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Do you really believe that? You're certainly entitled to that opinion, but I don't share it.

There is always another cake to bake my man. At some point we will eat the current cake, plus let's be honest we need cover for Oden.

Just having some fun with one of the most overused and misinterpreted quotes in Blazer history.



But I could see rumor being a reflection of the KP/PA fallout. KP made his bones drafting Roy and LMA, I could see him being reluctant to trade LMA even going so far as not to bring trade offeres for LMA for PA. Maybe PA wants to shake things up just as much as many of the fans do.
 
No, it's a risky maneuver with huge risk and a lot of upside. Basically you'd be trading the solid but underwhelming production of LMA for a potential top five 4/5 if Cousins develops into his full potential -- if the goal is championships this team needs one more big time impact player, that isn't coming in free agency, it's unlikely to be coming in a trade for an established star, and it's a longshot at best that Aldrige (and Oden from a health perspective) give us that edge.

But hey, I'm a gambler. It's go big or go home.

Aldridge has that same potential to be a top 4/5, and he's a proven player at this point and it's not like he's old. At this point who's to say Cousins reaches his potential and Aldridge doesn't?

Still see it as a lateral move
 
I think if it is Cousins that we are after it is more we are giving up on Oden then trading LMA. Cousins is a center and really not a NBA PF. He is 6-11 260lbs and plays as a center. I'm not sure if we trade LMA and draft Cousins who would play PF for us. Maybe a combination of Camby and Cousins but that really wouldn't as good as LMA at PF. Cousins is going to be a NBA starting center.
 
The cake has baked.....only somebody forgot to add eggs.....and it fell on the floor....and the dog tracked through it....and the cat used it for kitty litter.

If somebody offers a top 5 pick for any player on this team (outside of Roy), the team should grab it, squeal gleefully, and scamper off before they change their minds.
 
I think NJ would be more likely than Minnesota.

If NJ lands LeBron, bringing in LaMarcus makes sense to play alongside Lopez.

Minnesota has two 6'8"-6'9" PFs in Jefferson and Love.

I want Cousins on this team but what if they are eying Derrick Favors? it's just as possible.
 
The cake has baked.....only somebody forgot to add eggs.....and it fell on the floor....and the dog tracked through it....and the cat used it for kitty litter.

If somebody offers a top 5 pick for any player on this team (outside of Roy), the team should grab it, squeal gleefully, and scamper off before they change their minds.

Just because it's a top 5 pick is no guarantee that they would be better than the player we are giving up.
 
Weaknesses: Cousins' lack of maturity and mental focus is evident in his negative body language and lack of composure ... He tends to lose his head, looking disinterested or frustrated if things don't go his way. Also does not appear receptive to coaching, tuning out his coaches when they attempt to give him advice on the bench ... The big question is whether it's merely a lack of maturity due to age or something deeper ... To his credit he made it through the entire season without any suspensions or ejections. However, there were a few times (flagrant fouls) where he may have deserved to be ... Free throw shooting, while showing solid form, goes through bouts of inconsistency due to lack of focus.(appears to decrease as games progress) ... Occasionally forces the issue when its not there, and tries things that are out of his range ... His lateral movement could be a liability when guarding more agile players that can put the ball on the floor ... He lacks explosiveness, sometimes looking like he has weights on his feet, which could hurt him offensively as well as when facing up against more versatile big men in the NBA ... Lack of great explosiveness also decreases his shot blocking to some extent ... Tends to not hustle back on defense and disappear when his head is not in it ... Weight could be an issue if he does not learn to become disciplined about diet and off court habits ... Will basketball be his primary focus, or living life in the fast lane that accompanies it?

Fuckin' headcase
 
It sickens me to say this, and I don't think it would happen, but who says no to Oden and 22 for the #3 pick?

NJN says "Hey, Lebron...we've got a Lopez/Oden front line that we're gambling on health-wise, Devin Harris, Courtney Lee, and BPA at 22...Brooklyn in 2 years...interested?"

If KP's here, I don't think that ever gets floated. If KP's fired and Wark or someone is brought in, it's plausible that they look to jettison the "Bust".
 
Aldridge has that same potential to be a top 4/5, and he's a proven player at this point and it's not like he's old. At this point who's to say Cousins reaches his potential and Aldridge doesn't?

Still see it as a lateral move

Well ...

