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B-Roy said:
Meanwhile, we're sitting here with virtually the same roster. Same strengths, same weaknesses, same everything. It's going to be like living last season all over again.
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Yep, 3 full days into the free agent negotiating period and we still have virtually the same roster as we did 3 days ago. Imagine that.

Good thing the off season isn't over. In fact, it's barely started. There's still plenty of time for a team that's almost $8 million under the cap to make a trade that will address one, or more, of our weaknesses.

I actually enjoyed last season. Winning 54 games again wouldn't be the worst thing that's ever happened. Do you remember the last time the Blazers won at least 54 games in consecutive seasons? It was 1990-91 and 1991-92 - and we went to the NBA finals in the second year. That's right, we never won 54 (or more) games twice in a row during the entire 9-year Bob Whitsitt era. In fact, we only won more than 50 games once during that nine year period in Blazers history.

So, 54 wins two years in a row isn't anything to get depressed about.

I think we'll win more games, due to the improvement of Greg Oden and our other young players. But, even if we "only" win 54 games, I'm OK with that.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yep, 3 full days into the free agent negotiating period and we still have virtually the same roster as we did 3 days ago. Imagine that.

Good thing the off season isn't over. In fact, it's barely started. There's still plenty of time for a team that's almost $8 million under the cap to make a trade that will address one, or more, of our weaknesses.

I actually enjoyed last season. Winning 54 games again wouldn't be the worst thing that's ever happened. Do you remember the last time the Blazers won at least 54 games in consecutive seasons? It was 1990-91 and 1991-92 - and we went to the NBA finals in the second year. That's right, we never won 54 (or more) games twice in a row during the entire 9-year Bob Whitsitt era. In fact, we only won more than 50 games once during that nine year period in Blazers history.

So, 54 wins two years in a row isn't anything to get depressed about.

I think we'll win more games, due to the improvement of Greg Oden and our other young players. But, even if we "only" win 54 games, I'm OK with that.

BNM
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I'll change my stance once we get someone. :twothumbs:
 
That's a high 50's win team and a darkhorse contender. Nothing to be ashamed about.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Bake it because there's no other choice? Did I miss a trade deadline or something?
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Shrug.

We blew the last trade deadline in hope of this free agency period.
We blew the draft in hope of this free agency period.
So far, we've blown this free agency period.

Yes, there is time left - but not too much really. KP doesn't like midseason trades (and for good reason), so the window is starting to close.

It's not a disaster, but "Color Me" Nervous.
 
fuck that shit. I need me at least one impact player and some consolidation (though the Sergio trade was nice, still need probably one SF gone). Rudy may be unhappy as well... Devin Harris would be rad.

Still bummed (sp?) about Hedo though because If we did end up getting a PG after Hedo, our lineup would have been contention ready. Oh well.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Here's next year's lineup:

Blake/Bayless/Mills
Roy/Rudy
Webster/Batum
LMA/Outlaw/Pendergraph
Oden/Joel

That's how it stands right now. Not a great team, but still very good.
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I expect something more like this:


Blake/Kopponen
Roy/Rudy/Bayless
Outlaw/Batum/
LMA/Outlaw/Freeland
Oden/Joel

With Rudy's departure inevitable in the next year or so (since Nate remained and Sergio didn't) Bayless will get a shot at his natural position backing up Roy.

Webster may heal eventually, but will never be the impact player TO is already.

Hopefully Paul puts his $8 mil in the bank and waits until someone worth getting is actually available. This year's FA market is patheticly over-priced.
 
julius said:
Wow..a team wins 54 games, and can only get better with experience of the players and the growth of Oden, all the sudden is crap because we didn't sign Hedo.
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You know if you take the narrow view that only what your team does is important, that might be true. But it's not. Every other contender loaded up with more talent. Even the champs. But us. So go ahead, keep your tunnel vision on if it makes you happy.
 
With the bottom feeders getting better, that means more losses........for every team that is not a bottom feeder. SA and LA will be better. Houston will not be better and no other playoff team has done shit to help themselves.
 
Ed O said:
Miss a trade deadline? Nah. We leave that up to Kevin Pritchard.

ZING!

Ed O.
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LMFAO!!! Nice.

