Auburn vs Oregon, "The Natty!" Game Thread!

[oldmangrouch]

Depends on what you view as a step back. If possibly not playing in the natty is a step back then yeah a step back can easily happen. But this school is here to stay as a perennial PAC 10/12 contender. They have made these last two runs on top 25 recruiting classes... now they are in good position to pull top 10 classes and above

When was the last time a team played for the Natty 2 years in a row? Honestly, I can't come up with an answer. The Ducks caught lightning in a bottle this season, and history says they are unlikely to do it again.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hey, if you still want some Natty gear, I'm sure that shit will be dirt cheap tomorrow

 

[Wheels]

When was the last time a team played for the Natty 2 years in a row? Honestly, I can't come up with an answer. The Ducks caught lightning in a bottle this season, and history says they are unlikely to do it again.

Ohio state about 4 years iirc. But I don't necessarily view not playing In bcs back to back years a step back. So I guess what do you view as a step back?

 

[Natebishop3]

Ohio state about 4 years iirc. But I don't necessarily view not playing In bcs back to back years a step back. So I guess what do you view as a step back?

I think next year will be a rebuilding year of sorts. We'll still have Thomas, James, Barner, etc, but we will have lost Matthews and a bunch of other seniors. I think there will be an adjustment period... but you never know. Maybe not.

 

[Ed O]

Oregon should be the best team in the conference next year, but running the table is a tough thing and the odds are stacked against it.

Let's hope for a trip to the Rose Bowl and see what happens...

Ed O.

 

[huevonkiller]

I don't see it that way. It's not like Auburn came in and blew us out of the water. I'm so tired of hearing this SEC bullshit. Cam Newton looked very average. Their vaunted offense was not nearly as unstoppable as people made them out to be. Their defense played very good, but the Ducks also made a ton of unforced errors. This wasn't a case of another team just being superior... it was a close game, and the Ducks shot themselves in the foot again and again and again.

Well these were certainly two elite teams, in a Monte Carlo simulation where this game is played 10000 times Oregon would probably win a fair amount. They looked comparable to Auburn, but Auburn looked slightly better in this game.

They had time, timeouts, a very good opportunity at mid-field to decide the game even without the miracle run. Before that they almost milked the whole clock, so Auburn set the pace of this game offensively. There was no need for Newton to become a gunslinger, or go for fourth downs. Only when they blew the lead did they finally get aggressive again, they looked overall a bit better than Oregon. Newton looked respectable and was solid, Auburn had a big enough lead they didn't need to pass much for most of the second half. Or go for that last TD through the air or on a qb draw.

 

[Wheels]

Oregon should be the best team in the conference next year, but running the table is a tough thing and the odds are stacked against it.

Let's hope for a trip to the Rose Bowl and see what happens...

Ed O.

totally agree on that.. obviously I want to go undefeated every year, but I realize how hard it is to do so. But No doubt in my mind this is the best team in the Pac-12 next year.

 

[Wheels]

I expect more from DT next season. He'll be a junior and he can't be making stupid mistakes like he did tonight.

I disagree here. Thomas did pretty good throwing the ball when under constant pressure. There were not many read plays where he even had time to make the read without Fairley and co already blowing up the play. Thomas started off jumpy but I wouldnt say he made bad decisions though, but he did sail a few balls high at the beginning. Thomas did pretty good IMO.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Ohio state about 4 years iirc. But I don't necessarily view not playing In bcs back to back years a step back. So I guess what do you view as a step back?

That's actually a tough question. What I'd *like* is for them to win the Pac 10 and be a top 10 team.....but I'm not sure that is realistic. If they finish worse than second in the Pac 10 and/or out of the top 20, I will consider the season a failure.

 

[Wheels]

That's actually a tough question. What I'd *like* is for them to win the Pac 10 and be a top 10 team.....but I'm not sure that is realistic. If they finish worse than second in the Pac 10 and/or out of the top 20, I will consider the season a failure.

actually very realistic expectations at this point with the state of the program. I cant name 2 other Pac 10/12 teams who are better than the Ducks so I would think no worse than 2nd would be good, but this team is good enough to be first again. Next year I do think they will win the Pac 10 and be a top 10 team though. So If that isnt a step back to you, then no I dont think they will take a step back

 

[Natebishop3]

actually very realistic expectations at this point with the state of the program. I cant name 2 other Pac 10/12 teams who are better than the Ducks so I would think no worse than 2nd would be good, but this team is good enough to be first again. Next year I do think they will win the Pac 10 and be a top 10 team though. So If that isnt a step back to you, then no I dont think they will take a step back

How do you think we'll handle losing our seniors Wheels?

