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At what point do you think they should not bring back Nurk/Collins?


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julius

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I know we just need to "believe harder" (send thoughts and prayers please)...but at what point do you just hope the team shuts down Collins and Nurk for the year and realize their return is probably more detrimental than anything?

I'm getting close to that feeling already. Makes for a more enjoyable time actually, that way I'm not depressed with the losses and I can enjoy the growth of Simons and Little, along with enjoyinh watching Damian.
 
Half of me wants us to tank. But the other half of me doesn't want us to for the simple reason that Olshey would blow it and draft some nobody while missing All NBA talent.
 
It's looking like a wasted prime year for Dame.

Everyone should be available in trade talks aside from Dame and Anfernee.
 
Half of me wants us to tank. But the other half of me doesn't want us to for the simple reason that Olshey would blow it and draft some nobody while missing All NBA talent.

He’s actually pretty good at the draft it’s everything else he sucks at
 
I was looking at the draft prospects after tonight's loss. Honestly, don't see anyone in this draft right now that is going to come in and be able to help next year unless we somehow got the first or second pick.

I think you let things play out. When they are ready to come back, you let them come back. If we're well out of it, maybe you are a little more patient with it, but I don't think playing them the last couple of months is going to obscenely alter our draft prospects.
 
He’s actually pretty good at the draft it’s everything else he sucks at

Really? Not sure a good GM would have drafted Biggie. Or chose Zach Collins instead of John Collins. I'm sure I can find other blown picks of his too.

And don't get me started on being a no-show year after year when FAs come up. Though I give him some credit on good trades.
 
Really? Not sure a good GM would have drafted Biggie. Or chose Zach Collins instead of John Collins. I'm sure I can find other blown picks of his too.

And don't get me started on being a no-show year after year when FAs come up. Though I give him some credit on good trades.

Well he drafted Lillard, drafted CJ even though Gannis was on the board but everybody missed on Gannis. Also he got Simons late in the 1st round.

a bunch of decent 2nd rounders as well. I agree he messed up picking Zach Collins but he isn’t completely useless.
 
Well he drafted Lillard, drafted CJ even though Gannis was on the board but everybody missed on Gannis. Also he got Simons late in the 1st round.

a bunch of decent 2nd rounders as well. I agree he messed up picking Zach Collins but he isn’t completely useless.

Dame was Paul's pick. I even heard Neil say so himself in an interview years ago. CJ was Dame's buddy, so he probably had influence with that. Simons is good, but will never be great unless he develops elite defense.

And let's not forget the wonderful contracts he gave out, including to Leonard and that other clown Evan Turner, which is half of the reason why we still don't have any money.

He's utterly shit at his job. He thinks he's so great because he once drafted good players for the Clippers; ignoring the fact that they never made it past the first round.
 
We lost 4 or so games by less than 5 points. We could easily be 8-4 instead of 4-8. Plus, theres seventy games left. Stop :smiley-195517897341ing

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Dame was Paul's pick. I even heard Neil say so himself in an interview years ago. CJ was Dame's buddy, so he probably had influence with that. Simons is good, but will never be great unless he develops elite defense.

And let's not forget the wonderful contracts he gave out, including to Leonard and that other clown Evan Turner, which is half of the reason why we still don't have any money.

He's utterly shit at his job. He thinks he's so great because he once drafted good players for the Clippers; ignoring the fact that they never made it past the first round.

Dame is great and doesn’t have elite defense
 
Dame is great and doesn’t have elite defense

And Dame was an IMMEDIATE contributor on the floor, in the starting lineup, with ROTY credentials. That's the part you're leaving out. What he brings offensively greatly outweighs his lack of defense MOST of the time.

Nobody we've drafted since even comes close.
 
And Dame was an IMMEDIATE contributor on the floor, in the starting lineup, with ROTY credentials. That's the part you're leaving out. What he brings offensively greatly outweighs his lack of defense MOST of the time.

Nobody we've drafted since even comes close.

And you are leaving out that Simons is only 20 and is far superior athletically than Damian was at the same age. It's comical how stupid that is.
 
And Dame was an IMMEDIATE contributor on the floor, in the starting lineup, with ROTY credentials. That's the part you're leaving out. What he brings offensively greatly outweighs his lack of defense MOST of the time.

Nobody we've drafted since even comes close.

Dame played four years in college and we drafted him at age 22. Simons didn't play in college and is still only 20.
 
Dame played four years in college and we drafted him at age 22. Simons didn't play in college and is still only 20.

And who's problem is that? And more importantly, who's problem is it for drafting a high school kid with no college experience?
 
If we aren’t sniffing playoffs by ASB, otherwise bring them back when good and ready. We are really missing both of them and when they are back this is a totally different team.
 
If we are 10 games below .500 after more than 40 games, shut them down and give Dame and CJ some rest. Utah went from 17-28 to 48-34 two years ago (astounding 31-6!) and Miami went from 10-31 to 41-41 and barely missed the playoffs, I think it was the same season, so it can be done but if we are far behind then let's relax.
 
Whenever they are healthy enough to play without risking injury.

This season is quickly becoming a dumpster fire, but their careers aren't.

Nurk and Zach are still approaching their primes and they need NBA minutes to maximize their potential.

Even if they get those minutes on a lottery team, well, it's still experience. Every minute you can be out on the court (and especially playing with Damian Lillard) is a good thing.
 
Boy, I guess having low expectations has helped me out this year...
 
We're not bottom of the West....


...yet...


...but we have lost to the team that is.
 
I do think though at some point this season you have to ask yourself if it's better just to rehab Nurkic and Collins without playing them. A few things have to happen first. Blazers would need to continue their losing ways through December. If that happens, then I would be shocked if Portland didn't look to go big in the trade market in Jan/Feb in one last attempt to snag the 8th seed. This would be the Love/Griffin kind of trade. If they are losing in Dec/Jan and can't pull off a big trade, that is when you should probably go all in on playing Ant, Trent Jr., Skal, Little, and maybe Collins at the end just to try and set up for next season.

Getting Nurkic and Collins back next season will be the biggest thing this team needs. Whiteside may get more blocks, but clearly Nurkic/Collins keep people away from the rim, or force a lower shooting percentage. But, given the hugely disappointing season, I am hoping for some kind of big trade.
 

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