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[Cake]

People here seem to only focus on the negatives of any player that plays here while praising any player that wears a different uniform and only focusing on their positives. It's crazyness.

Instead of recognizing Aldridge for the borderline AS talent that he is, they'd rather trade him for a prospect that is a headcase and has trouble with his weight. Say that out loud and not laugh.

This coming from the guy who is calling Cousins a headcase with a weight problem instead of saying he's one of the most athletic, offensively polished big men to come around in a long, long time.

Also ignored in all this is that we MAY be looking to get the #3-#4 pick as a stepping stone to #2. It may be that Evan Turner is a target if we get up that high. We went from #4 to #2 by giving up a marginal prospect a few years back. We might not pick at #3 or #4.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

If we trade with anyone I think it will be with Minni. They gotta have some interest in Rudy considering they really want Rubio over here as soon as possible.

LMA is a proven player who can without a doubt average 20+ pts and 8+ rbs if he works on his game a little more and plays inside more. Why would we trade him for an unproven rookie? Doesnt make any sense to me. We'd be taking a step back, not forward and its a huge gamble.

I wouldnt be suprised to see us package Joel (expiring contract), Rudy, and our 22nd pick and move up in the draft.

I'm not sold on the fact that Harris is all that much better than Miller. The advantage Harris has is that he's younger.

 

[hasoos]

If we trade with anyone I think it will be with Minni. They gotta have some interest in Rudy considering they really want Rubio over here as soon as possible.

LMA is a proven player who can without a doubt average 20+ pts and 8+ rbs if he works on his game a little more and plays inside more. Why would we trade him for an unproven rookie? Doesnt make any sense to me. We'd be taking a step back, not forward and its a huge gamble.

I wouldnt be suprised to see us package Joel (expiring contract), Rudy, and our 22nd pick and move up in the draft.

I'm not sold on the fact that Harris is all that much better than Miller. The advantage Harris has is that he's younger.

So what is it exactly that you see in Lamarcus game that makes you think he will ever play more inside? He didn't improve his game at all last year, in fact, I would go so far as to say it has regressed. He reminded me of Lamarcus year 2 but with more minutes.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If we can get to 3, we can probably get PHI to swap us the 2. PHI doesn't need Evan Turner (with Jrue Holiday and Iggy?) , but we could use him.

If Philly's willing to trade down to 3, why wouldn't NJ just trade up w/Philly? I imagine they'd want Turner a hell of a lot more than anything they could get from us.

 

[illmatic99]

So what is it exactly that you see in Lamarcus game that makes you think he will ever play more inside? He didn't improve his game at all last year, in fact, I would go so far as to say it has regressed. He reminded me of Lamarcus year 2 but with more minutes.

Why do you insist on having Aldridge play inside more? That isn't his game. But his game is supposed to mesh perfectly with Oden's. Without having even seen one full season of the duo together, there is no need to trade one of them away for far bigger question marks in Cousins or Favors.

I can't believe some of you guys are willing to start this process over again. Fuckin hell, we just had horrible luck with injuries this year, or we would have been in the WCFs. Have some patience.

 

[e_blazer]

Why do you insist on having Aldridge play inside more? That isn't his game. But his game is supposed to mesh perfectly with Oden's. Without having even seen one full season of the duo together, there is no need to trade one of them away for far bigger question marks in Cousins or Favors.

I can't believe some of you guys are willing to start this process over again. Fuckin hell, we just had horrible luck with injuries this year, or we would have been in the WCFs. Have some patience.

^ +1

 

[Pinwheel1]

Why do you insist on having Aldridge play inside more? That isn't his game. But his game is supposed to mesh perfectly with Oden's. Without having even seen one full season of the duo together, there is no need to trade one of them away for far bigger question marks in Cousins or Favors.

I can't believe some of you guys are willing to start this process over again. Fuckin hell, we just had horrible luck with injuries this year, or we would have been in the WCFs. Have some patience.

