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wizenheimer said:
he only played 16 minutes last night....coach decision or injury?
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Injury according to the googles. Back spasms. Tho Im sure the Lakers and their fans are quickly realizing what Phoenix fans knew and we found out.
 
julius said:
Injury according to the googles. Back spasms. Tho Im sure the Lakers and their fans are quickly realizing what Phoenix fans knew and we found out.
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at least the Lakers have the relief of paying him 8M/year for 2 years. Portland paid him 33M/year for 2 years; and is paying him 25M this year to play for another team

which team is getting the best return: the one paying him 8M to play for them, or the one paying him 25M to get out of town?
 
wizenheimer said:
at least the Lakers have the relief of paying him 8M/year for 2 years. Portland paid him 33M/year for 2 years; and is paying him 25M this year to play for another team

which team is getting the best return: the one paying him 8M to play for them, or the one paying him 25M to get out of town?
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THe one paying him 25 to get out of town.
 
wizenheimer said:
which team is getting the best return: the one paying him 8M to play for them, or the one paying him 25M to get out of town?
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Honestly as crazy as it sounds I think we have the better end of those two deals.

Ayton isn't even a replacement level quality of player but needs touches/minutes/etc. I've never been an addition by subtraction proponent but this might be the one exception I'm on board with.
 
wizenheimer said:
which team is getting the best return: the one paying him 8M to play for them, or the one paying him 25M to get out of town?
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Win win, I guess. Ayton was the price of getting toumani, but once it was clear he is standing in the way of DC, it was time to let him go, it also allowed Portland to sign dame without tax implications.

At $8m, he is worth it for the Lakers, so everyone should be happy
 
wizenheimer said:
at least the Lakers have the relief of paying him 8M/year for 2 years. Portland paid him 33M/year for 2 years; and is paying him 25M this year to play for another team

which team is getting the best return: the one paying him 8M to play for them, or the one paying him 25M to get out of town?
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The Lakers are probably asking themselves why they didn’t spend $8 million on someone else, because they have to play Ayton in order to benefit. We don’t.
 
andalusian said:
Win win, I guess. Ayton was the price of getting toumani, but once it was clear he is standing in the way of DC, it was time to let him go, it also allowed Portland to sign dame without tax implications.

At $8m, he is worth it for the Lakers, so everyone should be happy
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i bet Tou would prefer to have the money cost in Ayton that allowed us to pick him up. :)
 
Laker fans are learning about Ayton the hard way, just like Blazer fans did. Can't wait to see what "brilliant" GM takes him on next.
 
andalusian said:
Win win, I guess. Ayton was the price of getting toumani,
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dumb luck and a dumb price to pay as well. Blazers could have had Camara with the 43rd pick in the draft but they rated Rupert higher. For some reason, Cronin carried a 2 year torch for Ayton and finally landed him in the Dame trade. When the trade was rumored, I was hoping Ayton was being re-routed and the Blazers would get other assets. But no...we had to endure 2 years of that asshat
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Laker fans are learning about Ayton the hard way, just like Blazer fans did. Can't wait to see what "brilliant" GM takes him on next.
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For a one year $8 million MLE deal there was very little risk from the Lakers.

Pretty different than when he was the highest paid player here and biggest name added in the Dame trade haul.

He'll certainly get a contract next year but I don't know he ever gets starter level multi year deal again.

So glad we don't have him on our roster this year - regardless of when we have losing stretches or wins.
 
wizenheimer said:
dumb luck and a dumb price to pay as well.
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The report was that JC insisted on him, so not dumb luck.


wizenheimer said:
Blazers could have had Camara with the 43rd pick in the draft but they rated Rupert higher.
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Sure. But quickly pivoted when they had more data from SL. Drafting is not an exact science. I would not put it against them when they were able to pivot so quickly when they were able to see these guys in an NBA adjacent competitive environment.

wizenheimer said:
For some reason, Cronin carried a 2 year torch for Ayton and finally landed him in the Dame trade. When the trade was rumored, I was hoping Ayton was being re-routed and the Blazers would get other assets. But no...we had to endure 2 years of that asshat
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DA was worth a try for a change of scenario situation - and it absolutely was worth a punt over keeping Nurk.