 

[Wheels]

How do you think we'll handle losing our seniors Wheels?

some big big shoes to fill in Matthews, Paysinger, Maehl, Jackson III (although he sometimes drove me crazy) and a lot of our line. I'm more comfortable with our line though cause how many of the two deep got big game experience. WR is where I am most worried about losing leadership. Maehl I am not so thrilled about filling his shoes... Sure there are faster, stronger, bigger WR's, but the dude was straight up clutch for us the last 3 years in particular. And dont forget DJ Davis either. We have some good young talent coming in with Sumler, Blackmon, and Rashaun Vaughn, but I just wont feel as good about that position until they take that fear from me lol. Tuinei is solid, Huff is great, but after that I'm not sure who will step up, Cantu seems to be hurt often, so that leaves Justin Hoffman after him in the depth chart? I would feel a lot better about it if Diante Jackson could have kept his grades up and got some time in this year. Matthews hurts a lot and Paysinger as well, but I feel pretty good with Kaddu, Clay, Bo Lokombo, and the additions of Wallace, and Lyerla if he plays there, and possibly one more or so in recruiting (please Dawson please)

 

[Wheels]

Also I guess to help alleviate some of the WR situation, I could see Barner lining up in the slot some more if Huff can slide outside, and that would help by getting Barner and LaMike on the field more, as well as giving Seastrunk more of an opportunity to get some reps in.

 

[MickZagger]

A step back? This team will take a step forward and win it all next year IMO. Who are they losing besides Maehl and Matthews? The experience getting this far gave them and all the players returning and plugging in some solid freshman will just improve this team. Plus the game against LSU will definitely be a big boost to the SOS if they can win that. LSU is expected to win the SEC next year.

The Ducks aren't going anywhere.

One other thing, I find it comical that Beavers fans are jump to talk smack after the Ducks just got beat in the National Title game. A.) The Beavs have never been in the title game. B.) The Ducks got beat by a field goal. C.) Duck fans were all about seeing the Beavs win the baseball title a few years back.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Great effort by the Ducks. Auburn was a little too big up front, butin the end, we shoul have beaten that team

 

[Wheels]

hmm looks like Cecil Newton lied again.. was actually at the game last night.

Cam knew it too... he went up looking for his dad.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/photo-cecil-newton-attended-bcs-title-game-29407

 

[oldmangrouch]

Only a matter of time before the Newton thing blows up.....but it won't really change anything. They can take away his awards and even team victories - but everybody who watched him will still know he was a dominant college player. It also won't impact his NFL earnings.

 

[Sex Panther]

Only a matter of time before the Newton thing blows up.....but it won't really change anything. They can take away his awards and even team victories - but everybody who watched him will still know he was a dominant college player. It also won't impact his NFL earnings.

He won't be a hall of famer, regardless.

 

[Wheels]

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[Sex Panther]

I think this game just showed how much of a beast Fairleys gonna be in the NFL

 

[huevonkiller]

He won't be a hall of famer, regardless.

He seems more polished than Vick coming out of college. So the talent is there, we'll have to see.

 

[Sex Panther]

He seems more polished than Vick coming out of college. So the talent is there, we'll have to see.

The problem with that is, he's nothing like Vick.

Vick is a once-in-a-lifetime athlete who had one of the 5 most powerful arms. He throws laser beams down 50-60 yards. At the very least, he was accurate with the long ball. Cam doesn't possess the legs or the arm Vick has. That Oregon game really exposed a lot of weaknesses in his game. I can see him (at best) being as good as the Falcons Vick but nowhere near Eagle's Vick. he reminds me a lot of Vince Young (with Tebow's running), actually.

I hope he's not a bust at the NFL level, though I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[huevonkiller]

He's a Vince Young type of athlete except he's a slightly better passer and has done it on tougher defenses than Oregon. Against Oregon he was solid, not at his best, he threw out his back but even ignoring that he has a whole season of work where he earned a heisman. I don't know how his style translates to the pros but he is more polished than Vince Young and has better passing efficiency than Tebow, combined with being a better runner.

Cam Newton was not exposed against Alabama, 3rd in the nation in points allowed where he tore them up through the air on the road down 24-0. Nor against LSU the 11th scoring defense where he ran over them. He is a freak coming out of the SEC and had the best college football season I've seen. He's so damn tall and he's 20-30 pounds heavier than Vince so he can take a pounding for most of the year. Auburn's defense usually put him in some pretty close games (53rd in the nation, not like Tebow's defenses), Auburn came out on top ultimately because he was so good. He has a lot of upside and didn't win most of the year with a great defense like other SEC champs.