^+2 Agreed. You need both an Oden type and a LMA type. Otherwise the middle will be waaaaaaay to crowded. Embrace LMA's skills, as Oden and Camby cover his weakness. (and neither can come close to LMA's skills)

 

[blazerboy30]

with Roy's window being now

Link?

 

[Wheels]

Why do you insist on having Aldridge play inside more? That isn't his game. But his game is supposed to mesh perfectly with Oden's. Without having even seen one full season of the duo together, there is no need to trade one of them away for far bigger question marks in Cousins or Favors.

I can't believe some of you guys are willing to start this process over again. Fuckin hell, we just had horrible luck with injuries this year, or we would have been in the WCFs. Have some patience.

yep exactly how I feel. A healthy Oden would make LMA the PERFECT compliment. We get mad cause his lack of inside presence.. but with a healthy Oden, this place would sing nothing but praises about his outside game, and how much space he creates.

 

[Minstrel]

Low post and high post. Peanut butter and jelly. Once Oden is healthy, everything falls into its natural place. It's a little scary that so much depends on someone who's missed so much time to injury, but he's really the guy who can solve nearly all the issues regarding Portland's offense and defense.

No pressure or anything...have a good summer, big guy!

 

[Ed O]

It sickens me to say this, and I don't think it would happen, but who says no to Oden and 22 for the #3 pick?

There's no way I do this. Not in a hundred years. I'd rather have Oden than anyone in this draft than Wall.

Ed O.

 

[Wheels]

Low post and high post. Peanut butter and jelly. Once Oden is healthy, everything falls into its natural place. It's a little scary that so much depends on someone who's missed so much time to injury, but he's really the guy who can solve nearly all the issues regarding Portland's offense and defense.

No pressure or anything...have a good summer, big guy!

lol exactly.

 

[RR7]

I know it was touched upon in this thread earlier, but IF we were to look at getting a pick up that high, I'd imagine it would have something to do with Bosh. There was something I read the other day, about the NBA saying teams can discuss details of a S&T, but, obviously, can not discuss it with the player. Undoubtedly, Bosh has talked to Toronto management about where he might like to go. My thought would be , again, IF true, PDX and Hou both inquired to Colangelo about Bosh. And BC likely said I'd want Cousins for him, not Aldridge, or Hill/Scola. So then PDX and Houston turn around and see what it'd take to get the #3 or 4 to get Cousins.

One might say why wouldn't NJ just trade #3 for Cousins, it's quite possible Bosh already told BC he doesn't want to go there. So it's not like they can cut us out of the deal and get Bosh. The big problem I see is moving Aldridge for the #3, and then having pieces to move for Bosh. I suppose our best bet is Aldridge to NJ for #3, and then Joel, Martell, Rudy and #3 for Bosh. Although I don't see NJ moving #3 for Aldridge, with all of their cap space. They can sign Boozer, and still have the #3 pick. We'd need to give them some other incentive. Unless Bosh took a slightly less than max deal, in which we could send Rudy, #22 and LMA to NJ for #3, and then #3, Joel and Martell for Bosh. Would leave us with

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Bayless
Batum
Bosh/Cunningham
Oden/Camby

However, we'd have our MLE, the BAE, vet minimum, AND an 11.9 million dollar TPE. Turn around and trade that for, say, Beasley and James Jones and their first rounder? To Chicago for Hinrich and their first, or Deng and their's?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Link?

Refutational response to Post 12, which started "With Roy's window being now..."

 

[glazeduck]

So this might be a bit out there, but given the other ideas discussed in this thread, I don't believe it's Egregiously so...

The rumor is that Portland is working hard to "move up" to 3 or 4. My thoughts on this are, a) we heard last year that KP was trying hard to move up multiple times, like a game of leapfrog, and b) who's to say that this is a complete rumor? As a rule, I don't doubt Woj, he's generally the most accurate and well informed basketball writer that follows the NBA (to my knowledge anyway), but that doesn't mean that, assuming this rumor has teeth to it, that it's not just part of the rumor...

