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KSF-ERIC said:
Curry was great last year.
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Poole emerging has been big. But yes, getting more players that fit their style of play has been the key. Last year, they finished the season on something like a 22-5 tear after Poole improved and they basically removed Oubre and Paschall from the rotation--ball stoppers who didn't know how to move and also couldn't really shoot.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Kareem was obviously the #1 on every team he played on in the 70s, and was the Lakers #1 (and league MVP) for his first LA title in 80, but from '82 on, Magic was the one leading the Lakers in VORP every year. Everyone knew those Showtime Lakers squad were unquestionably Magic's team (note that after 81, Kareem never finished higher than Magic in MVP voting).

Kareem was absolutely the Lakers #2 throughout the 80s...really the #3 behind Worthy by the time they won their B2B in 87-88.
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Thank you.
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon now...in 87-88 he was 40 years old

he was the #1 for his first 13 years in the league and started ceding that role to the rookie Magic when Kareem was 34

Not many players are a #1 at 34 or 35 years old, especially not when they aren't ball-handlers. He played till he was 41
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No one is criticizing Kareem by calling him a #2. It’s just the truth that he won most of his titles as that.
 
illmatic99 said:
that number is insane. Moda reportedly paid 40 mil for naming rights in a 10 yr deal in 2013.

great revenue stream, but there's nothing sacred anymore.
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Nope. The only thing sacred is payin them bills on time.
 
Minstrel said:
So who counts as good? I think people are underestimating the Warriors by pointing to the schedule without considering that the Warriors have been mostly annihilating the schedule. Pretty much all of their last 10 wins have been blowouts. The Nets were the preseason favorites to win the title--sure, they're missing Irving, but Durant and Harden were the two superstars engines. Irving certainly wouldn't be making their defense any better.

If the Warriors were beating weak teams by 3 and 4 points, yes, I'd agree they look like a team fluking their way through an easy schedule. But they're doing what you'd expect the prime Jordan/Pippen Bulls to do to that sort of schedule (and no, I'm not saying they're the 1996 Bulls--just that their dominance so far has been insane and it's not really abating despite having played some better teams, like the Bulls and Nets).
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Have the Warriors blown out 4 WC playoff teams this year? The Blazers have.
 
I was so wrong about the Nets and Lakers going into the season...looks to me like a Bulls, Warriors championship matchup is more likely
 
The only thing stopping a Warriors title is an injury to Steph Curry. Unfortunately for them, that's not entirely unlikely. I expect to see him being rested more as the season goes on (particularly after Klay comes back).

This Warriors team looks a lot like the 73-win pre-KD Warriors. Only there's no peak LeBron who can knock them off in the finals any more.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
The only thing stopping a Warriors title is an injury to Steph Curry. Unfortunately for them, that's not entirely unlikely. I expect to see him being rested more as the season goes on (particularly after Klay comes back).

This Warriors team looks a lot like the 73-win pre-KD Warriors. Only there's no peak LeBron who can knock them off in the finals any more.
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They have played the 2nd easiest schedule.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
True, and they've done with it just what the 73-win Warriors would've done.
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Cept that the 73 win Warriors started the year 24-0, and of their first 14 games, 6 were on the road.
 
julius said:
Cept that the 73 win Warriors started the year 24-0, and of their first 14 games, 6 were on the road.
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this Warriors team is on a pace to win 70 games. Are they that good? of course not

are they good enough, right now, to win 55 games? of course (is Portland?)

are they better, right now, than almost everybody expected? of course

I think it's clear the Warriors are playing extremely well. They are doing exactly what good teams are supposed to do and that's sweeping just about all the games they should win. If the Warriors can get Klay and Wiseman back and stay healthy by avoiding any major injuries; and if Klay just hits about 80% of the player he was, the Warriors will very likely be in the race for top seed

but is that really a surprise? I'd also think it's time, considering how much Steve Kerr was dissed as a HC around here this last off-season, to start giving him more credit

KSF-ERIC said:
Have the Warriors blown out 4 WC playoff teams this year? The Blazers have.
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you come up with some of the wackiest gauges. Do you find them in the book of 'Things That Mean Diddly-Squat' ?

do you think those blow-outs mean anything other than 1 win each? Portland beat the Suns when the Suns were playing poorly. They had a chance to prove it wasn't a fluke in a rematch but lost by 10. They beat the Clippers, but lost the two rematches by an average of 19 points. They did beat Memphis by 20, but Memphis is a .500 team. And I'm assuming you're defining the 15 point win over the Lakers, at Moda, when Lebron sat out as the other "blow-out". Their record is 4-5 without Lebron, but 1-2 on the road

using early season blow-outs, one way or the other, as a gauge of anything is kind of loopy. The only thing we know is that some nights Portland plays very well, and those nights have been at The Moda. And other nights, on the road, Portland has stunk up the gym. And the test of a good team has always been the road
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Struggling with "would've" I see.
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I'm not sure you should be pulling the "struggling I see" routine, considering how often you get raging boners for scrub Euro players who end up doing jack shit in the NBA.
 
julius said:
I'm not sure you should be pulling the "struggling I see" routine, considering how often you get raging boners for scrub Euro players who end up doing jack shit in the NBA.
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what does a raging boner do anyway? break furniture and scream at clouds?
 
How can you honestly say the warriors aren’t for real lol

If they’re the 6th seed or worse I’ll drink a cup of spit from someone with the rona

the hawks last year.. now that’s a fluke
 
Minstrel said:
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lots of missing context there. He has been a turnover machine. But he's also been an assist machine. And a rebounding machine for a guard

his turnover rate might also be mitigated if there was a stat like passes+drives+transition/turnovers
 
wizenheimer said:
lots of missing context there. He has been a turnover machine. But he's also been an assist machine. And a rebounding machine for a guard
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It wasn't supposed to be a full career biography. It was just an amusing factoid about him.
 
wizenheimer said:
I didn't say it was negative. But I think if we're talking about a #1 option you'd grade by a player's prime, not when they were past that prime. Dirk wasn't a #1 option for the final 7 years of his career...but he was for 11 years and that's what he'll be remembered for
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Because I wasn't commenting on his career as a whole, but a specific segment thereof. It's not a complicated compartmentalization.
 
I would say Kareem was more impactful with the Lakers than Jordan was with the Wizards/Bullets, and no one in their right mind would argue that Jordan wasn't a #1 regardless of that late career slide.
 
julius said:
I'm not sure you should be pulling the "struggling I see" routine, considering how often you get raging boners for scrub Euro players who end up doing jack shit in the NBA.
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Struggling with appropriate comebacks too, I see.
 
wizenheimer said:
lots of missing context there. He has been a turnover machine. But he's also been an assist machine. And a rebounding machine for a guard

his turnover rate might also be mitigated if there was a stat like passes+drives+transition/turnovers
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What about all the assist machines that have come before him? They didn’t turnover the ball like this.
 
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