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[MickZagger]

Was Aldridge for Love ever a realistic possibility? I'd like Chris Paul over Brandon Roy. Think that's going to happen?

Shit, let it go. Who said you were nuts? Spamming the board with Kevin Love stats seems more like an obsession than an "I told you so".

Not now, it could've happened. I want all the tooly's to admit they were wrong. Shoot, many around here said they would rather have Aldridge over Horford. Most of the discussions that take place around here are hyperbole anyways and Love could've very well been available, he was having conflicts with Rambis at the beginning of the year. I can think of a few posters who were saying that the minutes he got during FIBA proof that he wasn't good. When really, he was averaging 25/25 per 40 minutes of play.

Here is the PER for past and present PF's during their 3rd year in the league:

Pau- 21.7
Duncan- 24.8
Garnett- 20.4
Malone- 20.7
Nowitzki- 22.8
Bosh- 23.2

As of now, Love has a PER of 23.8

 

[Boob-No-More]

His stats would suggest a higher PER, but his mediocre TS% and eFG% make him much lower than he should be.

Kevin Love
TS% = .564
eFG% = .481
PER = 23.8

And, the guy he's being compared to in this thread:

LaMarcus Aldridge
TS% = .487
eFG% = .439
PER = 16.6

And, a few other pretty good players:

Kevin Durant
TS% = .553
eFG% = .454
PER = 21.6

Kobe Bryant
TS% = .539
eFG% = .463
PER = 24.8

LeBron James
TS% = .562
eFG% = .487
PER = 24.2

So, tell us again who has the mediocre TS% and eFG%? God, talk about a poorly formed argument. Sure, if Love shot better his PER would be higher. So would Durant's, Kobe's, LeBron's and especially Aldridge's. As it is, Love's TS%, eFG% and PER are all in line with some of the top players in the league.

You may also want to note that Love's 3FG% is .403 and his FT% is .894, both excellent marks. I'm not sure what twisted logic leads you to believe he's not a good shooter, or an efficient scorer. He makes Aldridge look like shit, by comparison, and scores just as efficiently as some of the best players in the league.

And, he also leads the league in rebounding. Is he a complete player? No, his defense needs to improve. Is he a good player on a crappy team? Yes, but so is Blake Griffin (and Love's TS% is better than his, too).

I'm not sure what you have against Love. Maybe you're one of those disgruntled Duck fans who hate Love becuase he went to a school with a real basketball program. Maybe you just hate overacheiving pudgy white guys. Or, maybe you need to take a closer look at the advanced stats. If you so, you'll see that Love's current production is way better than anyone on our roster. Better to be a good player on a bad team than a mediocre player on a bad team - which is what Aldridge is right now.

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

Kevin Love
TS% = .564
eFG% = .481
PER = 23.8

And, the guy he's being compared to in this thread:

LaMarcus Aldridge
TS% = .487
eFG% = .439
PER = 16.6

And, a few other pretty good players:

Kevin Durant
TS% = .553
eFG% = .454
PER = 21.6

Kobe Bryant
TS% = .539
eFG% = .463
PER = 24.8

LeBron James
TS% = .562
eFG% = .487
PER = 24.2

So, tell us again who has the mediocre TS% and eFG%? God, talk about a poorly formed argument. Sure, if Love shot better his PER would be higher. So would Durant's, Kobe's, LeBron's and especially Aldridge's. As it is, Love's TS%, eFG% and PER are all in line with some of the top players in the league.

You may also want to note that Love's 3FG% is .403 and his FT% is .894, both excellent marks. I'm not sure what twisted logic leads you to believe he's not a good shooter, or an efficient scorer. He makes Aldridge look like shit, by comparison, and scores just as efficiently as some of the best players in the league.

And, he also leads the league in rebounding. Is he a complete player? No, his defense needs to improve. Is he a good player on a crappy team? Yes, but so is Blake Griffin (and Love's TS% is better than his, too).

I'm not sure what you have against Love. Maybe you're one of those disgruntled Duck fans who hate Love becuase he went to a school with a real basketball program. Maybe you just hate overacheiving pudgy white guys. Or, maybe you need to take a closer look at the advanced stats. If you so, you'll see that Love's current production is way better than anyone on our roster. Better to be a good player on a bad team than a mediocre player on a bad team - which is what Aldridge is right now.

BNM

lol, pretty much sums it up.

I've always enjoyed your posts. Repped.

