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Denny Crane said:
What's a few million potential Democratic Party voters not voting for Democrats anyway? Who needs 'em.
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Assuming Sanders actually starts that party and the whole point is he won't.

But maybe next cycle will be the one where Gary Johnson draws off voters from both crazy parties, eh?
 
Minstrel said:
Assuming Sanders actually starts that party and the whole point is he won't.

But maybe next cycle will be the one where Gary Johnson draws off voters from both crazy parties, eh?
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His voters didn't show up for Hillary. Why do you think they will do so this time, especially after their plan is rejected?
 
Denny Crane said:
His voters didn't show up for Hillary. Why do you think they will do so this time, especially after their plan is rejected?
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Because Hillary won't be the nominee next time. I know that'll come as a big shock to Trump, since he seems to think all he needs to do is keep campaigning against her.
 
Denny Crane said:
What's a few million potential Democratic Party voters not voting for Democrats anyway? Who needs 'em.
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Correct, we can just have a few million more illegal aliens vote. They are pouring over the border. Problem solved.

barfo
 
Minstrel said:
Because Hillary won't be the nominee next time. I know that'll come as a big shock to Trump, since he seems to think all he needs to do is keep campaigning against her.
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How do you know?

This time, they should be a little more secure with their emails documenting how they stole the nomination from Sanders (or whoever).
 
Denny Crane said:
How do you know?
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Because it's rare (though not unheard of) for general election losers to be the nominee again and she was a particularly weak one for a few reasons that aren't going away. Nobody expects her to even run again, let alone be the nominee in 2020.

But I endorse Trump's strategy of continuing to run against her. He should continue that into 2020.
 
Minstrel said:
Because it's rare (though not unheard of) for general election losers to be the nominee again and she was a particularly weak one for a few reasons that aren't going away. Nobody expects her to even run again, let alone be the nominee in 2020.

But I endorse Trump's strategy of continuing to run against her. He should continue that into 2020.
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Her twitter account sure reads like a person who is running.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton
 
Minstrel said:
Because it's rare (though not unheard of) for general election losers to be the nominee again and she was a particularly weak one for a few reasons that aren't going away. Nobody expects her to even run again, let alone be the nominee in 2020.

But I endorse Trump's strategy of continuing to run against her. He should continue that into 2020.
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The party fixes its nominations. She's entitled to be president. We need a woman president - she's proud to play the woman card.
 
Minstrel said:
Someone at HuffPost wants her to run, so she's running? Desperate.
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She's entitled. She won the popular vote. We need a woman president - she proudly uses her woman card.

(She'd lose again to Trump, it would be awesome to see her lose again)
 
Denny Crane said:
She's entitled. She won the popular vote. We need a woman president - she proudly uses her woman card.
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Yes, I know you hate Hillary with a fiery passion. Still doesn't mean she's running.
 
Denny Crane said:
When she does run, you'll be quoting her book.
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What a strange thing to say, since I barely said anything positive about her this time around. This must be the type of equivalency you learned from Trump, like when he tried to equate neo Nazis with those who are against racism.
 
Minstrel said:
What a strange thing to say, since I barely said anything positive about her this time around. This must be the type of equivalency you learned from Trump, like when he tried to equate neo Nazis with those who are against racism.
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It's just my expectation. Trump has nothing to do with what I think YOU will do when she runs.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We know you got a full Hillary tattoo sleeve.
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The logic here seems to be, since Denny got a full anti-Hillary tattoo sleeve, I must have gotten a pro-Hillary one because in his mind, I must be just as insane as him but in the opposite direction. But that's not how it works. I can just choose not to be insane, a choice he refused to make.
 
Minstrel said:
The logic here seems to be, since Denny got a full anti-Hillary tattoo sleeve, I must have gotten a pro-Hillary one because in his mind, I must be just as insane as him but in the opposite direction. But that's not how it works. I can just choose not to be insane, a choice he refused to make.
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A comedian you ain't.
 
Minstrel said:
Warn't a joke, pard.
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It wasn't accurate and it came across as so stupid it must have been an attempt at humor.

The fact that Hiliar disbanded her "charity" is a sign she doesn't want it to come under scrutiny when she runs again.
 
Denny Crane said:
it came across as so stupid
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Sensitive soul.

By the way, on thread topic, is this bad news for Republicans, for Democrats or just fake bad news?