Sometimes a change of environment / role works out (see, PJ, M and Avdija, Deni), sometimes, it does not work (DA).

I think it was well worth the try - especially given how low on talent the team was. DA has talent. For Portland's situation, it was worth the gamble - even if it did not work.


Also, I absolutely love having to go back 3 months back in time to read what I wrote to remember what you refer to... ;)
 
andalusian said:
The report was that JC insisted on him, so not dumb luck.




Sure. But quickly pivoted when they had more data from SL. Drafting is not an exact science. I would not put it against them when they were able to pivot so quickly when they were able to see these guys in an NBA adjacent competitive environment.


DA was worth a try for a change of scenario situation - and it absolutely was worth a punt over keeping Nurk.

Sometimes a change of environment / role works out (see, PJ, M and Avdija, Deni), sometimes, it does not work (DA).

I think it was well worth the try - especially given how low on talent the team was. DA has talent. For Portland's situation, it was worth the gamble - even if it did not work.


Also, I absolutely love having to go back 3 months back in time to read what I wrote to remember what you refer to... ;)
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I hated the Nurk contract at the time - no reason to have given him that much money.

Then the excuse is well Ayton has more upside than Nurk - well sure but it just perpetuates endless bad decisions when a roster is built that way.

Hated the Grant contract as well and was praying their was a way we could have traded him with his good start to the season. Probably missed that boat. At least in 2029 we can have him off the team ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I don't think people are foolish to think that Ayton is just the right coach away from being a superstar. I don't think that anymore but he's got all of the gifts, he's extremely skilled and he puts it all together just enough both to keep you hopeful the he'll eventually just do that every game and to absolutely infuriate you.

So yeah I gave up on the guy a long time ago but fan bases and front offices that want to take a flyer on him aren't stupid but they're almost certainly going to find out what Phoenix, then us and now the Lakers are finding out the hard way.
 
andalusian said:
The report was that JC insisted on him, so not dumb luck.
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the report I read said that Cronin was 'insisting' on getting a young prospect as part of the Dame trade; "draft assets and a young prospect". Camara was about the only young prospect that any of Milwaukee, Boston, Phoenix had and were willing to move. Sounded like it was a similar situation to Phoenix knowing they were going to get a wing with a salary of less than 10M, but not certain who it would be

but you're right that Camara had a good summer league. Fortunately for the Blazers, the Suns were so desperate to shed Ayton they were willing to send Camara as part of the deal. I still wish the Blazers would have just re-directed Ayton to a 4th team. I was convinced he was going to be a bust for Portland...and he was
 
wizenheimer said:
the report I read said that Cronin was 'insisting' on getting a young prospect as part of the Dame trade; "draft assets and a young prospect". Camara was about the only young prospect that any of Milwaukee, Boston, Phoenix had and were willing to move. Sounded like it was a similar situation to Phoenix knowing they were going to get a wing with a salary of less than 10M, but not certain who it would be

but you're right that Camara had a good summer league. Fortunately for the Blazers, the Suns were so desperate to shed Ayton they were willing to send Camara as part of the deal. I still wish the Blazers would have just re-directed Ayton to a 4th team. I was convinced he was going to be a bust for Portland...and he was
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Yeah, we knew he was overpaid, but I don't think he was a bust. The two years he was here, he still averaged a double-double while shooting almost 60% from 2pt range. His defense is not great, but he is still good enough that he will have a 15-year career in the NBA.
 
wizenheimer said:
I was convinced he was going to be a bust for Portland...and he was
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They had to stairstep down out of the dame salary somehow and they got 2 years of a starting center who ended up taking a $10m bath on his final year vs. a perpetually broken player. Could have been way worse, IMO. Was he a goofball that didn't pan out? Sure. I don't think he caused harm in the locker room though.
 
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