 

[MickZagger]

Fer Chris' sakes, we have people comparing Love to Sergio around here. Then people wonder why I shove Love down everyones throat. Many of the Love haters are the people that feel we should have never traded Z-Bo

 

[BGrantFan]

Kevin Love
TS% = .564
eFG% = .481
PER = 23.8

And, the guy he's being compared to in this thread:

LaMarcus Aldridge
TS% = .487
eFG% = .439
PER = 16.6

And, a few other pretty good players:

Kevin Durant
TS% = .553
eFG% = .454
PER = 21.6

Kobe Bryant
TS% = .539
eFG% = .463
PER = 24.8

LeBron James
TS% = .562
eFG% = .487
PER = 24.2

So, tell us again who has the mediocre TS% and eFG%? God, talk about a poorly formed argument. Sure, if Love shot better his PER would be higher. So would Durant's, Kobe's, LeBron's and especially Aldridge's. As it is, Love's TS%, eFG% and PER are all in line with some of the top players in the league.

You may also want to note that Love's 3FG% is .403 and his FT% is .894, both excellent marks. I'm not sure what twisted logic leads you to believe he's not a good shooter, or an efficient scorer. He makes Aldridge look like shit, by comparison, and scores just as efficiently as some of the best players in the league.

And, he also leads the league in rebounding. Is he a complete player? No, his defense needs to improve. Is he a good player on a crappy team? Yes, but so is Blake Griffin (and Love's TS% is better than his, too).

I'm not sure what you have against Love. Maybe you're one of those disgruntled Duck fans who hate Love becuase he went to a school with a real basketball program. Maybe you just hate overacheiving pudgy white guys. Or, maybe you need to take a closer look at the advanced stats. If you so, you'll see that Love's current production is way better than anyone on our roster. Better to be a good player on a bad team than a mediocre player on a bad team - which is what Aldridge is right now.

BNM

What the fuck does an injured Durant have to do with this thread? Talk about a poorly formed argument. I don't hate Love. I said he is a stat beast on a bad team. How is this an incorrect assessment of him?

 

[MickZagger]

Durant's team is winning. That's my argument. What the fuck does an injured Durant have to do with this thread? Talk about a poorly formed argument.

lol. Your relentless. You've never admitted you were wrong.

 

[BGrantFan]

lol, pretty much sums it up.

Well, except for the whole 5-16 thing which he glossed right over while bringing up Durant out of the blue.

 

[BGrantFan]

lol. Your relentless. You've never admitted you were wrong.

What have I been wrong about? I've been a fan of Love's for a long time. I think he's a great fantasy basketball player on a bad team who would be a great 3rd option on a title team. Tell me how I'm wrong about that. I'm curious...

 

[Boob-No-More]

What the fuck does an injured Durant have to do with this thread? Talk about a poorly formed argument. I don't hate Love. I said he is a stat beast on a bad team. How is this an incorrect assessment of him?

You also said Love's PER was much lower than it should be becuase of his mediocre TS% and eFG%. You're wrong, but you'll never admit it. His PER and his TS% and eFG% are all higher than Durrant's - the league's leading scorer.

His TS% and eFG% are also higher than Kobe's and about the same (one slightly higher, one slightly lower) than LeBron's.

Fact is, Love's TS% and eFG% are not "mediocre". They are much better than average. Again, you're wrong, but you will never admit it.

BNM

 

[BGrantFan]

You also said Love's PER was much lower than it should be becuase of his mediocre TS% and eFG%. You're wrong, but you'll never admit it. His PER and his TS% and eFG% are all higher than Durrant's - the league's leading scorer.

His TS% and eFG% are also higher than Kobe's and about the same (one slightly higher, one slightly lower) than LeBron's.

Fact is, Love's TS% and eFG% are not "mediocre". They are much better than average. Again, you're wrong, but you will never admit it.

BNM

I said Love's PER is low for a 20/15 player. His FG%s are a part of it. I stand by that comment. He has MVP tangible stats, yet in reality a 3rd team All-NBA PER for a 5-16 team. Reread my posts in this thread and write another book that misses what I said.

Making up arguments is fun. You seem to it all of the time.

You'll never admit you misrepresented my opinion on Love, though, so I won't hold my breath.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well, except for the whole 5-16 thing which he glossed right over while bringing up Durant out of the blue.

Learn to read. I didn't gloss over anything. I said Love was a good player on a bad team. I brought up Durant to show your argument about Love's "mediocre" TS% and eFG% is complete bullshit. He shoots the ball better than the league's leading scorer - fact.

