Batum Comparison

[illmatic99]

I wonder who made that video. At the beginning you saw the transition that says Nic's name and then it says 3rd quarter. At the end it just says Blazers. Those are called interstitials or stitials. I use those at the beginning and end of every package I do. I have NEVER in my life used a 3rd quarter stitial. Wonder who this person is and where they got it from.

The video is from user, "RipCity40."

http://www.youtube.com/user/RipCity40

 

[THE HCP]

The video is from user, "RipCity40."

http://www.youtube.com/user/RipCity40

Ya, I saw that, I'm just curious how he got a hold of my interstitials that have never made air. I enjoy watching pieces that guys cut, it's cool to see other editor's ideas. I saw he is friends on youtube with that Maxamillion guy that used to share his pieces with us on here. I called him out on some of his sequences. They were mine from our broadcasts (which I don't mind, because that is the only way for somebody to acquire footage of the team) But when I asked him in a PM about the fact that he was using some of my work he got all defensive and claimed it was all his work. One thing I can't stand is plagiarism. Haven't seen him on here since.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pietrmi01.html

 

[THE HCP]

^ what is this supposed to mean? Are you comparing him to Pietrus?

 

[Denny Crane]

^ what is this supposed to mean? Are you comparing him to Pietrus?

Yeah, they seem pretty close statistically and what they bring.

 

[Minstrel]

Yeah, they seem pretty close statistically and what they bring.

As I said in a previous post, Batum would have to regress to become Pietrus. Pietrus has been a consistent 10-13 PER player...a mediocre to okay bench player. Batum has an 18.5 PER this year, as a 21 year old.

They don't seem very close statistically. Batum, right now, is blowing any season Pietrus had out of the water.

Maybe Batum will regress, but that wouldn't be my expectation for a 21 year old who observationally looked much better both over the summer and now in his second NBA season.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Pietrus? GTFOH

 

[Denny Crane]

As I said in a previous post, Batum would have to regress to become Pietrus. Pietrus has been a consistent 10-13 PER player...a mediocre to okay bench player. Batum has an 18.5 PER this year, as a 21 year old.

They don't seem very close statistically. Batum, right now, is blowing any season Pietrus had out of the water.

Maybe Batum will regress, but that wouldn't be my expectation for a 21 year old who observationally looked much better both over the summer and now in his second NBA season.

2nd seasons

Pietrus 9.5 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.2 APG, .7 SPG, 20 MPG (Age 22)
Batum 9.8 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.2 APG, .6 SPG, 23 MPG (Age 21)

Per 36:
Pietrus 17.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.2 SPG
Batum 15.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.0 SPG

 

[axs88]

2nd seasons

Pietrus 9.5 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.2 APG, .7 SPG, 20 MPG (Age 22)
Batum 9.8 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.2 APG, .6 SPG, 23 MPG (Age 21)

Per 36:
Pietrus 17.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.2 SPG
Batum 15.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.0 SPG

Maybe check out the shooting percentages, too. It makes all the difference.

 

[Denny Crane]

Maybe check out the shooting percentages, too. It makes all the difference.

Chris Duhon shoots over .500 (many seasons) for the first 20 games... Not sure why it makes all the difference.

 

[axs88]

Chris Duhon shoots over .500 (many seasons) for the first 20 games... Not sure why it makes all the difference.

If he doesn't keep it up it doesn't. If Batum goes cold for the rest of the season and comes down to Pietrus's shooting level (while taking more shots), their production will be about equal. But we are comparing what they have done so far, and based on that (this season), Batum's efficiency is on another level largely due to his .551 FG%, .448% 3P, .913% FT -- not saying he will finish with those insane averages, but I think it's safe to say he will have improved significantly over his rookie season, in which he still shot better both from FG and 3P than Pietrus in all but 1 season, not to mention the huge FT disparity.

Bottom line, it's not a bad comparison in terms of athleticism, defense and playing a complementary role on offense (and of course nationality), but what sets Batum apart is his superior shooting ability.

