Event AT what point would you consider the US to be over populated.

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Right Now! Keep immigrants away. Charge 10k to get in the country. If they are IT guys make that 20K. They get paid six figure and take American jobs.
 
MarAzul said:
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I've long ago accepted the fact that there will continue to be more and more people in the world...we live in a country that is a few hundred years old as it's defined....China ...15 thousand years of history...as I said...food and economics determine population for the most part..the point of overpopulation for me is well before there are not enough resources to support the population...my immigrant wife had one child and is a citizen...she's not the problem...teen parents are all around us and born and bred right here....they'll make babies but my son's generation has seen the cost of raising a child and the cost of living as setting the bar towards having kids pretty high...non of them seem to be rushing parenthood so far..26-27 year olds
 
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stampedehero said:
Right Now! Keep immigrants away. Charge 10k to get in the country. If they are IT guys make that 20K. They get paid six figure and take American jobs.
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You do that you better bring back the American drunks, pedophiles and junkies from all over the globe who live overseas
 
riverman said:
.non of them seem to be rushing parenthood so far..26-27 year olds
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All true. Thus we do not grow without immigration which will have a double our population again soon after the mid point of this Century.

Doubling it before was easy, it has tripled during my time. Doubling it again will be very difficult. Most place lack the water, the list of lacks is long.
 
riverman said:
You do that you better bring back the American drunks, pedophiles and junkies from all over the globe who live overseas
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They should be charged 10K to stay and if they are IT people 20K. American drunks pedophiles and junkies are found in Amsterdam, Marseille and Berlin, I'll bet. Why would they want to come back here?
 
stampedehero said:
They should be charged 10K to stay and if they are IT people 20K. American drunks pedophiles and junkies are found in Amsterdam, Marseille and Berlin, I'll bet. Why would they want to come back here?
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Some I've heard are actually good people...we need to lead by example and repatriate our criminals and deadbeats...set an example for Canada and Mexico! (green font) Get them back on their side of the wall!
 
riverman said:
from most of your posts it should be titled....I'm not interested in any of you folks opinions because I know them already
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That is and odd take. I sure don't know the answer to this question I submitted. I don't even understand why most of you don't care what the answer might be.
 
riverman said:
What's your answer Marz…..you've talked about questions a lot but where's your solution?
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Oh, I don't think I should answer the question as the answer comes from just how much people are willing to give up to provide for a greater population.
In my view we have already given up far too much, but perhaps as is normal, I am not even close to the opinion of the majority.

When there are fish in the rivers again, then we would have room for more people. Reservations for a plethora of things is very difficult to come by now, where once, reservations were not required. The list is long. But I wanted to hear the view of people that do not remember when access was unconstrained, fish for the family could easily be caught, legally.
 
MarAzul said:
Oh, I don't think I should answer the question as the answer comes from just how much people are willing to give up to provide for a greater population.
In my view we have already given up far too much, but perhaps as is normal, I am not even close to the opinion of the majority.

When there are fish in the rivers again, then we would have room for more people. Reservations for a plethora of things is very difficult to come by now, where once, reservations were not required. The list is long. But I wanted to hear the view of people that do not remember when access was unconstrained, fish for the family could easily be caught, legally.
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unfortunately wild seafood mostly in the Atlantic but some over here is mercury laden...the fishing industry is moving into fish farming big time. Drift netting messed with the oceans marine population big time. Japanese have farmed tuna on their islands for a long time now...temperature controlled environment where they lower the water temp until the tuna goes to sleep...then freeze them and ship them to San Francisco for sashimi...sad that the fish population has been thinned to this point in the wild...sadder that we've polluted their feeding grounds over the centuries...fortunately we've got 23 rainbow trout in the freezer already
 
riverman said:
unfortunately wild seafood mostly in the Atlantic but some over here is mercury laden...the fishing industry is moving into fish farming big time. Drift netting messed with the oceans marine population big time. Japanese have farmed tuna on their islands for a long time now...temperature controlled environment where they lower the water temp until the tuna goes to sleep...then freeze them and ship them to San Francisco for sashimi...sad that the fish population has been thinned to this point in the wild...sadder that we've polluted their feeding grounds over the centuries...fortunately we've got 23 rainbow trout in the freezer already
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Now you are getting a feel for my question and the reasons for wanting to see the opinions in quantifiable terms. More people is not a feel good thing, we have already over stressed our environment. Our combined demand has exceeded the capacity of many resource.
 
MarAzul said:
Now you are getting a feel for my question and the reasons for wanting to see the opinions in quantifiable terms. More people is not a feel good thing, we have already over stressed our environment. Our combined demand has exceeded the capacity of many resource.
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In the Yale article I posted though food production more than doubled population increase this year...we've recently had a chain of natural disasters over the last decade that have displaced many people...that always affects the graphs
 
MarAzul said:
Now you are getting a feel for my question and the reasons for wanting to see the opinions in quantifiable terms. More people is not a feel good thing, we have already over stressed our environment. Our combined demand has exceeded the capacity of many resource.
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You should really consider what your EPA administrator is doing to accelerate stressing of the environment.
More people is certainly a problem, but so is the behavior of the existing people*.

*Corporations are people too.

barfo
 
~~~GOD~~~ said:

There is a misconception that growth is good. This is not correct. Continued growth will be the death of your current way of life. This need for growth is stemmed from greed. To have more. To be bigger than your neighbor.
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If the earth could talk,,,, 10-15 million max.

That is the "estimate" of the population our country could sustain if we became hunters and gathers again. Anything above 15 million is using up limited natural resouces.

Of course Origonians would do well as gathers. They are very good mushroom pickers and are leading the world for surviving on hemp products.

PS to god.
Read your book. People have been talking about it for years.
 
barfo said:
You should really consider what your EPA administrator is doing to accelerate stressing of the environment.
More people is certainly a problem, but so is the behavior of the existing people*.

*Corporations are people too.

barfo
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I would not attempt to argue against your statements barf. I do find it perplexing though that progressives support both, more environment protection and a greater population at the same time.

Very inconsistent in my view.
 
MarAzul said:
I would not attempt to argue against your statements barf. I do find it perplexing though that progressives support both, more environment protection and a greater population at the same time.

Very inconsistent in my view.
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I actually support a lesser population...my son got married and bought a house
 
barfo said:
*Corporations are people too.
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Why do people on the left find that odd? I mean it is only closely held corporations that are people too. It seems completely logical to me since in that case you can identify the person or persons associated with the Corporation. Not at all like Boeing, that could not possible have a religious view, due to the plethora of owners?
 
riverman said:
I actually support a lesser population...my son got married and bought a house
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Well, uncontrolled immigration is the only way we will proceed counter to you wishes. At least until the Americans change their view and their reproduction track record.
 
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