The relationship between President Trump and Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, has disintegrated to the point that they have not spoken to each other in weeks, and Mr. McConnell has privately expressed uncertainty that Mr. Trump will be able to salvage his administration after a series of summer crises.​

What was once an uneasy governing alliance has curdled into a feud of mutual resentment and sometimes outright hostility, complicated by the position of Mr. McConnell’s wife, Elaine L. Chao, in Mr. Trump’s cabinet, according to more than a dozen people briefed on their imperiled partnership. Angry phone calls and private badmouthing have devolved into open conflict, with the president threatening to oppose Republican senators who cross him, and Mr. McConnell mobilizing to their defense.​

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In a series of tweets this month, Mr. Trump criticized Mr. McConnell publicly, and berated him in a phone call that quickly devolved into a profane shouting match.

During the call, which Mr. Trump initiated on Aug. 9 from his New Jersey golf club, the president accused Mr. McConnell of bungling the health care issue. He was even more animated about what he intimated was the Senate leader’s refusal to protect him from investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to Republicans briefed on the conversation.

Mr. McConnell has fumed over Mr. Trump’s regular threats against fellow Republicans and criticism of Senate rules, and questioned Mr. Trump’s understanding of the presidency in a public speech. Mr. McConnell has made sharper comments in private, describing Mr. Trump as entirely unwilling to learn the basics of governing.

In offhand remarks, Mr. McConnell has expressed a sense of bewilderment about where Mr. Trump’s presidency may be headed, and has mused about whether Mr. Trump will be in a position to lead the Republican Party into next year’s elections and beyond, according to people who have spoken to him directly.​


It is from the failing New York Times, so consider the source. It's not from somewhere trustworthy like Breitbart.
 
You think I like McConnell? Or any of the republicans? You won't find many posts by me where I mention any of them by name in a positive light.

Trump ran against them. That's a big part of his appeal.

I also don't cite breitbart. I don't trust it, period.

Trump, like Obama, came into office with little experience. Republicans failed to do what Democrats did for Obama - pass legislation. Though the legislation they passed, without much help from Obama, cost them the house, senate, numerous governorships, and state houses.

W, Bill Clinton, and the rest, had a whole staff of experienced governors (small g) to install in the West Wing to hit the ground running. Obama and Trump did not.

Obama failed to accomplish much in his last 6 years. Most of it was by executive order and the rest was mostly illegal/unconstitutional (changing law by decree instead of congressional action). He sure was good at reading from the teleprompter. All those campaigns he ran gave him that much practice at it. Too bad he wasn't practiced at governing.

His chief of staff was a disaster. He was ejected and ended up landing as mayor of Chicago, where he's presided over one of the most massive declines of a city in the nation's history.

You set the bar low. This is what it looks like for someone inexperienced (and not a republican and not a democrat to be president). If there's been a glass ceiling of sorts preventing anyone but democrats and republicans from being president, he broke it.

Like JFK, who also had no governing experience and nearly had the planet experience global nuclear war, Trump is relying on the people that he can trust, and who helped him build his businesses. His family (RFK as Attorney General).

Trump's current barnstorming tour is rather brilliant politics. McCain voted against repeal, Trump went to Arizona and campaigned for a replacement senator who will vote for ObamaCare repeal. When Trump comes out for term limits, as he should, the swamp is going to be very afraid.
 
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Denny Crane said:
You think I like McConnell? Or any of the republicans? You won't find many posts by me where I mention any of them by name in a positive light.
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No, you just seem to believe nothing is bad news for the party.

Trump's current barnstorming tour is rather brilliant politics. McCain voted against repeal, Trump went to Arizona and campaigned for a replacement senator who will vote for ObamaCare repeal.
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You might want to save the "brilliant politics" for when he actually gets that replacement senator in Arizona. Also, he's not campaigning against McCain (who's locked in for 6 more years)--he's campaigning against Jeff Flake, who voted for the repeal. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with Trump getting his feelings hurt by Flake calling out Trump as inadequate to the job of President. You see, Trump is less a "brilliant politician" and more of a sensitive soul like you.

When Trump comes out for term limits, as he should, the swamp is going to be very afraid.
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Nothing Trump comes out in favor of is going to make anyone in Washington DC afraid (outside of nuclear strikes). Term limits have to be passed by Congress and even the Republicans in Congress have shown an inclination to ignore what Trump wants--those Republicans have focused on their standard Republican agenda. Also, you should probably try to avoid swallowing the same con that Trump sold rural voters on--he's there to clean up, all right. Just not clean up the swamp.
 
