Ayton

[BankTeller]

He's the same kind of prospect Anfernee Simons is. I definitely think he would fetch two 1sts.

I agree with the first point, disagree with the second point.

I agree that they are the same kind of prospect. I don’t think Ant could fetch two 1sts…right now.

I’ve mentioned trading Ant for two 1sts eventually, but that’s because I expect a 24-25ppg season with solid or better efficiency with Dame off the team. Herro is probably worth a young prospect and a protected 1st right now imo.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I agree with the first point, disagree with the second point.

I agree that they are the same kind of prospect. I don’t think Ant could fetch two 1sts…right now.

I’ve mentioned trading Ant for two 1sts eventually, but that’s because I expect a 24-25ppg season with solid or better efficiency with Dame off the team. Herro is probably worth a young prospect and a protected 1st right now imo.

Yeah, we definitely disagree on this. Both Ant and Herro would net you two 1st imo.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think at some point your going to have to choose between Sharpe & Simons. We’ve just been down this road to many times before.

Starting wise yes, you choose Sharpe long term. But injuries happen so keeping Simons works for me. He adds a skill the others don't........ even if it is off the bench.

 

[blazerkor]

I think at some point your going to have to choose between Sharpe & Simons. We’ve just been down this road to many times before.

You choose Sharpe because the road we've been down far too many times before is starting two undersized guards.

 

[BankTeller]

With Scoot in town, and as much of a cheerleader as he is -> Id like to see if he could help Ayton with the mental side of the game

I’m also very interested to see if Scoot can get anything out of him. Billups and Lowry should be putting it in Scoots ear to feed Ayton early in the game to keep him engaged.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

That's not the argument. Try to keep up. All I said was Herro could net you two first round picks.

Your the one comparing protected Hart pick to Herro. Sure, Herro could for certain get two first round picks that were heavily protected and worth about the same as a 2nd round pick.

Why does that matter? It would make more sense for the Blazers to get one good first round pick back.

 

[BankTeller]

Yeah, we definitely disagree on this. Both Ant and Herro would net you two 1st imo.

Imo there are plenty of teams that could us Ant right now, that if two 1sts wasn’t the holdup, a trade would’ve already happened by now.

But yeah, I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's not the argument. Try to keep up. All I said was Herro could net you two first round picks.

Good point. Maybe a couple late first rounders...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Starting wise yes, you choose Sharpe long term. But injuries happen so keeping Simons works for me. He adds a skill the others don't........ even if it is off the bench.

The time we have to worry about this is when Scoot and Sharpe large extensions begin to kick in and payroll between Sharpe/Scoot/Ant becomes a concern. We are many years away from that.

For now everyone should enjoy having 3 great young guards, especially with two of them being so RAW, young enough they can't drink, and needing scoring support as they develop for the next year or two.

 

[Samuel]

Ideally, none at all. You would just hope it is just Nurk and a cheap contributing piece from the Heat trade (Martin).

Otherwise, I wouldn’t be interested in him at all. I would expect a minimum of 2 unprotected 1sts and the ‘29 swap. If Ayton is the reason our total return is 1 1st, I’m good.

Funny--I was concerned we'd 'only' get 2 first on top of Ayton.

Ayton...

+ 2 picks C (but both kids C+)
+ 3 picks B (but both kids B+)
+ 4 picks A (and both kids A+)

this opinion will self destruct in 10 seconds.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Imo there are plenty of teams that could us Ant right now, that if two 1sts wasn’t the holdup, a trade would’ve already happened by now.

But yeah, I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

No way Cronin would trade Ant for 2 1sts. I wouldn't either and I'm not one who thinks he's a long-term fit here.

 

[BankTeller]

From BlazersMetrics podcast with rumor of Jazz being a 4th team how about this;

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Heat get Olynyk for their depth, keep Martin, and save taxes
Suns get two players for their depth and save massive taxes
Utah gets Herro and Jaquez for their future
Blazers get their "win now" retool but also 2 great picks and a swap all unprotected

Ayton Reath
Collins Walker
Grant Murray
Sharpe Thybulle
Scoot Ant

That’s worse than the original best Heat offer :’(
We’re going backwards.

 

[HansenYang]

From BlazersMetrics podcast with rumor of Jazz being a 4th team how about this;

View attachment 57518

Heat get Olynyk for their depth, keep Martin, and save taxes
Suns get two players for their depth and save massive taxes
Utah gets Herro and Jaquez for their future
Blazers get their "win now" retool but also 2 great picks and a swap all unprotected

Ayton Reath
Collins Walker
Grant Murray
Sharpe Thybulle
Scoot Ant

I like this, but would do a slight adjustment:

 

[HansenYang]

Yeah, we definitely disagree on this. Both Ant and Herro would net you two 1st imo.