BNM

 

[BGrantFan]

Learn to read. I didn't gloss over anything. I said Love was a good player on a bad team. I brought up Durant to show your argument about Love's "mediocre" TS% and eFG% is complete bullshit. He shoots the ball better than the league's leading scorer - fact.

BNM

That's what I said as well. I never mentioned anything about Durant, though. That was your red herring. So, I guess we agree about Love. Are you glad you wrote that dissertation to support an argument that only existed in your head?

 

[BGrantFan]

Learn to read.
BNM

Irony

 

[Boob-No-More]

I said Love's PER is low for a 20/15 player. His FG%s are a part of it. I stand by that comment. He has MVP tangible stats, yet in reality a 3rd team All-NBA PER for a 5-16 team. Reread my posts in this thread and write another book that misses what I said.

There's a lot more to PER than rebounding and shooting. Love's PER is lower because he doesn't get a lot of assists, hardly any steals or blocks - NOT because he's a poor shooter. You're wrong, flat out wrong. Accept it and move on. Yes, if he shot the ball better, his PER would be better. So, would everyone else's - which is what makes your original claim - that Love's PER is low (it's the 11th highest in the league) because of his TS% and eFG%, incorrect.

BNM

 

[BGrantFan]

There's a lot more to PER than rebounding and shooting. Love's PER is lower because he doesn't get a lot of assists, hardly any steals or blocks - NOT because he's a poor shooter. You're wrong, flat out wrong. Accept it and move on. Yes, if he shot the ball better, his PER would be better. So, would everyone else's - which is what makes your original claim - that Love's PER is low (it's the 11th highest in the league) because of his TS% and eFG%, incorrect.

BNM

His PER is low compared to his unreal tangible stats in part because of those advanced FG stats. The players you referenced in your lengthy post all had lower PERs and advanced FG stats than Love. There is a correlation, but I'm sure you missed it. You actually proved my point, so thanks for the research.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That's what I said as well. I never mentioned anything about Durant, though. That was your red herring. So, I guess we agree about Love. Are you glad you wrote that dissertation to support an argument that only existed in your head?

My so-called dissertation was to show that your claim about Love's "mediocre" TS% and eFG% was wrong. That argument existed right here in this forum - not in my head.

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

What have I been wrong about? I've been a fan of Love's for a long time. I think he's a great fantasy basketball player on a bad team who would be a great 3rd option on a title team. Tell me how I'm wrong about that. I'm curious...

http://sportstwo.com/threads/174103-The-Blazers-may-be-interested-in-Kevin-Love?highlight=Kevin+Love

Camby and LA still starting, with Love off the bench, which is probably where he belongs anyhow on a decent team.

Thats just in a quick search I found that.

C'mon you've been trying to trump out that Aldridge is better than Love for awhile now. You usually bring up the same old song and dance, that he plays on a bad team so those stats are meaningless.

Is Matthews still overpaid?

 

[Boob-No-More]

His PER is low compared to his unreal tangible stats in part because of those advanced FG stats. The players you referenced in your lengthy post all had lower PERs and advanced FG stats than Love. There is a correlation, but I'm sure you missed it. You actually proved my point, so thanks for the research.

Wrong again! LEARN TO READ:

Kevin Love
TS% = .564
eFG% = .481
PER = 23.8

Kobe Bryant
TS% = .539
eFG% = .463
PER = 24.8

LeBron James
TS% = .562
eFG% = .487
PER = 24.2

Half the players I mentioned had HIGHER PERs than Love, in spite of LOWER advanced shooting percentages. How the fuck did you miss something like that? Again, Love's PER is not "low" becuase of his shooting, it's low because he doesn't get a lot of assists, steals, blocks, etc. He's a monster rebounder and a good scorer, but he doesn't fill out the rest of the box score and THAT'S why his PER is "only" 23.8.

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

His PER is low compared to his unreal tangible stats in part because of those advanced FG stats. The players you referenced in your lengthy post all had lower PERs and advanced FG stats than Love. There is a correlation, but I'm sure you missed it. You actually proved my point, so thanks for the research.

Another example of you "not being wrong".

Boob, brought up those other players to show that your assertion that Love had a "mediocre" TS% and eFG% was wrong. If its better than those players, how is it mediocre?

Sometimes you need to come to grips with the fact that your wrong. Its good for the blood pressure.