Anyhow, how can anyone say our lineup looks bad?! That is laughable. 54 wins. The team that beat us last year probably wont even make the playoffs next year. WE will still make the playoffs because the West will be the exact same in the playoff picture except swap Houston with whoever else decides to play well. I guess PHX.

Anyhow... this lineup is what I would do.

Blake\Bayless\Mills
Roy\Rudy
Batum\Webster\Cunningham
LMA\Outlaw\Pendergraph
Oden\Joel

If we can figure out a way to get Bass, maybe Hakeem Warrick, maybe Shawn Marion? We would be set. I would prefer Bass.
 
see if you can spot my line up baking
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bluefrog said:
Are we still the youngest team in the league?
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I think so, we dropped lafrentz(30), frye(26) and sergio(25) i'm guessing on the ages from memory, I'm too lazy to check. If we drop ruffin too we'll get younger still. Of the players that actually play though, we have blake(30) and Pryzbilla(30)
 
Really only the east coast really loaded up. Sure spurs got Jefferson and lakers got artest. But Duncan and Manu are another year older and while Bowen isn't what he was defensively anymore they also lost him. And with the lakers they probably just side stepped getting artest with ariza leaving, and possibly odom as well. Minnesota got a little better through the draft but with rubio deciding not to come over quite yet they aren't a threat and I'm not really concerned with OKC or Memphis either.
 
bluefrog said:
Are we still the youngest team in the league?
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No. We weren't the youngest team last year, though, so we can't "still" be the youngest team.

:)

We might be the youngest team right now. I'm not sure if the Warriors are still younger than we are or not.

Ed O.
 
westnob said:
see if you can spot my line up baking
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Dear god man! Did you behead, and then grind up the corpses of our team to make some sort of giant sized cannibalistic pastry of doom?!
 
westnob said:
see if you can spot my line up baking
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Awesome Baby!

Now, just add in a veteran point guard who can defend and create for others and an experienced banger backup big and we can stick that shit in the oven!
 
cdub503 said:
Really only the east coast really loaded up. Sure spurs got Jefferson and lakers got artest. But Duncan and Manu are another year older and while Bowen isn't what he was defensively anymore they also lost him. And with the lakers they probably just side stepped getting artest with ariza leaving, and possibly odom as well. Minnesota got a little better through the draft but with rubio deciding not to come over quite yet they aren't a threat and I'm not really concerned with OKC or Memphis either.
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The Lakers acquiring Artest instantly makes them better, provided Artest keeps his shit together and gets along with Kobe. If the Lakers re-sign Odom, they are the obvious favorites. Look for them in the western conference finals once more.

The Spurs trading for Jefferson instantly makes them better. They got rid of age and poor play in exchange for a solid 4th option on offense and an accomplished defender. Furthermore, the Spurs were riddled with injuries last year and STILL won 54 games. The big 3 played a total of half the season together. Manu's health won't be an issue with a full offseason of rehab. Duncan's "age" and knees will be managed. Look for the Spurs to improve their record over last year and make at least the 2nd round of the playoffs.

I have yet to see the Blazers make any improvements. Granted, it's still early. But simply hoping that Oden learns to play(yeah, good luck with that), and hoping Batum and Fernandez just improve doesn't sound like a great strategy to me. I hope the Blazers improve. I really do. But, without a better point guard and some serious maturing by some of the younger players, this team is headed for another 1st round exit.
 
"Bake it" is like putting all your eggs in one basket. Stupid!!

Every year the team must improve and cut off dead weight through re-tooling. We've already started that by trading Sergio and drafting youngins Pendergraph and Cunningham.

IMO I also hope to see Hinrich or Bibby here at PG. But I also think we gotta spend that money we freed up with RLEC and Francis.

We need to consolidate this roster - keep Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Batum, Bayless, and TRADE any of the rest to get the best PG, SF or any other position player available. We were TOO DEEP last year.

I think we'll see a trade in the next two weeks.
 
I wanted Hedo really bad. I think signing him would've led to a change of events that would've improved the roster. Now that we don't have him, I say we stand pat. Let the team continue to grow together. They've gotten better each year and they're still all very young.

Go Blazers
 
KingSpeed said:
I wanted Hedo really bad. I think signing him would've led to a change of events that would've improved the roster. Now that we don't have him, I say we stand pat. Let the team continue to grow together. They've gotten better each year and they're still all very young.