Code:
Season    Age  Tm  Lg   G  GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07    21 POR NBA  63  22 1392 6.2 12.4 .503 0.0 0.1 .000 2.1 3.0 .722 3.7 4.3 8.1 0.6 0.6 1.9 1.1 4.8 14.6
2007-08    22 POR NBA  76  76 2649 7.6 15.8 .484 0.0 0.1 .143 3.1 4.0 .762 3.0 4.9 7.9 1.7 0.7 1.3 1.7 3.3 18.3
2008-09    23 POR NBA  81  81 3004 7.2 14.9 .484 0.1 0.3 .250 3.1 4.0 .781 2.8 4.4 7.3 1.9 0.9 0.9 1.5 2.5 17.6
2009-10    24 POR NBA  78  78 2922 7.1 14.4 .495 0.1 0.2 .313 2.8 3.7 .757 2.4 5.4 7.7 2.0 0.8 0.6 1.3 2.8 17.2
Career            NBA 298 257 9967 7.2 14.6 .489 0.0 0.2 .245 2.9 3.8 .762 2.9 4.8 7.7 1.7 0.8 1.1 1.4 3.1 17.3

Code:
Season    Age  Tm  Lg   G   MP  PER  TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg  OWS  DWS   WS WS/48
2006-07    21 POR NBA  63 1392 17.1 .533 .503 12.6 15.3 13.9  3.2  0.9  4.2  7.5 19.3  113  109  2.5  1.0  3.4 0.118
2007-08    22 POR NBA  76 2649 18.5 .523 .484  9.8 15.8 12.8  8.8  1.1  2.8  8.9 25.3  108  107  3.5  2.8  6.2 0.113
2008-09    23 POR NBA  81 3004 19.1 .529 .486  9.5 15.6 12.5  9.3  1.4  2.0  8.0 23.7  115  108  6.1  3.3  9.5 0.151
2009-10    24 POR NBA  78 2922 18.2 .535 .497  8.1 18.6 13.3  9.9  1.3  1.3  7.4 22.9  113  107  5.5  3.3  8.8 0.145
Career            NBA 298 9967 18.4 .529 .491  9.6 16.5 13.0  8.5  1.2  2.3  8.0 23.3  112  108 17.6 10.4 28.0 0.135

Going on 25 years old and his fifth year in the league. :dunno:

I expect more incremental and modest improvement, but maybe it's the amateur statistician in me and because I spend so much time doing trend analysis in my job, but that looks like a nice flat line to me and that flat line does not equal a top-end 4/5 IMO.
 
Weaknesses: The biggest concern with him right now is the lack of explosiveness … He is very effective at the current level because he simply outmuscles opponents, but once he faces bigger defenders, his athleticism (or lack thereof) will be exposed further. His post game is predicated on brute force, but he has not really shown many reliable back-to-the-basket moves … His motor might also be an issue as he gets winded fairly quickly, but it could just be the lack of conditioning … He has stretches where he completely disappears, at times he doesn’t even try to make an effort to run down the floor … He does not add much in rebounding department, as he lacks desire to attack the glass…

This isn't what you want to hear about elite talent going to the next level. Definitely sounds like more of a C like someone mentioned above, especially if he has freaking weight issues.
 
with Roy's window being now, and seeing that LMA's not an effective 2nd Banana in the playoffs, and that Oden may or may never be healthy, and Miller's not a great fit...I can totally see re-tooling. If they think a guy like Turner or Cousins will be better....I can see it happening.
Unlikely, but not "insane"


Nate (your favorite coach) came out at the end of the year and said he believes "LA has a huge window of growth". I don't think Blazers view him as "not effective" or "can't be the #2 guy."

I think the mentality of the Blazers is to build around Roy, LA and hopefully Oden . . . if that is the case, i don't see them trading LA for a drat pick.
 
Just because it's a top 5 pick is no guarantee that they would be better than the player we are giving up.

I agree completely. What we do know, is that the current Blazer roster isn't nearly good enough to contend. How do they improve without taking chances?
 
Don't misunderstand me...I think there are plenty worse coaches than Nate. But it's ironic that you bring him up....I feel almost the same way about Nate as I do about LMA. Neither has shown the ability to take the next step...both are still considered "young" with "upside", though LMA's basically plateaued at the sub-All-Star, 18/8 level and Nate's been shown to be a get-to-the-playoffs-and-lose kind of coach. You could definitely do worse than both, and if you kept both the conventional wisdom would say you're doing ok. But you're probably not going to be winning "cookies" (I learn something everyday, K*be!) with either in the roles they're in.
 
I think the mentality of the Blazers is to build around Roy, LA and hopefully Oden . . . if that is the case, i don't see them trading LA for a drat pick.

I hope the heck you are wrong....but I am afraid you will be proven correct. :sigh:
 
I agree completely. What we do know, is that the current Blazer roster isn't nearly good enough to contend. How do they improve without taking chances?

When injured they're definitely not, no. Healthy? TBD.
 
with Roy's window being now, and seeing that LMA's not an effective 2nd Banana in the playoffs, and that Oden may or may never be healthy, and Miller's not a great fit...I can totally see re-tooling. If they think a guy like Turner or Cousins will be better....I can see it happening.
Unlikely, but not "insane"

There is very distinct difference between Turner and Cousins/Favors.
 
I agree completely. What we do know, is that the current Blazer roster isn't nearly good enough to contend. How do they improve without taking chances?

No, "we" don't know that. It's your opinion that's the case. It's my opinion that if it weren't for the injuries this season, the Blazers would be playing in the WCF right now. Whether they could beat the Lakers this year, I doubt, but I'd say that playing in the WCF would be considered "contending".
 