Here's what I think: I think "Portland trying to move up to 3 or 4" doesn't make alot of sense to me, simply because there's only 1 player in this draft that makes sense for our current situation, that player's name is John Wall. Cousins and Favors are both very talented players, and both could end up being better than GO and LA respectively, but given the situation we're in NOW, looking to advance in the playoffs, beginning to enter our star's prime, rising star at the 3, young, talented potential at the 4 and 5, and a fading PG that happens to be a bit of a square peg to begin, Wall is the only player that makes immediate sense.

What if Portland were talking to DC and NJ/Minny about a 3way. Both NJ and Minny have pgs who may (or may not) be available for the right price, and Washington knows that if it traded down to 3 or 4 they could still get a very talented player, along with other pieces.

What if Portland traded Nic Batum and 22 to Minny for 3 and Corey Brewer? Minny's been said to be looking for an upgrade at the wing and he could be a star there, not to mention they have 3 1st round draft picks that they could package to gether to move back up if they wanted. Meanwhile, Portland makes a big jump to 3 and brings in a similar player who, when health, has been reasonably productive. Portland can make this trade because it has 2 solid, young 3s with a 3rd stashed in Europe, and potentially a 4th mending his groin in LA. From there, we could trade future picks, cash, Rudy, Bayless, Miller, 3, euros, Dante Cunningham (have to believe he'd be popular in DC playing only 3 hours away in the big east), and whatever it took to move up to 1 for Wall.

Obviously this is a hazy 'idea' at best, but in trying to make sense of what we've been "given" by woj... It just doesn't compute with me. For better or for worse we're all in with Oden, and, unless this is all to turn around and trade the 3 for Bosh, LA, despite his shortcommings, will still be better in the coming years than Favors. Wall, to me, is the only way this puzzle makes sense...

 

[Wheels]

I know it was touched upon in this thread earlier, but IF we were to look at getting a pick up that high, I'd imagine it would have something to do with Bosh. There was something I read the other day, about the NBA saying teams can discuss details of a S&T, but, obviously, can not discuss it with the player. Undoubtedly, Bosh has talked to Toronto management about where he might like to go. My thought would be , again, IF true, PDX and Hou both inquired to Colangelo about Bosh. And BC likely said I'd want Cousins for him, not Aldridge, or Hill/Scola. So then PDX and Houston turn around and see what it'd take to get the #3 or 4 to get Cousins.

One might say why wouldn't NJ just trade #3 for Cousins, it's quite possible Bosh already told BC he doesn't want to go there. So it's not like they can cut us out of the deal and get Bosh. The big problem I see is moving Aldridge for the #3, and then having pieces to move for Bosh. I suppose our best bet is Aldridge to NJ for #3, and then Joel, Martell, Rudy and #3 for Bosh. Although I don't see NJ moving #3 for Aldridge, with all of their cap space. They can sign Boozer, and still have the #3 pick. We'd need to give them some other incentive. Unless Bosh took a slightly less than max deal, in which we could send Rudy, #22 and LMA to NJ for #3, and then #3, Joel and Martell for Bosh. Would leave us with

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Bayless
Batum
Bosh/Cunningham
Oden/Camby

However, we'd have our MLE, the BAE, vet minimum, AND an 11.9 million dollar TPE. Turn around and trade that for, say, Beasley and James Jones and their first rounder? To Chicago for Hinrich and their first, or Deng and their's?

good thing I had pants on while reading that.. otherwise I would need a new keyboard.

 

[craigehlo]

I think the real target should be Andre Igudala now that the 76ers are going to draft Evan Turner at 2. Trade Joel's contract + Webster + the 22nd pick for him. He's a tough defender and a scorer that can got the FT when the jumpshots aren't falling.

 

[illmatic99]

The big problem I see is moving Aldridge for the #3, and then having pieces to move for Bosh. I suppose our best bet is Aldridge to NJ for #3, and then Joel, Martell, Rudy and #3 for Bosh.

If Bosh wants the max, then we'd probably have to include more salary going to TOR. Possibly switch Dre for Marty.

