go for now... Take a deep breath for about a month and a half.
 
BonesJones said:
I said before the draft that Tatum was the best player in it and I still stand by it. I also said after the draft that there was a real chance Donovan Mitchell could average 19-20ppg. I got some stuff right with that class.
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Yeah, I also am on record saying that Tatum will be the best player from that draft. Boston picking up an unprotected pick from the Kings and still getting Tatum is just fucking ridiculous. I also nailed most of that draft. I think with the Blazers having 3 1st round picks I did a lot more in depth research than I normally would. It will be fun discussing the draft with you and others on this site this year. The lottery is on Tuesday! I think teams will start making moves after that.
 
DDolla said:
Sixers could have Simmons and Tatum but selected the cheerleader Fultz
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People keep saying that the Sixers could have had Tatum, but remember the CELTICS had the #1 pick and presumably only traded with the Sixers because they knew Tatum would be available at #3. If they thought the Sixers would take Tatum, they probably would've just taken him #1.

Sixers should've stayed put and taken Mitchell. Or so it looks now. Things could change in a couple of years - remember Damon Stoudamire, Tyreke Evans and Michael Carter-Williams all won ROY...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
People keep saying that the Sixers could have had Tatum, but remember the CELTICS had the #1 pick and presumably only traded with the Sixers because they knew Tatum would be available at #3. If they thought the Sixers would take Tatum, they probably would've just taken him #1.

Sixers should've stayed put and taken Mitchell. Or so it looks now. Things could change in a couple of years - remember Damon Stoudamire, Tyreke Evans and Michael Carter-Williams all won ROY...
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Yeah also that. Ainge felt Tatum was the best player in that draft and he would have probably selected him at no. 1 anyway. They were probably starting to prepare the Kyrie Irving trade package around that time so going for Fultz wouldn’t have been good.

Of course nobody was taking Mitchell at no. 3. The highest anyone would have maybe got him would be about 8 and the Knicks. Nobody last year thought he was a better bet than Fultz, Tatum, Ball, Fox, Jackson, Isaac or Markkanen.
 
Sarni said:
Yeah also that. Ainge felt Tatum was the best player in that draft and he would have probably selected him at no. 1 anyway. They were probably starting to prepare the Kyrie Irving trade package around that time so going for Fultz wouldn’t have been good.
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So you're saying that Fultz would have fallen to the Sixers had they remained at 3? That seems dubious to me.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So you're saying that Fultz would have fallen to the Sixers had they remained at 3? That seems dubious to me.
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Maybe Lakers would have taken him if they had the chance instead of Ball. I don’t know. I don’t think Ainge wanted him.
 
Sarni said:
Maybe Lakers would have taken him if they had the chance instead of Ball. I don’t know. I don’t think Ainge wanted him.
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Zero chance of that, IMO. Magic was all about Lonzo weeks before the draft.
 
What I don’t know is why Colangelo moved up to get the number one pick, offering a big package to get it done. If they knew they were going to use Simmons as their playmaker and play him in the backcourt, their was no need to rush to make that move because getting an efficient shooter at the wing (Tatum) would have been as good as getting one in the backcourt (Fultz was perceived as one).
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Zero chance of that, IMO. Magic was all about Lonzo weeks before the draft.
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Well the I think Fultz would have been third to Sixers anyway. I think Ainge is not scared of bold moves and he would have taken a perceive number three at number one pick.
 
Sarni said:
What I don’t know is why Colangelo moved up to get the number one pick, offering a big package to get it done. If they knew they were going to use Simmons as their playmaker and play him in the backcourt, their was no need to rush to make that move because getting an efficient shooter at the wing (Tatum) would have been as good as getting one in the backcourt (Fultz was perceived as one).
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To me, that's just further proof that Philly's success this year is largely blind luck, not planning. (See: Noel/Okafor.) They didn't bring Simmons in to be a PG, as far as I know. It just sort of worked out that way.
 
