As expected, Afflalo is going to opt out

[BlazerCaravan]

Of the many guys I'd prefer to Afflalo, Iman Shumpert is one. Paired with Lillard, that would be a nice backcourt . . .

Shumpert is a chump; a career .396% shooter, bad defender (career DRtg of 106), low efficiency (career PER of 10.9). He's literally the one guy in this thread WORSE than Arron. The only reason anyone thinks they like him is because of his hair. He's an AWFUL PLAYER.

 

[BlazerWookee]

That's right, I forgot. Bye Wes too if they could convince DeAndre.

Seriously? DeAndre "Can't play in the fourth quarter of close games because he couldn't make a free throw" Jordan?

No thanks. Not even remotely interested.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

My final point on the discussion:

Regular season 5-man lineups (from basketball-reference): With Wes we were +12.7 points per 100 possessions. With Arron instead of Wes we were -4.3 points per 100. That's a 17 point swing in the wrong direction.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2015/lineups/

 

[magnifier661]

Shumpert is a chump; a career .396% shooter, bad defender (career DRtg of 106), low efficiency (career PER of 10.9). He's literally the one guy in this thread WORSE than Arron. The only reason anyone thinks they like him is because of his hair. He's an AWFUL PLAYER.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[riverman]

My final point on the discussion:

Regular season 5-man lineups (from basketball-reference): With Wes we were +12.7 points per 100 possessions. With Arron instead of Wes we were -4.3 points per 100. That's a 17 point swing in the wrong direction.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2015/lineups/

It's not really fair to compare a guy who played with the same teammates and for the same coach most of his career to a guy who played 25 games coming in cold and then played badly injured.

 

[magnifier661]

It's not really fair to compare a guy who played with the same teammates and for the same coach most of his career to a guy who played 25 games coming in cold and then played badly injured.

Let's be honest here. We aren't talking about some young player or "career backup player". Afflalo even mentioned he's a starter. It's really not hard for a proven vet to work themselves into the starting lineup when you are used to being a starter, a seasoned vet and asked to mainly defend and hit wide open shots.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

It's not really fair to compare a guy who played with the same teammates and for the same coach most of his career to a guy who played 25 games coming in cold and then played badly injured.

This is a good point, but Afflalo is a professional and gets paid to learn quickly. Our offense isn'y byzantine, and Wes's role is tunes to Arron's skillset: occasional post ups, spot shooting. Nevertheless, we performed much worse without Wes. Maybe they lost heart and gave up. Maybe the opponent got better while we stayed the same. Maybe hand injuries to Robin and LA made Arron look worse. All are possible.

But, as much as I liked Arron's fire, we underperformed while he was in the game in an industry where wins matter. Maybe we'll regret not resigning a soon-to-be 30 year old career 12.6 PER player... but maybe we won't. I'm personally willing to risk it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Tell us how you really feel.

I was holding back because I didn't want to be banned. Shumpert is dogshit that some people think is really good for NO DISCERNABLE REASON. It's crazy-making.

 

[riverman]

Let's be honest here. We aren't talking about some young player or "career backup player". Afflalo even mentioned he's a starter. It's really not hard for a proven vet to work themselves into the starting lineup when you are used to being a starter, a seasoned vet and asked to mainly defend and hit wide open shots.

So he should have been a one armed impact player then because he's a vet? He clearly was hobbled and the pressure to fill Wes shoes on the fly was a lot to compensate for after a couple dozen games.

 

[magnifier661]

So he should have been a one armed impact player then because he's a vet? He clearly was hobbled and the pressure to fill Wes shoes on the fly was a lot to compensate for after a couple dozen games.

I am a fan of Afflalo, but he definitely is to blame for playing like absolute shit

 

[SpamKing]

Shumpert is a chump; a career .396% shooter, bad defender (career DRtg of 106), low efficiency (career PER of 10.9). He's literally the one guy in this thread WORSE than Arron. The only reason anyone thinks they like him is because of his hair. He's an AWFUL PLAYER.

Playing injured, the guy played his heart out in the finals. He has shot over 40% from three for the season w/the Nix (51/127). Whatever his drtg, he scrambles like a s.o.b. on defense. Plus, he has mad hops . . . The biggest problem I see is that the Cavs have promised to match any offer.

 

[oldmangrouch]

My final point on the discussion:

Regular season 5-man lineups (from basketball-reference): With Wes we were +12.7 points per 100 possessions. With Arron instead of Wes we were -4.3 points per 100. That's a 17 point swing in the wrong direction.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2015/lineups/

Oh hush! AA is the bestest baller ever! We must weep bitter tears that he is leaving and demand the team give him a huge raise to bring him back!

 

[BBert]

I wanted Arron back at his previously existing contract: As insurance until Wes is 100%, as a backup to Wes and Nico, as insurance in case Wes doesn't come back at 100%, and as a trade-able asset at the trade deadline.

I'd consider taking him back for more years at less money, on a trade-able contract.

But if Arron wants more than $8 million? Sayonara, adios, auf wiedersehen, do svidaniya, tootle-00, a jamais, see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.

If he thinks he has the Blazers over a barrel, I hope he's the only one.

 

[Natebishop3]

I guess he should have just sat out the rest of the season after he hurt his shoulder. Would have protected his value. Less people bashing on him.

