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Can’t believe Philadelphia are on the verge of being swept after being -400 or so favorites before the series started. Nobody gave Celtics a serious chance, coming from a 7-game struggle against the Bucks where they lost all road games to play against a much more cohesive Sixers team that beat Heat easily in the previous round. It’s a testament to the job Brad Stevens has done there. He has this vibe about him right now where you genuinely feel you could give him any line up and he would still win with them.

Last year Celtics had the best record in the East and went to conference finals with IT, Bradley, Crowder, Johnson and Horford. Only Horford has had a truly good season ever since. Guess what he has that the rest of them don’t anymore.
 
CupWizier said:
Reminds me of a funny story but about baseball. This guy was sitting in the stands and all game long was complaining about the balls and strike calls until finally between innings the umpire walks behind the backstop and sits down next to the guy and the guy asks "what are you doing, you're suppose to umpire". The ump replied that the loudmouth seemed to think he had a better view of the strike zone so he thought he would come up into the stands and call it from the same place. The guy shut up the rest of the game.
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I've done that Just in a different way. I asked a guy in the crowd who was complaining about rules he clearly didn't understand:

Could you scoot over and let me sit next to you? You can see everything from your spot! You have the best view in the house!
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You said in essence no one can criticize a Ref unless they go do it. My point is that’s obviously not true.
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No. That was aimed at you specifically. And everyone who liked your clueless post.

I knew based upon the quote alone that it was coming from an uninformed source. Hence my direction to get behind a whistle before you or anyone who liked that post criticised.

The post didn't make sense at all. :dunno:
 
CupWizier said:
Reminds me of a funny story but about baseball. This guy was sitting in the stands and all game long was complaining about the balls and strike calls until finally between innings the umpire walks behind the backstop and sits down next to the guy and the guy asks "what are you doing, you're suppose to umpire". The ump replied that the loudmouth seemed to think he had a better view of the strike zone so he thought he would come up into the stands and call it from the same place. The guy shut up the rest of the game.
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I understand that we all have a different perspective, and they may see things we don't see at the game or on TV. I still believe that offensive players in the NBA are set up to have an advantage over the defender. I believe that certain guys (like Harden), create / initiate and inflict almost all of the contact and still get the benefit of all the calls, and I don't like it. I don't quite understand the attitude that you can only "complain" about the officiating if you've been a ref, but to each there own.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I understand that we all have a different perspective, and they may see things we don't see at the game or on TV. I still believe that offensive players in the NBA are set up to have an advantage over the defender. I believe that certain guys (like Harden), create / initiate and inflict almost all of the contact and still get the benefit of all the calls, and I don't like it. I don't quite understand the attitude that you can only "complain" about the officiating if you've been a ref, but to each there own.
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I'm not part of this argument as I was just relating a little humor of what a friend of mine told me when he umpired a baseball game.
 
dviss1 said:
No. That was aimed at you specifically. And everyone who liked your clueless post.

I knew based upon the quote alone that it was coming from an uninformed source. Hence my direction to get behind a whistle before you or anyone who liked that post criticised.

The post didn't make sense at all. :dunno:
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So basically everyone who disagrees with you, is uninformed, whatever floats your boat. You still haven't actually countered anything I've said with anything other than, "you're uninformed, you wouldn't like it, or that I have to be a ref before I can say anything." Since you believe yourself to be so enlightened on the subject of what others would like why don't you open up your crystal ball and tell me what I want... You haven't offered a single counter to my take that the rules give an advantage to the offensive player. You went straight into everyone who disagree's with you isn't up to par, and have yet to put any substance at all into it. I get it being a ref is hard, that's not what I was arguing. My argument still is that the rules are way too tilted towards the offensive players at this point and I don't like it.
 
dviss1 said:
I've done that Just in a different way. I asked a guy in the crowd who was complaining about rules he clearly didn't understand:

Could you scoot over and let me sit next to you? You can see everything from your spot! You have the best view in the house!
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Hey with the way perspective works there are things that guy on the bench see's that you won't see by chasing the players. Maybe he saw something you didn't. I don't really know why ref's get so defensive about this stuff. When I played I made mistakes, when I work I make mistakes, and people called me out on it all the time (even people who weren't as good as me, or couldn't do my job), that doesn't mean their critique's were wrong. I can guarantee you if you have been a referee for long you've missed calls, or made bad calls it's human natural. This discussion though has nothing to do with how good or how bad a referee is.
I don't like the rules towards offensive players, and yes Harden does regularly barrel into guys and get's ft's out of it. I preferred the NBA with hand-checking. Maybe judging by initiating contact isn't the best way to do it, but to me it shouldn't favor the offensive player as much as it does especially when they drive.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Quite literally the defender is expected to move out of the way of the offensive player who is trying to create contact. No wonder you can’t guard some of these guys because it’s basically against the rules.
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The defender has to beat the offensive player to the spot. It's that simple. If you slide into or against the offensive player, its a foul. I don't know where youre coming from, its pretty simple.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So basically everyone who disagrees with you, is uninformed, whatever floats your boat. You still haven't actually countered anything I've said with anything other than, "you're uninformed, you wouldn't like it, or that I have to be a ref before I can say anything." Since you believe yourself to be so enlightened on the subject of what others would like why don't you open up your crystal ball and tell me what I want... You haven't offered a single counter to my take that the rules give an advantage to the offensive player. You went straight into everyone who disagree's with you isn't up to par, and have yet to put any substance at all into it. I get it being a ref is hard, that's not what I was arguing. My argument still is that the rules are way too tilted towards the offensive players at this point and I don't like it.
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That's not what was said at all but nice try.