BonesJones said:
I said before the draft that Tatum was the best player in it and I still stand by it. I also said after the draft that there was a real chance Donovan Mitchell could average 19-20ppg. I got some stuff right with that class.
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Links please.
 
tlongII said:
Ain't nothing about Mitchell in that other than he had him ranked 6th.
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Just the Tatum thing in that post. Must I hand you everything on a silver platter?
 
There’s not a lot of clear instances of teams firing their coach and sorely regretting it a couple years later. Most the time bringing in new eyes and new energy helps the team whether the past coach was good or not. Toronto did what I was hoping we would do, see that a coach like Budenholzer was on the market and fire a good coach in order to hire a better one with a changed philosophy.

Playoffs mater. Casey’s in game adjustments and his teams collapse in the playoffs was his ultimate demise. It’s harsh but I think we saw the Raptors ceiling with Casey and that wasn’t good enough for the front office, kudos to them for setting the bar high.
 
AFully22 said:
There’s not a lot of clear instances of teams firing their coach and sorely regretting it a couple years later. Most the time bringing in new eyes and new energy helps the team whether the past coach was good or not. Toronto did what I was hoping we would do, see that a coach like Budenholzer was on the market and fire a good coach in order to hire a better one with a changed philosophy.

Playoffs mater. Casey’s in game adjustments and his teams collapse in the playoffs was his ultimate demise. It’s harsh but I think we saw the Raptors ceiling with Casey and that wasn’t good enough for the front office, kudos to them for setting the bar high.
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I have nothing against Stotts but I would love it if the Blazers make the change and hire Budenholzer.
 
AFully22 said:
There’s not a lot of clear instances of teams firing their coach and sorely regretting it a couple years later. Most the time bringing in new eyes and new energy helps the team whether the past coach was good or not. Toronto did what I was hoping we would do, see that a coach like Budenholzer was on the market and fire a good coach in order to hire a better one with a changed philosophy.

Playoffs mater. Casey’s in game adjustments and his teams collapse in the playoffs was his ultimate demise. It’s harsh but I think we saw the Raptors ceiling with Casey and that wasn’t good enough for the front office, kudos to them for setting the bar high.
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I think part of that is we only really remember the teams that are really good that make coaching changes. Is it possible that the coach isn't as important as the players developing? If Steph Curry doesn't transform into an MVP level player does it really matter who the coach was? Could Mark Jackson have led that team to a title that next year? Impossible to answer so I see your point about the new eyes but that team also never missed a beat when Kerr was out with health concerns both regular season and playoffs. George Karl had the Nuggets in the playoffs every year and was fired after winning coach of the year. The Nuggets haven't made the playoffs since.

I think the greater question is how far can coaching go? Brad Stevens might be having one of the greatest coaching effects of all time this post season but that team isn't going to win the championship this year. He'd need his full compliment of really talented players to have a chance in the Finals. It will be interesting to see how Toronto does next year. I'll tell you this much though, it would take DeRozan and the rest of the team playing a heck of a lot better than they did in the playoffs to proceed further. I don't know if a new coach can get much more out of that team.

Portland is in a bit of a weird situation. It's possible that hiring someone that is a WAY better playoff coach (Basically a Playoff Coach version of Playoff Rondo) also leads to the Blazers just missing the playoffs because he/she isn't as good with the flow of the regular season and there isn't much separation between teams 3-10 in the West. It's a different sport I know but in 2006 the Chargers fired Marty Schottenheimer coming off a 14-2 season but a disappointing loss in the playoffs. The next year they went 11-5 under Norv Turner and made it all the way to the AFC Championship game. In all but a few years after that they have been pretty mediocre since. A drop off of a few games for the Blazers might result in being on the outside looking in even if they are more equipped for a post season run.

Now I'm not saying that will for sure happen and that they should just never fire Stotts either. My point is just that it isn't as simple as bringing in a new coach leads to teams taking the next step.
 
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