I think you're in the minority in that opinion.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Your the one comparing protected Hart pick to Herro. Sure, Herro could for certain get two first round picks that were heavily protected and worth about the same as a 2nd round pick.

Why does that matter? It would make more sense for the Blazers to get one good first round pick back.

I'm more interested in getting actual prospects back. Ayton is a real tangible player with upside. I'd like another if I'm trading Dame. Jovic and Jaquez are not those guys. I'd rather trade Herro for a player plus a pick but that's just my interest.

 

[BankTeller]

That's not the argument. Try to keep up. All I said was Herro could net you two first round picks.

I should’ve read farther back because I never saw this.

If a bad team out there offered 2 top-20 protected 1sts that turn into multiple 2nds if they don’t convey, why take the deal?

 

[Predator]

If we could trade Simons for 2 lightly protected firsts we should’ve done that ages ago.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I think you're in the minority in that opinion.

I didn't know you did a poll but ok.

 

[MickZagger]

He’d be an upgrade over Nurk. Young enough to grow with the young core.

At the right price he’d someone I’d love to have on the team

 

[Samuel]

I think you're in the minority in that opinion.

yeah tell masai that!

 

[Predator]

I should’ve read farther back because I never saw this.

If a bad team out there offered 2 top-20 protected 1sts that turn into multiple 2nds if they don’t convey, why take the deal?

I would argue that doesn’t actually net you two firsts.

The only thing that matters is what conveys.

So I would see that deal as “four 2nds” or whatever conveys instead of the 1sts

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I should’ve read farther back because I never saw this.

If a bad team out there offered 2 top-20 protected 1sts that turn into multiple 2nds if they don’t convey, why take the deal?

Lol I wouldn't.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

If we could trade Simons for 2 lightly protected firsts we should’ve done that ages ago.

Why settle for one Kris Murray when you can have two!

 

[BankTeller]

Funny--I was concerned we'd 'only' get 2 first on top of Ayton.

Ayton...

+ 2 picks C (but both kids C+)
+ 3 picks B (but both kids B+)
+ 4 picks A (and both kids A+)

this opinion will self destruct in 10 seconds.

Maybe you’re more optimistic than me lol. For me, Ayton, the 2 MIA prospects, Lowry, and 3 1sts + the ‘29 MIA swap would be an A-grade. That sounds more like your B-grade.

 

[BankTeller]

I would argue that doesn’t actually net you two firsts.

The only thing that matters is what conveys.

So I would see that deal as “four 2nds” or whatever conveys instead of the 1sts

I would as well. I’ll say I don’t think Ant could get us 2 unprotected 1sts. He needs to show he’s a 25ppg kind of guy to get a prospect + 2 unprotected 1sts back, imo.

 

[BassPlaya]

Do see this when you look in the mirror?

Nope. I drink Malbec.

 

[kjironman1]

I think at some point your going to have to choose between Sharpe & Simons. We’ve just been down this road to many times before.

It's things like this that make the difference between a contender and a team that just gets to the playoffs. IMO you need that player that is willing to come off the bench and make the team better to win the big games.
If CJ and to some extent Stotts had been willing to have him as a 6th man and fill that starting role with a true SG with size that could play some defense the Blazers become a much better team.
The 6th man can be the guy in the game at the end. Many are just as valuable to a team as any starter.

 

[kjironman1]

The time we have to worry about this is when Scoot and Sharpe large extensions begin to kick in and payroll between Sharpe/Scoot/Ant becomes a concern. We are many years away from that.

For now everyone should enjoy having 3 great young guards, especially with two of them being so RAW, young enough they can't drink, and needing scoring support as they develop for the next year or two.

I'm never going to worry about money if the team is a contender. It's when they aren't and you are hard capped that seems to be the problem.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'm never going to worry about money if the team is a contender. It's when they aren't and you are hard capped that seems to be the problem.

The money thing is so over-said. The money has to go somewhere. You have to pay for good players and to be competitive.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think at some point your going to have to choose between Sharpe & Simons. We’ve just been down this road to many times before.

Blazers spent 7 seasons choosing a no-defense 6'3 SG. It was a bad choice every one of those seasons. Looks like they are still choosing to go with a no-defense 6'3 SG. Dumb as hell in 2015....still dumb as hell in 2023