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KSF-ERIC said:
Yep. They got Jokic in the second round and he’s only 25.
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The reason Jokic was available then is the same reason Marc Gasol was a second-rounder: both were REALLY hefty. And it wasn't a new thing - they grew up chubsters. Some fatties can control it when they need to and some turn into Oliver Miller or John "Hot Plate" Williams I guess.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
And Dame won the head to head.
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Sure i know, but it was CJ who won the Blazers the game with 37 points and clutch buckets, Dame in game 7 had 13 points on 3-17 shooting and 2-9 from three. Murray wasn't good in that game too, but it was also just his 2nd career series, against Dame in his prime
 
Labinot41 said:
Sure i know, but it was CJ who won the Blazers the game with 37 points and clutch buckets, Dame in game 7 had 13 points on 3-17 shooting and 2-9 from three. Murray wasn't good in that game too, but it was also just his 2nd career series, against Dame in his prime
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If they aren't doubling Dame every damn play CJ doesn't get 37 points. It's simple as that. If they double CJ? Dame lights them up for 57 points!
 
Labinot41 said:
Sure i know, but it was CJ who won the Blazers the game with 37 points and clutch buckets, Dame in game 7 had 13 points on 3-17 shooting and 2-9 from three. Murray wasn't good in that game too, but it was also just his 2nd career series, against Dame in his prime
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lol maybe because Denver built their entire defense around stopping Dame?
 
kjironman1 said:
If they aren't doubling Dame every damn play CJ doesn't get 37 points. It's simple as that. If they double CJ? Dame lights them up for 57 points!
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Natebishop3 said:
lol maybe because Denver built their entire defense around stopping Dame?
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This problem could have been solved long ago if Dame had learned how to play off the ball, but he hasn't, and he hasn't shown any willingness to do that because he wants the Ball in his hand, and that makes it so easy to defend him because he's to predictable. Evan Turner could have had a good role here like he did in Boston, but Dames inability to play off the ball made him a bad fit, and yeah i blame Stotts and Dame for that. You know why Lillards and also for comparison Harden numbers drop in the Playoffs? Because they are easy to defend, you just know what they gonna do next
 
Labinot41 said:
Oh come on man Chris, i thought at least you wouldn't come up with that excuse. Murray has seen Elite defenders on him this Playoffs with double teams sometimes and yet he still was phenomenal for more than just one series. He does things where i'm not sure Dame can do. And btw Dame has won 4 Playoff series in his career, Murray allready 3, think about it
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Plus Dame is getting old now. Denver, Dallas, Utah, just to name a few are the new teams that have surpassed while we had Dame and they were trying to catch us
 
Labinot41 said:
This problem could have been solved long ago if Dame had learned how to play off the ball, but he hasn't, and he hasn't shown any willingness to do that because he wants the Ball in his hand, and that makes it so easy to defend him because he's to predictable. Evan Turner could have had a good role here like he did in Boston, but Dames inability to play off the ball made him a bad fit, and yeah i blame Stotts and Dame for that. You know why Lillards and also for comparison Harden numbers drop in the Playoffs? Because they are easy to defend, you just know what they gonna do next
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As Blazers fans, we may not like that.....but there is a degree of truth.

And to compare a 'prime' Dame to last years 22 year old Murray seems a bit hollow. Love Dame to death, but going forward, (due to age as much as anything) a 23 year old Murray vs a 30 year old Dame isn't necessarily the slam dunk for the Blazers that we might all want it to be.
 
Labinot41 said:
I don't know, the way Dame dissapears in the Playoffs, i would trust Murray a lot more in the Playoffs than Dame, that's just my oppinion, Dames Playoff resume is not that good, his stats aren't good, yes, he has made two historic shots, outside of that he wasn't that good. I think Murray is a Star in the making and is going to be a Top 4 PG next season behind Steph, Luka and Dame. He's going to be special especially in the Playoffs, he's just that good.
Sorry but i wasnt impressed by Albon, once again half a second slower than Max in the qualifing and lost several places at the restart, and one point he was 7th while Max was out of the race, he did some good overtaking though i give him that
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25 ppg, 6 apg, 4.5 rpg is not disappearing, especially since the entire defensive philosophy of every team we face in the playoffs is to stop Dame at all costs and make someone else win the games. Oh and then there are those series ending shots. So to say Dame disappears is fucking ridiculous. Oh and I guess I have to point out to you again that Jamal Murray even though he's been scoring more these playoffs is Denver's second option. He has the luxury of having an all-nba second teamer who happens to be dominant inside, shoots the three very well and is now being called the best passing big man in the history of the game. That's a bit of a different situation.
 
illmatic99 said:
Not really, Clippers had one of the biggest chokes in recent sports history and looked so shook late in the game. After all the shit they talked all year, they brought it on themselves.

What's more embarrassing is Doc complaining and making excuses after every loss.
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All it tells me, as a Clipper, is I was able to get in his head.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I love it. Sports have gotten soft. Players like each other too much. Where are the hated rivalries from the 80s and 90s? The Celtics/Lakers? The Pistons/Bulls? The Heat/Knicks? It's fucking boring. I'm happy to see players getting into it.
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I do too, but this looks like Dame let them get to him.
 