Go Blazers
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Except that Blake and Joel *aren't* young. Outlaw may be "young", but he has also peaked. Frankly, I believe the same is true of Webster - though is injury makes that a moot point.

I am hopeful that Batum will eventually be the solution at SF. How long it takes is another issue entirely.

As for the PG problem.....Bayless may become a good basketball player, but I am not optimistic he will ever be a good PG. At best, he is a long way away. If we don't find an external solution to the PG situation, it is going to hold the entire team back, and quite possibly retard Oden's development.
 
oldmangrouch said:
As for the PG problem.....Bayless may become a good basketball player, but I am not optimistic he will ever be a good PG. At best, he is a long way away. If we don't find an external solution to the PG situation, it is going to hold the entire team back, and quite possibly retard Oden's development.
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do you consider guys like tony parker, mo williams, jameer nelson, and devin harris good pgs?
 
It's not even really a PG problem in terms of Oden. Just someone, anyone at all to make a competent post pass. ANYONE. And dump the switching scheme for the love of god.
 
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I believe all we need are a few solid stopgaps that can fill in for a MAX of two seasons.

Our future dynasty lineup is already on the team, folks.

Bayless IS the future point guard for this team. People here underrate him. This guy would've gone top 3 in this years draft. Players with his combination of speed, athleticism, attitude, and most importantly, drive and work ethic, rarely become failures. If you dont think he has the potential to be a lethal combo alongside Roy within 2 years you're out of your mind. It's gonna be fun digging up some of these threads in a few years.

Batum, likewise, is also the small forward of the future. Feeling for the game, IQ, speed, length, this guy is gonna be a monster in a few years. It's not an exaggeration to suggest he has first team all defensive potential. He's the real deal.

Our other positions, needless to say, are set, save for backup PF.

We aren't going to win the title this year. Our championship window isn't cracked open yet, despite the impatience of us fans (myself included). The only thing we need are stopgaps for PG and to a lesser extent SF. We don't need a 5-year deal for anyone. We don't need an all-star. We have everything we need. I repeat, we are not going to win a title this year. It's foolish to trade bayless, batum, rudy, or anyone else for an aged veteran. We need good backups, and some veteran bench players. Nothing else.

If I'm being a homer, so be it. We'll see who's right soon enough.
 
rocketeer said:
do you consider guys like tony parker, mo williams, jameer nelson, and devin harris good pgs?
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Harris: yes
Parker: very good player, but in the SA system he isn't asked to really be a traditional PG
Nelson: OK, but (IMHO) over-rated
Williams: no, better suited to the "Vinnie Johnson" role
 
Freshtown said:
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I believe all we need are a few solid stopgaps that can fill in for a MAX of two seasons.

Our future dynasty lineup is already on the team, folks.

Bayless IS the future point guard for this team. People here underrate him. This guy would've gone top 3 in this years draft. Players with his combination of speed, athleticism, attitude, and most importantly, drive and work ethic, rarely become failures. If you dont think he has the potential to be a lethal combo alongside Roy within 2 years you're out of your mind. It's gonna be fun digging up some of these threads in a few years.

Batum, likewise, is also the small forward of the future. Feeling for the game, IQ, speed, length, this guy is gonna be a monster in a few years. It's not an exaggeration to suggest he has first team all defensive potential. He's the real deal.

Our other positions, needless to say, are set, save for backup PF.

We aren't going to win the title this year. Our championship window isn't cracked open yet, despite the impatience of us fans (myself included). The only thing we need are stopgaps for PG and to a lesser extent SF. We don't need a 5-year deal for anyone. We don't need an all-star. We have everything we need. I repeat, we are not going to win a title this year. It's foolish to trade bayless, batum, rudy, or anyone else for an aged veteran. We need good backups, and some veteran bench players. Nothing else.

If I'm being a homer, so be it. We'll see who's right soon enough.
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Bingo, and well said.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Harris: yes
Parker: very good player, but in the SA system he isn't asked to really be a traditional PG
Nelson: OK, but (IMHO) over-rated
Williams: no, better suited to the "Vinnie Johnson" role
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then i don't really see how it's important for bayless to develop into what you consider a good pg. what you seem to consider a good "pg" is not something necessary for a team to be a title contending team.
 
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