I did counter you. I said the D must be in a legal guarding position. You wanted to change the definition of what that is and that would have disastrous results. People would be in "legal" guarding positions facing away from the offense.

It makes no senses and yes, is asinine.
 
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dviss1 said:
That's not what was said at all but nice try.

I did counter you. I said the D must be in a legal guarding position. You wanted to change the definition of what that is and that would have disastrous results. People would be in "legal" guarding positions facing away from the offense.

It makes no senses and yes, is asinine.
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Yeah, I definitely said I wanted the legal guarding position to be "facing away from the offense", you can clearly only have it the way it is now or to the opposite extreme...
 
BonesJones said:
The defender has to beat the offensive player to the spot. It's that simple. If you slide into or against the offensive player, its a foul. I don't know where youre coming from, its pretty simple.
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Well I said the main thing I want, is for hand-checking to come back. Moving Screens getting called more regularly would be nice too. I guess in my opinion I just see the offensive player running into defenders while the defender does what their supposed to do and it goes in the offensive players favor more often than I think it should.
Harden's the best example of it, but there are others. He literally throws his body at defenders pretty frequently and they get called for fouls and I'm constantly asking my self outside of just moving out of the way what are they supposed to do... What makes it worse is when they don't get the call they jump up and down and lose their mind for 10 seconds over it.
 
dviss1 said:
People who complain about officiating should go ref some games.

Honestly.

It's like telling a doctor how to use his scalpel after watching ER....
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I don't know, is reffing the one job on Earth that all of the employees are good at?

I've worked with tons of collision techs that have no idea what they are doing.
 
dviss1 said:
All of you who liked this post have no clue.
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Wow, it’s amazing how you can read my mind about why I liked a post and from that determine that I have no clue. Give me a break.

No, I don’t think the defensive player has to jump out of Harden’s way to avoid fouling PER THE RULES. I do think Harden is one of the most notorious cheaters in the league who has honed his skills at deceiving the refs. I think the league needs to clean this shit up:

 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
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Yeah, I definitely said I wanted the legal guarding position to be "facing away from the offense", you can clearly only have it the way it is now or to the opposite extreme...
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Your posts are annoying little gnats. One of the few things that lives that I kill...

My point is you want to change the definition of "legal guarding position" to mean the defender doesn't have to be completely square (which is what you've been whining about the whole time).

I disagree.

If the defender doesn't have to be square to get a charge call, this means it's now legal to not face the offense and get that same call.

Again, I disagree.

What you've been annoyingly whining about is the fact that Harden gets so many calls and so many trips to the line.

The problem with this argument is that you are misplacing blame.

You're blaming the rules of the game when you should be blaming the SORRY ASS officials calling it.

It's their fault through and through. They are NOT getting "open looks", and regularly fail:

Referee 101:
Focus on the competitive matchup in your primary area, and look AWAY from the ball. Watch the ball ONLY when it's in your primary area.
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Bottom line:

The rules of the game are perfect in every way (save one tweak I'd make).

It's the people administering them that are not.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Well I said the main thing I want, is for hand-checking to come back. Moving Screens getting called more regularly would be nice too. I guess in my opinion I just see the offensive player running into defenders while the defender does what their supposed to do and it goes in the offensive players favor more often than I think it should.
Harden's the best example of it, but there are others. He literally throws his body at defenders pretty frequently and they get called for fouls and I'm constantly asking my self outside of just moving out of the way what are they supposed to do... What makes it worse is when they don't get the call they jump up and down and lose their mind for 10 seconds over it.
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Why would you want hand-checking back? Move your feet! Hand-checking is weak in my opinion. I get hand-checked all the time in my rec league because people struggle to stay in front of me... it's a bail out for those that can't slide defensively. I know it used to be that way, but we also didn't use to have a 3pt line. Good defenders don't have to resort to using their hands.
 
e_blazer said:
Wow, it’s amazing how you can read my mind about why I liked a post and from that determine that I have no clue. Give me a break.