 

[Minstrel]

2nd seasons

Pietrus 9.5 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.2 APG, .7 SPG, 20 MPG (Age 22)
Batum 9.8 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.2 APG, .6 SPG, 23 MPG (Age 21)

Per 36:
Pietrus 17.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.2 SPG
Batum 15.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.0 SPG

2nd seasons

Pietrus: 14.2 PER
Batum: 18.5 PER

Your analysis negelects turnovers and scoring efficiency, and pace. Pietrus was playing for the Warriors, who were 7th in the league in pace that year. Batum is playing for the Blazers, who are 30th in the league in pace. Pace affects raw stats, but not PER.

Plus Batum is a year younger, which makes a difference in terms of upside.

 

[Draco]

2nd seasons

Pietrus 9.5 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.2 APG, .7 SPG, 20 MPG (Age 22)
Batum 9.8 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.2 APG, .6 SPG, 23 MPG (Age 21)

Per 36:
Pietrus 17.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.2 SPG
Batum 15.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.0 SPG

How about Joe Johnson?

Joe J. 9.8 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, .8 SPG, 28 MPG (Age 21)
Batum 9.8 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.2 APG, .6 SPG, 23 MPG (Age 21)

Per 36:
Joe J. 12.8 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.0 SPG
Batum 15.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.0 SPG

 

[THE HCP]

I like comparing style of play, not stats.

 

[BlazerBenner]

Nicolas Batum = Jamal "Keith" Wilkes

They are both smooth as silk. Their games are actually mirror images of each other.

 

[BBert]

Nicolas Batum = Jamal "Keith" Wilkes

They are both smooth as silk. Their games are actually mirror images of each other.

Agree. When I first say him in person, in a preseason game last year, and he looked like part baby Pippen, part baby Prince, but I immediately started calling him "Silk" because it just fit. I think Nicolas can wear that name.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Old school Bobby Jones

 

[THE HCP]

What about the ICEMAN?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Nah, Durant is probably the closest player to Gervin since Gervin himself.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Bobby Jones was all about defense.

 

[Cake]

I think he's most similar to Josh Childress, though I believe Batum's ceiling is higher. Both shoot a high percentage from the floor and from 3 pt range. Childress is/was a strong defender, good ball handler and average rebounder, just like Batum.

I'm also reminded of an in his prime Brent Barry, though Batum hasn't yet had the opportunity to play the same style as Barry, acting as kind of a point forward, thus racking up assists. Batum is maybe a bit better on defense. (Though Barry was solid and I believe Batum is *slightly* overrated on defense.)

I see nothing at all of Sprewell in Batum's game. Sprewell couldn't shoot for shit from the floor or from 3pt range. Sprewell was ridiculously inefficient on offense. Batum is exactly the opposite. Obviously, it's a smaller sample size with Batum, but he is currently one of the most efficient players in the league. He was most efficient 27th last season.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He looks a lot like a metal folding chair to me. He seems to resemble that most during the games.

 

[mook]

I really, really like Batum. But he has to do a better job against brawny small forwards (LeBron, Carmello, Artest). Last night he played 14 minutes after racking up 4 fouls, and Carmello just feasted on him.

Ideally, Bayless blossoms into our starting-quality PG and improves his defense. Then Batum adds the muscle needed to really guard these guys. He's never going to be built like a linebacker like LeBron, but he's got to add a little more muscle.

 

[BBert]

I really, really like Batum. But he has to do a better job against brawny small forwards (LeBron, Carmello, Artest). Last night he played 14 minutes after racking up 4 fouls, and Carmello just feasted on him.

Ideally, Bayless blossoms into our starting-quality PG and improves his defense. Then Batum adds the muscle needed to really guard these guys. He's never going to be built like a linebacker like LeBron, but he's got to add a little more muscle.

In all fairness, three of those fouls were el flagrante superstar bull shit fouls. I especially liked the one where Carmello grabbed Nic with both hands, spun him around then cut to the basket. For a second I thought I was watching Kobe.

OTOH, you're right.

 

[mook]

In all fairness, three of those fouls were el flagrante superstar bull shit fouls. I especially liked the one where Carmello grabbed Nic with both hands, spun him around then cut to the basket. For a second I thought I was watching Kobe.

OTOH, you're right.

Yeah, two of them were definitely bullshit. I don't remember the others well. But it wasn't just this game--Batum has had repeated problems with the three guys I mention.

I'm not looking for him to "stop" LeBron or Mello, but if he could just hold them below their normal averages it'd be a massive boon.