 

[blue9]

But if Arron wants more than $8 million? Sayonara, adios, auf wiedersehen, do svidaniya, tootle-00, a jamais, see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.

Smell ya later!

 

[santeesioux]

Seriously? DeAndre "Can't play in the fourth quarter of close games because he couldn't make a free throw" Jordan?

No thanks. Not even remotely interested.

But dat defense tho! You could have a decent foul shooter brought in to spot him in hack a Shaq situations.

 

[BBert]

I hope you don't think I'm bashing on him. I just don't think he's worth more than he's currently making.

Maybe his agent has a destination in mind. Maybe they are working something out with the Blazers that is mutually beneficial.

I can certainly see why Arron would want to get locked up for more years, now.

More years at less money = sure. More years at more money = I don't think so.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I guess he should have just sat out the rest of the season after he hurt his shoulder. Would have protected his value. Less people bashing on him.

Protected his value? What did he do pre-injury to warrant a pay raise?

IMHO, his contract was more than fair. I'm sure he WANTS a raise - but what did he do to earn it?

 

[blue9]

... but what did he do to earn it?

Nada nada nada - not a damn thing.
(What's Duke Ellington without that swing?)

 

[BBert]

So if Arron leaves, that helps our cap situation, right?

And if Arron signs with us for a smaller, longer-term contract, that helps our cap situation too, right?

Or we could sign-and-trade him, right?

Options?

 

[Rhal]

I guess he should have just sat out the rest of the season after he hurt his shoulder. Would have protected his value. Less people bashing on him.

Id bet his agent told him that. Sit out the rest of the season with the shoulder injury so you dont hurt your value. Affalo came back and played on basically one shoulder for the few playoff games he played.
Id take him back at 3y 22m but with how bad the SG market is he will get a 4/40m from someone.

 

[BlazerWookee]

But dat defense tho! You could have a decent foul shooter brought in to spot him in hack a Shaq situations.

I'll take Lopez over Jordan seven days a week and twice on Sunday.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Playing injured, the guy played his heart out in the finals. He has shot over 40% from three for the season w/the Nix (51/127). Whatever his drtg, he scrambles like a s.o.b. on defense. Plus, he has mad hops . . . The biggest problem I see is that the Cavs have promised to match any offer.

One season like three years ago, he shot 40.6%. He's a career 34.2% 3 point shooter.

He's the very definition of a high effort, low results player. T-Rob, JJ Hickson, they all look really busy out there, but it amounts to not a lot.

 

[SpamKing]

One season like three years ago, he shot 40.6%. He's a career 34.2% 3 point shooter.

He's the very definition of a high effort, low results player. T-Rob, JJ Hickson, they all look really busy out there, but it amounts to not a lot.

OK, he sucks. I hate the guy, and I'm sorry I ever mentioned his name. And LeBronze better quit saying that Shumpert ". . . will be on the all-defensive team in this league really soon." WTF does he know, anyhow . . .

 

[BlazerCaravan]

OK, he sucks. I hate the guy, and I'm sorry I ever mentioned his name. And LeBronze better quit saying that Shumpert ". . . will be on the all-defensive team in this league really soon." WTF does he know, anyhow . . .

Well, he's the moron who traded for Love.

 

[Natebishop3]

Protected his value? What did he do pre-injury to warrant a pay raise?

IMHO, his contract was more than fair. I'm sure he WANTS a raise - but what did he do to earn it?

Play a position of need for many teams and has shown an ability to be a starting caliber shooting guard? The fact that Wes was projected to get 14-15 million a year is a pretty good indication that Afflalo could get 9-10 easily. I love Wes, but he's not a star. He's a really good starter. Do you think he's worth max money?

 

[BBert]

Play a position of need for many teams and has shown an ability to be a starting caliber shooting guard? The fact that Wes was projected to get 14-15 million a year is a pretty good indication that Afflalo could get 9-10 easily. I love Wes, but he's not a star. He's a really good starter. Do you think he's worth max money?

No, I don't think Wes is worth max money.

It doesn't matter what I think though. The market will decide.

 

[B-Roy]

So if Arron leaves, that helps our cap situation, right?

Right.

And if Arron signs with us for a smaller, longer-term contract, that helps our cap situation too, right?

He wouldn't have opted out if that's what he was going to do.

Or we could sign-and-trade him, right?

Only a team over the cap would want him, but who's going to give up anything more than a 2nd rounder for a S&T Afflalo?

Options?

There aren't really any. Just accept that we used a 1st rounder to gamble on half a season of Afflalo - and it didn't work out.

 

[oldmangrouch]

No, I don't think Wes is worth max money.

It doesn't matter what I think though. The market will decide.

Play a position of need for many teams and has shown an ability to be a starting caliber shooting guard? The fact that Wes was projected to get 14-15 million a year is a pretty good indication that Afflalo could get 9-10 easily. I love Wes, but he's not a star. He's a really good starter. Do you think he's worth max money?

No, I don't think Wes is worth the max...particularly since the history of recovery from that type of injury isn't promising.

What is Danny Green going to make? I would take him over AA in a heartbeat.

 

[santeesioux]

I'll take Lopez over Jordan seven days a week and twice on Sunday.

He'd be a great back up on a higher seeded playoff team.