Not sure if this was already discussed but ouch.....

"Any discussion about the Clippers' situation must be prefaced with an explanation of those stakes. LA traded a potential franchise cornerstone in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and unprotected first-round picks in 2022, 2024, and 2026 (plus pick swaps in 2023 and 2025) to the Oklahoma City Thunder for the ability to compete for titles with George and Leonard right now. The Clippers traded away their 2020 first-round pick for soon-to-be free agent Marcus Morris Sr.

I guess they can spin it as Kawhi would not have gone to the Clips without George, but Kawhi IMO is the one who fucked up. If he really wanted to play in LA with the Clips, he should have let them keep Shai and all those picks. In the long run, they would have been much better off.
 
Labinot41 said:
This problem could have been solved long ago if Dame had learned how to play off the ball, but he hasn't, and he hasn't shown any willingness to do that because he wants the Ball in his hand, and that makes it so easy to defend him because he's to predictable. Evan Turner could have had a good role here like he did in Boston, but Dames inability to play off the ball made him a bad fit, and yeah i blame Stotts and Dame for that. You know why Lillards and also for comparison Harden numbers drop in the Playoffs? Because they are easy to defend, you just know what they gonna do next
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this makes no sense to me

why should Dame play off the ball? Who else is going to run the offense?...and don't give me that evan turner stuff. LOL I'm getting worked up here because that's what teams have done to incredible success: take the ball out of Dame's hand and make the other Blazers beat them. And the result has been over and over that those other Blazers can't beat them. That's what opponents want: Dame without the ball in his hands

That's why the 4-28 record in close-out series under Stotts. And why the 1-16 record over the last 4 seasons. That's how good Portland is when Dame is "off the ball". This is not an X's and O's issue. Portland is not going to scheme their way into contention with somebody like Evan Turner or CJ running the offense. That's loony tunes. And thinking that if Dame could just learn how to shoot spot-up after curling around a screen in the remedial offensive system Stotts runs, somehow Portland would start beating elite teams is even more loony

by the way, if reality means anything, Dame was better this season in spot-up than CJ. Dame scored 1.19 points/possession while CJ 1.18. Dame was also better in hand-off possessions than CJ, 1.09 ppp vs 1.00 ppp. Cj was better off-screens, 1.08 vs 1.02. Doesn't look to me like Dame is doing so bad off ball

on the other hand, Dame is in the 87th percentile in isolation, outscoring CJ 1.07 vs 0.88 (56th percentile). And Dame was elite as the PnR ball-handler ranking in the 96th percentile and outscoring CJ, 1.15 vs 0.93

so yeah, it could be that a starting Blazer guard needs to learn better how to play off the ball, but it isn't Dame

Portland's problem is not Dame. It's that they have no other high level talent. Simple equation that Olshey hasn't solved in 8 years on the job
 
Labinot41 said:
Evan Turner could have had a good role here like he did in Boston, but Dames inability to play off the ball made him a bad fit, and yeah i blame Stotts and Dame for that.
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Oh boy is this gonna run well......
 
wizenheimer said:
why should Dame play off the ball? Who else is going to run the offense?...and don't give me that evan turner stuff. LOL I'm getting worked up here because that's what teams have done to incredible success: take the ball out of Dame's hand and make the other Blazers beat them. And the result has been over and over that those other Blazers can't beat them. That's what opponents want: Dame without the ball in his hands
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Like i said... This is gonna run well indeed. Just the Evan Turner shit alone is pure comedy.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
Denver fans were ready to have Malone fired after they went down 3-1 to Utah. Suddenly he’s the best coach in the league. It’s why pretend GM/Coach message boards are for emotional fans, and real front office positions and real coaching jobs are for rational thinkers. It’s what makes it fun.
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Body. Of. Work.

Give me a coach who will run the offense through Nurk. PLEASE.
 
Funny dudes on here taking jabs at Damian Lillard and Praising Murray when Jokic got a triple double last night.
You tell me the last time dame played with a center who got a triple double? I believe it was a 20 point win against the Cavs? The Triple was a 10-10-10 game.
Last night Jokic posted 16-22-13. Yeah brother 22 rebounds and 13 assists with 16 points.
 
AmirIcon said:
Body. Of. Work.

Give me a coach who will run the offense through Nurk. PLEASE.
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There are very few centers these days that you can do that with.....and Nurk is not one of them. When Nurk tries to do too much, it is not pretty.
It was an annoying embellishment when the TV announcers kept saying that Jokic is the best passing center ever in the history of the NBA....but I will admit he is pretty damn good. Plus he can handle the ball, plus he can shoot from the outside. All things IMO that are needed for someone to possess in order to run your offense through.

I am not dissing Nurk here, but players need to know their limitations. His skills are above average for a center, but IMO he is just not good enough to run your offense through on a consistent basis. What he needs is an offseason so he can build his muscle back up after being out for a year. We need a version of the Bosnian Beast. (But not too heavy)
 
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