Minstrel said:
No, you just seem to believe nothing is bad news for the party.



You might want to save the "brilliant politics" for when he actually gets that replacement senator in Arizona. Also, he's not campaigning against McCain (who's locked in for 6 more years)--he's campaigning against Jeff Flake, who voted for the repeal. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with Trump getting his feelings hurt by Flake calling out Trump as inadequate to the job of President. You see, Trump is less a "brilliant politician" and more of a sensitive soul like you.



Nothing Trump comes out in favor of is going to make anyone in Washington DC afraid (outside of nuclear strikes). Term limits have to be passed by Congress and even the Republicans in Congress have shown an inclination to ignore what Trump wants--those Republicans have focused on their standard Republican agenda. Also, you should probably try to avoid swallowing the same con that Trump sold rural voters on--he's there to clean up, all right. Just not clean up the swamp.
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I hardly think there's nothing but good news for the party. I just think it's fantasy that they're in some sort of trouble. The reality is they're in control of the three branches of the federal government and all those local and state governments as well.

If there are enough people who yell and scream at the politicians in their town hall meetings, they may act. Trump is rallying his considerable base (big enough to win the presidency and senate and so on). Against Flake, who will be replaced by someone who'll support Trump's agenda (if Trump has his way). Against McCain, too. One vote and it's buh bye ObamaCare. As I said, it's BRILLIANT strategy going after those guys to get that one vote. Trump and his staff are clearly counting votes, which is done in business (at the board and shareholder level) and government.

The bottom line is whatever you're selling, the people ain't buying.

Progressivism is a failed ideology. It's message is eradicate the bad so only the good remains, and to resist change (which is odd) in a random manner.

That is the reality, not opinion.
 
riverman said:
this is difficult...first of all, he'd need to actually have an agenda
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That's not reality. He does have an agenda. He's been pushing for repeal and replace since the campaign days, and still is. He's willing to shut the government down (that wouldn't bother me in the least) to get funding for his wall (which I oppose). He's articulated a tax reform plan and a massive infrastructure plan.

To deny he has an agenda is not paying attention.
 
Denny Crane said:
As I said, it's BRILLIANT strategy going after those guys to get that one vote.
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Yes, brilliant strategy to campaign against a senator who voted for repeal to get that ONE VOTE. This is the kind of savvy that informs your opinions.

That is the reality, not opinion.
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You'll be railing against the tyranny of progressivism in no time, don't worry. With your goldfish political attention span, Republicans have always had control of government and always will. The unfortunate reality for you, though, is that once big "progressive" programs like Obamacare actually start to help people, they become quite popular. In the past few years, as all of Obamacare has been implemented, public opinion has turned sharply in favor of universal health care.

You know that "one vote" you keep insisting means "Buh bye" to Obamacare? The bill that they came one vote short on wasn't even close to a full repeal of Obamacare, and it wasn't a bill even most Republicans wanted to enact. They just wanted to pass a bill so they could move to committee with the House, so they could work out a real bill that wouldn't be political suicide. Full repeal is a pipe dream, even if Republicans got another vote. The most they'll do is remove the individual mandate and repeal some taxes on top earners--assuming they can even get the votes for that. They'll never dismantle the whole thing.
 
Denny Crane said:
That's not reality. He does have an agenda. He's been pushing for repeal and replace since the campaign days, and still is. He's willing to shut the government down (that wouldn't bother me in the least) to get funding for his wall (which I oppose). He's articulated a tax reform plan and a massive infrastructure plan.

To deny he has an agenda is not paying attention.
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He has no funding for his wall and he'll have to raise the debt ceiling next month....he is all bluster and has not presented any detailed plans to fund his bluster...point in fact...he's asking for support for things which are not planned out in detail, like his health reform, infrastructure, funding of the wall, etc...he wants to continue a war against too many factors in our country.....diplomacy exists for a reason and he lacks that reason. Trump seems to most to be poll driven and twitter obsessed.....you call it genius...I call it foolish. Get back to me in January as to his first year accomplishments....he's failing across the board..even failing to rally his own party for support. I don't see him getting the votes or giving me a tax break at all
 
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