Batum last night

[blue9]

To those reading this in the future, what is unstated in this thread is that last night, Batum had 7 turnovers.

To those in the present, only 7 players this season have had 7 or more turnovers at least twice.

http://bkref.com/tiny/oBKSD

Not sure what your point is. Those 7 players are...

Melo
Kobe
Nic
Holiday
Mayo
Rondo
Westbrook

That's pretty good company! Granted, several PGs who generally have the ball in their hands - but still...
Also, let's not forget that he's still playing with a bad back. Could explain why he's not going to the hoop as often as we'd like...
Anyway you slice it he's still damn productive even during his "bad" games. If only our All-Star PF could be so productive...

 

[jlprk]

The point is how few players (out of 150 starters and 300 subs) have had 2 awful TO games. And as you observe, all are guards (who are supposed to pass a lot) except Batum and high-usage Carmelo Anthony. As for the back, he must be hurting it more, making all those wrenching TO passes. 443 other players aren't on that list, and most play with pains and aches. His 2 7-TO games were 5 weeks apart, so the back wasn't the same problem way back then. (Carmelo's 2 games were 2 days apart, so injury might account for him, leaving Batum as the only one who can't say it's because he's a guard.)

 

[e_blazer]

So Batum is struggling a bit in his expanded role as a facilitator...big deal. It's a new role for him and he's pushing it a bit. I'd rather have him trying to add to his game and making some turnovers than being satisfied with sitting in the corner and waiting for somebody to throw him the ball. He's a talented and smart guy. He'll figure it out and improve.

 

[blue9]

So Batum is struggling a bit in his expanded role as a facilitator...big deal. It's a new role for him and he's pushing it a bit. I'd rather have him trying to add to his game and making some turnovers than being satisfied with sitting in the corner and waiting for somebody to throw him the ball. He's a talented and smart guy. He'll figure it out and improve.

This. It's a season for development - wins are merely a bonus.
And you know, only 9 players have recorded 5 or more games of 7+ assists, and one of those players is Nic. (Although he's not showing up on this query...which makes me question the validity of B-R.) Other than his two games where he recorded 7 TOs, his TOs have been fairly modest for someone trying to initiate easy baskets for his teammates.
http://www.basketball-reference.com...&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

 

[BlazerCaravan]

This. It's a season for development - wins are merely a bonus.
And you know, only 9 players have recorded 5 or more games of 7+ assists, and one of those players is Nic. (Although he's not showing up on this query...which makes me question the validity of B-R.) Other than his two games where he recorded 7 TOs, his TOs have been fairly modest for someone trying to initiate easy baskets for his teammates.
http://www.basketball-reference.com...&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

Couple things going on with your analysis; one, B-R pages results, and sorts within pages. So you won't find Nico in the first page of results (since you sorted by points scored).

Also, another of the nine players is Damian.

Here's the same analysis, with guards and guard-forwards filtered out: http://bkref.com/tiny/wUmVT

Nice to se LMA in there twice.

 

[PapaG]

I keep hearing on how Nate used Nic in such a terrible manner, yet Nic shot better under Nate, shot fewer 3s with a better %, shot less<50% of his attempts from 3 as opposed to over 40% this year.

How is it that 'all Nate did was have Nic stand in the corner and shoot 3s' when the data shows that Nic is basically a 3-pt chucker this year if he isn't passing the ball.

 

[RoyToy]

I keep hearing on how Nate used Nic in such a terrible manner, yet Nic shot better under Nate, shot fewer 3s with a better %, shot less<50% of his attempts from 3 as opposed to over 40% this year.

How is it that 'all Nate did was have Nic stand in the corner and shoot 3s' when the data shows that Nic is basically a 3-pt chucker this year if he isn't passing the ball.

This is what I have been saying and have been called a troll for doing so

Are you trolling, papag?

 

[THE HCP]

This is what I have been saying and have been called a troll for doing so

Are you trolling, papag?

It's HOW you do it you fuck! PapaG just put out #'s to back his opinions and stated his argument in manner that isn't so FUCKING NEGATIVE! You come on here and type......Nic sucks ass and we better not overpay him he fucking sucks..... blah blah blah!

 

[MickZagger]

I keep hearing on how Nate used Nic in such a terrible manner, yet Nic shot better under Nate, shot fewer 3s with a better %, shot less<50% of his attempts from 3 as opposed to over 40% this year.

How is it that 'all Nate did was have Nic stand in the corner and shoot 3s' when the data shows that Nic is basically a 3-pt chucker this year if he isn't passing the ball.

You do realize Nate only coached him roughly half the year last year.

 

[PapaG]

You do realize that Nate coached Nic for the first 3.5 years of his career, right?

 

[MickZagger]

You do realize that Nate coached Nic for the first 3.5 years of his career, right?

God, I'm just so tempting...

 

[RoyToy]

You do realize that Nate coached Nic for the first 3.5 years of his career, right?

Facts don't matter to some people.

 

[MickZagger]

My theme music should be, "Simply Irresistible".

 

[PapaG]

You got the "simply" part right, at least.