 

[BGrantFan]

Wrong again! LEARN TO READ:

Kevin Love
TS% = .564
eFG% = .481
PER = 23.8

Kobe Bryant
TS% = .539
eFG% = .463
PER = 24.8

LeBron James
TS% = .562
eFG% = .487
PER = 24.2

Half the players I mentioned had HIGHER PERs than Love, in spite of LOWER advanced shooting percentages. How the fuck did you miss something like that? Again, Love's PER is not "low" becuase of his shooting, it's low because he doesn't get a lot of assists, steals, blocks, etc. He's a monster rebounder and a good scorer, but he doesn't fill out the rest of the box score and THAT'S why his PER is "only" 23.8.

BNM

Sorry. I didn't make it past Durant on your list because I didn't ever bring up Durant.. Love is a black hole and a bad defender. I've said this as well. He is a great rebounder and garbage man. This is obvious.

 

[MickZagger]

Wrong again! LEARN TO READ:

Kevin Love
TS% = .564
eFG% = .481
PER = 23.8

Kobe Bryant
TS% = .539
eFG% = .463
PER = 24.8

LeBron James
TS% = .562
eFG% = .487
PER = 24.2

Half the players I mentioned had HIGHER PERs than Love, in spite of LOWER advanced shooting percentages. How the fuck did you miss something like that? Again, Love's PER is not "low" becuase of his shooting, it's low because he doesn't get a lot of assists, steals, blocks, etc. He's a monster rebounder and a good scorer, but he doesn't fill out the rest of the box score and THAT'S why his PER is "only" 23.8.

BNM

He's argued until he's red in the face. At this point there's no going back and admitting he's wrong.

 

[BGrantFan]

Another example of you "not being wrong".

Boob, brought up those other players to show that your assertion that Love had a "mediocre" TS% and eFG% was wrong. If its better than those players, how is it mediocre?

Sometimes you need to come to grips with the fact that your wrong. Its good for the blood pressure.

I'm not wrong, though. Love's PER has been lowered because of his advanced shooting stats. Comparing him to other players with similar advanced shooting stats doesn't really prove anything, other than Love is a good player on a bad team, and he isn't a #1 in spite of his #1 stats.

He'd be a great #3 on a title team. I already posted this, didn't I?

 

[MickZagger]

Sorry. I didn't make it past Durant on your list because I didn't ever bring up Durant.. Love is a black hole and a bad defender. I've said this as well. He is a great rebounder and garbage man. This is obvious.

He's a 20 and 15 player. Probably the most skilled rebounder since Rodman and puts up 20points a game. His offensive game is much more than being a garbage man. He's hitting 3's at a 40% clip.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm not wrong, though. Love's PER has been lowered because of his advanced shooting stats. Comparing him to other players with similar advanced shooting stats doesn't really prove anything, other than Love is a good player on a bad team, and he isn't a #1 in spite of his #1 stats.

He'd be a great #3 on a title team. I already posted this, didn't I?

I thought you posted he'd a bench player on a team with Aldridge on it.

 

[BGrantFan]

He's a 20 and 15 player. Probably the most skilled rebounder since Rodman and puts up 20points a game. His offensive game is much more than being a garbage man. He's hitting 3's at a 40% clip.

I stand by my opinion of him. A great #3 on a title team, but his stats say he'll be paid as a #1. A stat beast on a bad team. How many times do I have to type it?

 

[BGrantFan]

I thought you posted he'd a bench player on a team with Aldridge on it.

I think that's a super role for him. 6th Man of the Year who doesn't have to defend.

 

[MickZagger]

I stand by my opinion of him. A great #3 on a title team, but his stats say he'll be paid as a #1.

20 and 15 is #3 on a title team? I say #2 on a title team.

Have you changed your opinion of him since your "he wouldn't start in front of LMA days" or were you wrong about him?

 

[MickZagger]

I think that's a super role for him. 6th Man of the Year who doesn't have to defend.

lol. Your relentless.

Aldridge is no better a defender. 20 and 15 players aren't bench players on mediocre teams like the Blazers and they certainly aren't coming in off the bench behind a player with a PER of 16.

 

[BGrantFan]

20 and 15 is #3 on a title team? I say #2 on a title team.

Have you changed your opinion of him since your "he wouldn't start in front of LMA days" or were you wrong about him?

I'd still start LMA. At least LMA has been on a 50-win team and averaged 18/8 for it.

 

[BGrantFan]

lol. Your relentless.

Aldridge is no better a defender. 20 and 15 players aren't bench players on mediocre teams like the Blazers and they certainly aren't coming in off the bench behind a player with a PER of 16.

Love wouldn't be a 20/15 player on a good team.