No, I don’t think the defensive player has to jump out of Harden’s way to avoid fouling PER THE RULES. I do think Harden is one of the most notorious cheaters in the league who has honed his skills at deceiving the refs. I think the league needs to clean this shit up:

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By liking his post you subscribed to his notion that the definition of legal guarding position should be changed. I think that's crazy talk. Sorry if I was a bit crass. bit

You're right, that motherfucker is the worst flopper in NBA history.

But all of us have to understand it's not the rules of the game that's causing the foul calls and NON travel calls on his bullshit step back...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he's rewarded for Flop...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he takes 4 steps on his step back jumper...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he travels and uses his off arm while doing that "Euro-step"...

It's the officials FUCKING fault!!!

Stop blaming the rules of our amazing game and place blame SQUARELY on the backs of these morons officiating it.

THEY SUCK.
 
BonesJones said:
Why would you want hand-checking back? Move your feet! Hand-checking is weak in my opinion. I get hand-checked all the time in my rec league because people struggle to stay in front of me... it's a bail out for those that can't slide defensively. I know it used to be that way, but we also didn't use to have a 3pt line. Good defenders don't have to resort to using their hands.
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He used to get COOKED in the city league and now he wants to change the rules... Lol
 
dviss1 said:
By liking his post you subscribed to his notion that the definition of legal guarding position should be changed. I think that's crazy talk. Sorry if I was a bit crass. bit

You're right, that motherfucker is the worst flopper in NBA history.

But all of us have to understand it's not the rules of the game that's causing the foul calls and NON travel calls on his bullshit step back...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he's rewarded for Flop...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he takes 4 steps on his step back jumper...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he travels and uses his off arm while doing that "Euro-step"...

It's the officials FUCKING fault!!!

Stop blaming the rules of our amazing game and place blame SQUARELY on the backs of these morons officiating it.

THEY SUCK.
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Exactly.
 
dviss1 said:
By liking his post you subscribed to his notion that the definition of legal guarding position should be changed. I think that's crazy talk. Sorry if I was a bit crass. bit

You're right, that motherfucker is the worst flopper in NBA history.

But all of us have to understand it's not the rules of the game that's causing the foul calls and NON travel calls on his bullshit step back...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he's rewarded for Flop...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he takes 4 steps on his step back jumper...

It's the officials fault.

Every time he travels and uses his off arm while doing that "Euro-step"...

It's the officials FUCKING fault!!!

Stop blaming the rules of our amazing game and place blame SQUARELY on the backs of these morons officiating it.

THEY SUCK.
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Nah. The issue of legal guarding position didn’t come up until later. The initial post just said he felt the rules give too much advantage to the offensive player. I don’t think that’s crazy talk. Removing the ability to hand check did give the offensive player a huge advantage, one which Harden is more than willing to twist to even greater advantage by cheating.
 
dviss1 said:
Your posts are annoying little gnats. One of the few things that lives that I kill...

My point is you want to change the definition of "legal guarding position" to mean the defender doesn't have to be completely square (which is what you've been whining about the whole time).

I disagree.

If the defender doesn't have to be square to get a charge call, this means it's now legal to not face the offense and get that same call.

Again, I disagree.

What you've been annoyingly whining about is the fact that Harden gets so many calls and so many trips to the line.

The problem with this argument is that you are misplacing blame.

You're blaming the rules of the game when you should be blaming the SORRY ASS officials calling it.

It's their fault through and through. They are NOT getting "open looks", and regularly fail:

Referee 101:


Bottom line:

The rules of the game are perfect in every way (save one tweak I'd make).

It's the people administering them that are not.
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I can accept this to an extent. I mean I don't know if the rule's are "perfect", the nba rules at least change almost every year. You seem really genuinely angry that I'd dare to question you and it makes me laugh every time you post. Like seriously? You're going to kill my posts, oh the humanity...
Maybe it's more the officials than the rules, I can buy into that.
Also I enjoyed when a defender would hand-check me, it made it really easy to know where they were at. Playing point you have to keep your head up, if your defender wants to make it really easy to know what their doing with their hands while you don't even look at them than that's OK with me.

No idea why you're trying to make this some personal thing, I don't know you, this is a basketball discussion forum. You don't know me, but whatever makes you happy. If you can't stand it that much just ignore me. I'm not going to stop having opinions on a sport I've loved most of my life just because you don't like my opinions on it.
If it is indeed just the ref's and nothing else how do you feel about adding another ref to each crew, and that they get rid of some of "old" ref's that seem to have vendetta's for and against certain players.
Whether it's the rules or the refs, it's freaking frustrating to watch how NBA games get called.
 
Lowry and DeRozan are like Dame and CJ. They disappears when it matters.
 
People talked about how Playoffs Rondo was a real thing. Well, so is Playoffs Lowry. It's in full force right now.
 
I thought Toronto would find a way to lose this series, but I thought it would be in 6-7 games, not like this.
 
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