 

[Natebishop3]

He seems more polished than Vick coming out of college. So the talent is there, we'll have to see.

No way. Vick was a monster. He isn't half the prospect that Vick was. Vick was blazing fast. Newton is just big. Against college defenses his 6'6 frame is an advantage, but in the NFL it won't be nearly as advantageous. I think the Ducks showed that speed can shut him down on the run, and his throwing wasn't even that great.

 

[huevonkiller]

No way. Vick was a monster. He isn't half the prospect that Vick was. Vick was blazing fast. Newton is just big. Against college defenses his 6'6 frame is an advantage, but in the NFL it won't be nearly as advantageous. I think the Ducks showed that speed can shut him down on the run, and his throwing wasn't even that great.

Alabama had a better defense, and LSU...

Well we're talking about their college careers, where Vick wasn't the rusher Newton is.

http://www.hokiesports.com/vick/stats.html

 

[Natebishop3]

Well we're talking about their college careers, where Vick wasn't the rusher Newton is. Nor the passer really, he's comparable at best but Newton was more dominant.

http://www.hokiesports.com/vick/stats.html

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Nice edit lol.

Seriously though, you don't think Vick was the rusher that Newton is? Are you kidding? Newton had more yards because, like I said, his size is a huge advantage in college, but that won't carry over as well in the NFL. He's not that fast.

You watch these highlights and tell me that Newton was more dominant.

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[Sex Panther]

He's a Vince Young type of athlete except he's a slightly better passer and has done it on tougher defenses than Oregon. Against Oregon he was solid, not at his best, he threw out his back but even ignoring that he has a whole season of work where he earned a heisman. I don't know how his style translates to the pros but he is more polished than Vince Young and has better passing efficiency than Tebow, combined with being a better runner.

Cam Newton was not exposed against Alabama, 3rd in the nation in points allowed where he tore them up through the air on the road down 24-0. Nor against LSU the 11th scoring defense where he ran over them. He is a freak coming out of the SEC and had the best college football season I've seen. He's so damn tall and he's 20-30 pounds heavier than Vince so he can take a pounding for most of the year. Auburn's defense usually put him in some pretty close games (53rd in the nation, not like Tebow's defenses), Auburn came out on top ultimately because he was so good. He has a lot of upside and didn't win most of the year with a great defense like other SEC champs.

I like Cam, but his style won't translate all too well in the pros. His mechanics are all off with his throws (kinda like Tebows, but better), and he's not all too accurate with the deep ball. He puts way too much air which will cause a lot of picks in the NFL. I'm actually surprised Cliff Harris didn't pick off more. In college, Cam Newton was so much bigger than his competition he had much more room for error. In the NFL, He'll be above average. Unless he goes into the right system with a spread O, he won't do well against 3-4s or cover schemes. He's not fast/quick enough, nor can he throw darts like Vick. He needs to make the proper hot reads, and if he can't do that in college, I have no idea how he can do it in the NFL where guys are much faster and stronger.

I can see Buffalo taking a chance on him, but they have far too many weaknesses at this point to pay mind. On a personal level, I want him to succeed so the NFL can have one great black QB who doesn't kill dogs.

 

[Sex Panther]

Nice edit lol.

Seriously though, you don't think Vick was the rusher that Newton is? Are you kidding? Newton had more yards because, like I said, his size is a huge advantage in college, but that won't carry over as well in the NFL. He's not that fast.

You watch these highlights and tell me that Newton was more dominant.

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On a strictly numbers basis. I'm sure thats what Huev meant. The only person i've ever seen as dominant at breaking teams down with his legs was his brother, Marcus Vick.

 

[huevonkiller]

I like Cam, but his style won't translate all too well in the pros. His mechanics are all off with his throws (kinda like Tebows, but better), and he's not all too accurate with the deep ball. He puts way too much air which will cause a lot of picks in the NFL. I'm actually surprised Cliff Harris didn't pick off more. In college, Cam Newton was so much bigger than his competition he had much more room for error. In the NFL, He'll be above average. Unless he goes into the right system with a spread O, he won't do well against 3-4s or cover schemes. He's not fast/quick enough, nor can he throw darts like Vick. He needs to make the proper hot reads, and if he can't do that in college, I have no idea how he can do it in the NFL where guys are much faster and stronger.

I can see Buffalo taking a chance on him, but they have far too many weaknesses at this point to pay mind. On a personal level, I want him to succeed so the NFL can have one great black QB who doesn't kill dogs.

Lol I repped you for the last line. Yeah like I said, he could fail or succeed I don't know. But this kid's size/athleticism is the reason I'd take a chance on him. Monster peaks are what I always aim for.

 

[Natebishop3]