 

[ehizzy3]

If we trade with anyone I think it will be with Minni. They gotta have some interest in Rudy considering they really want Rubio over here as soon as possible.

LMA is a proven player who can without a doubt average 20+ pts and 8+ rbs if he works on his game a little more and plays inside more. Why would we trade him for an unproven rookie? Doesnt make any sense to me. We'd be taking a step back, not forward and its a huge gamble.

I wouldnt be suprised to see us package Joel (expiring contract), Rudy, and our 22nd pick and move up in the draft.

I'm not sold on the fact that Harris is all that much better than Miller. The advantage Harris has is that he's younger.

And Harris makes miller look like steve Nash on defense


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[hasoos]

When Iguodala's jumpshots aren't falling? When isn't that?

 

[Wheels]

And Harris makes miller look like steve Nash on defense


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just outta curiousity.. what kinda device are you using to post?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Cousins finished his season with a PER of 34

Greg's PER at Ohio State was 33.

 

[ehizzy3]

just outta curiousity.. what kinda device are you using to post?

Lol i don't type that ftr.


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[illmatic99]

Cousins finished his season with a PER of 34

Greg's PER at Ohio State was 33.

Rudy had a 32 PER in Europe in 30 games , while playing 28 mpg in 07/08.

That stat is meaningless, because there is so much variation between College/Europe and the NBA.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Rudy had a 32 PER in Europe in 30 games , while playing 28 mpg in 07/08.

That stat is meaningless, because there is so much variation between College/Europe and the NBA.

Comparing Cousin's college stats to Oden's college stats is meaningless? Whatever.

 

[hasoos]

Rudy had a 32 PER in Europe in 30 games , while playing 28 mpg in 07/08.

That stat is meaningless, because there is so much variation between College/Europe and the NBA.

Exactamundo. What the hell does a guard have to do with a conversation on comparing two bigs anyhow? Are we comparing bigs here, or next are we going to compare the PERS to a point guard in Latvia?

 

[illmatic99]

Comparing Cousin's college stats to Oden's college stats is meaningless? Whatever.

I didn't mean to deride the comparison between the two. Sorry if it came out that way.

I'm just saying that trying to extrapolate too much information from that PER stat outside the NBA isn't very useful.

 

[Masbee]

I expect more incremental and modest improvement, but maybe it's the amateur statistician in me and because I spend so much time doing trend analysis in my job, but that looks like a nice flat line to me and that flat line does not equal a top-end 4/5 IMO.

LaMarcus did improve from his rookie season to his sophmore season in PER. Then from his sohphmore campaign to his 3rd year he developed a more well rounded game and became a better defender and team player. The team won more games and his Win Shares went up. 4th season was flat.

How is that FLAT for 4 straight years?

 

[RR7]

If Bosh wants the max, then we'd probably have to include more salary going to TOR. Possibly switch Dre for Marty.

Difficulty is then having much bigger changes to the team, integrating a new PG, instead of just swapping Bosh for LMA, and adjusting the bench. Bosh max deal would start at 16,568,908 I believe(105% of this season). 80% of that is 13,255,126. Joel and Martell together is 12,205,300. So throw in a S&T of Patty Mills for 3 years, 3 million, only 1st year guaranteed, and you're there.

 

[BrianFromWA]

If you're going to look at the granularity differences to say that in his 3rd year, he "became a better defender and player", then you can't say that 4th season was flat. It went down, almost across the board.

Now, (forget the trivial counting stats of 18pts, 8reb a year for 3 years now), if you think that maintaining a PER between 18.2 and 19.1, a TS% b/w 52.3% and 53.2%, a TRB% of between 12.5 and 13.9, a TO% of b/w 7.4 and 8.9, a D-Rating of 109,108,107,108, an O-rating the same as his rookie year, AST% of 8.8, 9.3 and 9.9 with BLock%s of 4.2, 2.8, 2.0, 1.3 (etc.) isn't flat, then we probably shouldn't be discussing this here. What stat are you looking at to say there's been improvement? Win Shares only?