I don't see Portland trading Greg, I don't see Minnesota wanting anything that we'd be willing to give up for the 4th, and I don't see the Nets taking on LMA's contract and eating up capspace for the 3rd pick. Even though Favors does look interesting.
 
OK first off ... it's Favors OR Harris (unless you want to package up Roy with Aldridge or part with a ton of bit player talent).

What am I missing here? How do we package up Aldridge, his BYC status, and Rudy for the #3 pick and make it work under the cap?

I now clearly know that Thorn was telling Woj tall tales about Pritchard balking on a Carter deal.

Anyhow, again, how could this possibly work under the cap? NJ would have to send a shitload back in salary to match the numbers, wouldn't they?
 
What am I missing here? How do we package up Aldridge, his BYC status, and Rudy for the #3 pick and make it work under the cap?

I now clearly know that Thorn was telling Woj tall tales about Pritchard balking on a Carter deal.

Anyhow, again, how could this possibly work under the cap? NJ would have to send a shitload back in salary to match the numbers, wouldn't they?

Devin Harris?
 
Devin Harris?

It says Favors OR Harris. That doesn't make sense to me. It would have to be both. That, I could do, but nik's post says either/or, which I don't at all understand. Read the post I was replying to again and tell me what I'm missing, because I don't see it. Nik's talking about adding Roy as well, which still makes no sense to me.
 
It says Favors OR Harris. That doesn't make sense to me. It would have to be both. That, I could do, but nik's post says either/or, which I don't at all understand. Read the post I was replying to again and tell me what I'm missing, because I don't see it. Nik's talking about adding Roy as well, which still makes no sense to me.

Couldn't it just be Harris?
 
I'm not even sure how Harris fits on this team, but who knows.

This is probably all for nothing anyways and won't happen.
 
What am I missing here? How do we package up Aldridge, his BYC status, and Rudy for the #3 pick and make it work under the cap?

I now clearly know that Thorn was telling Woj tall tales about Pritchard balking on a Carter deal.

Anyhow, again, how could this possibly work under the cap? NJ would have to send a shitload back in salary to match the numbers, wouldn't they?

Minny and NJ have boatloads of cap room, so they can absorb the difference between LMA's trade value and his contract value (about 5 or so million)
 
Why would it be Aldridge? If we pick 3rd or 4th, we'd be picking a center, right? So...Oden, Favors/Cousins, Camby, Przybilla. Sure, Przybilla will leave soon enough and Camby is old. but wouldn't...

Oden, Fernandez and our pick for Harris and #3 pick make more sense? We get a solid borderline all-star level PG the potential of an all star level C for the potential of a hall of fame center and a potential strong starter.

Or Oden and Bayless for Rubio's draft rights and the #4 pick. They're under the cap enough to make that happen. We'd keep Fernandez with the hopes we could lure Rubio over and make both happy, plus we get a center replacement for Oden who might pan out. They get a potential hall of fame center and a solid scorer.

Oden seems more likely than Aldridge to me, especially with the poison pill contract. I guess it depends on whether Favors or Cousins can play PF though?
 
The BYC hurts if you're sending him to a team over the cap. NJN doesn't need a traded player exception to get LMA, they can just assume his salary under the cap. So we're sending out last year's salary (2009-10 salary > 1/2 of the 10,744,000M for 2010-11) value in trade, and NJN is accepting 10.744M. If they weren't under the cap, it wouldn't meet the 125% +100k rule (in this case 7.406M) for a TPE. In this case, taking the 10.744M keeps them under the cap, so as long as we only take back less than that b/w 4.675 and 7.406M. By adding Rudy, it goes to 5.57M-8.89M range that needs to come back. If you wait until after the 3rd pick is signed, it'll be for 4.138M (120% of the rookie scale). If not, it has no value, except the 3.444M cap hold going into FA.

So potentially the pick could be signed, and then traded with Kris Humphries 3.2M for a 7.38M package coming back. Which works.
(here, question 75, for more on BYC)
 
PPP status through the draft, and BYC after the Moratorium, and neither is a problem for a team under the cap (like MIN and NJN are). In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons we're targeting NJN and MIN.)
 
Oden, Fernandez and our pick for Harris and #3 pick make more sense? We get a solid borderline all-star level PG the potential of an all star level C for the potential of a hall of fame center and a potential strong starter.

That seems frighteningly reasonable.
 
I don't think the Nets would trade for Oden. They have Lopez and wouldn't really need Oden.
 
Oden, Fernandez and our pick for Harris and #3 pick make more sense? We get a solid borderline all-star level PG the potential of an all star level C for the potential of a hall of fame center and a potential strong starter.

I cannot imagine any scenario where NJ even considers that trade..

Oden seems more likely than Aldridge to me, especially with the poison pill contract. I guess it depends on whether Favors or Cousins can play PF though?

In my opinion, Favors is strictly a PF in the NBA. Not a center.
 

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