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Put me in the, "Whatever" category. Would have liked to get more for Bayless and think he can be an impact player in the right system, but that system is not the Blazers' under Nate. I'm not a Nate basher, just saying that Bayless's game doesn't fit with what Nate looks for in a PG. With Mathews ligthing up the preseason, I'd expect to see some run for Roy playing PG and it sounds like Johnson had moved ahead of Bayless in Nate's depth chart as well. So, where was Bayless going to play? No minutes available at 2G with Mathews & Rudy at that spot. I see this as a move to avoid the distraction of an unhappy Bayless, while also avoiding having to cut Pendergraph and keeping an option open to get a decent player in the future.
 
Minstrel said:
Yes, exactly. After two seasons, at the rather advanced age of 22, Bayless never fulfilled expectations. Why, some of this year's draftees are the same age as him! That's how old he is. Thank goodness the plug was pulled on this long Bayless experiment.
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Give me a break. Should we have kept him as long as we did Webster, who never got any better?? Or as long as Outlaw, who also never really developed? I credit the Blazers for learning when to cut their losses.

Bayless had two years to show something, and he simply didn't show very much. I attended one of his best games, against New Jersey in his rookie year, but I never saw much from him after that.
 
So as a Blazer fan, we are hoping that NO falls apart again this year . . . to the point they don't make the playoffs and are the 8-10th worst team.

If No gets off to a slow start and Paul gets frustrated . . . I could see this senario.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Bad trade IMO.

Bayless is really talented, and still the best fit next to Brandon on our roster. Nate decided to take the guy with less talent that plays "Nate ball" because that's how Nate played.
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It sounds like the player that is going to be playing alongside Brandon because of this trade is Wesley Mathews, he can defend and he can shoot, plus do a little bit of everything else. If anything Jerryd was probably the least suited guard to play next to Brandon because of his need to handle the ball, but inability to shoot and his propensity for "handsy" defense and less than stellar setup skills.

Meh whatever, it's done know, there's not much point in rehashing it all at this point.
 
Shooter said:
Give me a break. Should we have kept him as long as we did Webster, who never got any better?? Or as long as Outlaw, who also never really developed? I credit the Blazers for learning when to cut their losses.

Bayless had two years to show something, and he simply didn't show very much. I attended one of his best games, against New Jersey in his rookie year, but I never saw much from him after that.
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That's laughable.... Have you forgotten what Outlaw looked like in his rookie season? There was a huge progression during his 6.5 years here. I think Travis hit his ceiling, but he actually became a major role player on a playoff team. Webster also had five years in Portland before we finally gave up on the experiment. Bayless got two years here. You think that was enough to gauge how good he was going to be in a Blazers uniform?
 
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I just discovered it. The pick in 2011 is only top-7 protected, which makes it a slightly better deal than I thought.
 
Bayless is too intense and cocky for his own good. Monty is going to have a tough time managing him and CP3.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's laughable.... Have you forgotten what Outlaw looked like in his rookie season? There was a huge progression during his 6.5 years here. I think Travis hit his ceiling, but he actually became a major role player on a playoff team. Webster also had five years in Portland before we finally gave up on the experiment. Bayless got two years here. You think that was enough to gauge how good he was going to be in a Blazers uniform?
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Maybe not, but I have a feeling the Blazers are somewhat over the "give a guy a chance" method of roster building and player development. They need productive role players and bench guys who can step in and contribute now and for whatever reason Bayless never fully seized the opportunity put before him. Hopefully this does two things: makes the Blazers better and more balanced, and allows Jerryd to find success somewhere else.
 
Shooter said:
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I just discovered it. The pick in 2011 is only top-7 protected, which makes it a slightly better deal than I thought.
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But what are the chances that New Orleans is the eighth worst team in the NBA this season? The only way I see that happening is if Paul goes down with an injury, or if they trade him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's laughable.... Have you forgotten what Outlaw looked like in his rookie season? There was a huge progression during his 6.5 years here. I think Travis hit his ceiling, but he actually became a major role player on a playoff team. Webster also had five years in Portland before we finally gave up on the experiment. Bayless got two years here. You think that was enough to gauge how good he was going to be in a Blazers uniform?
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Yes, there was some improvement in Outlaw, but it certainly wasn't HUGE. He has an extremely one-dimensional game, and his skills are still, after 7 years, very raw. I don't think I ever saw him make one inventive pass the entire time he wore a Blazer uniform. Webster, to be fair, improved some as well, but his game was incredibly spotty, and also very limited. Webster and Outlaw had huge holes in their games, and they never overcame them.
 
PA saves a ton of money in this deal. Wonder if he's trying to get under the lux tax.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But what are the chances that New Orleans is the eighth worst team in the NBA this season? The only way I see that happening is if Paul goes down with an injury, or if they trade him.
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Hmm... I actually think they'll be hard-pressed to make the playoffs, and getting a pick in the 9 or 10 range seems possible.

I like it a lot more with that level of protection...

Ed O.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But what are the chances that New Orleans is the eighth worst team in the NBA this season? The only way I see that happening is if Paul goes down with an injury, or if they trade him.
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Here's what's going to happen: everyone BUT Paul goes down, and they beg us for their pick back in exchange for Paul.
 
Shooter said:
Yes, there was some improvement in Outlaw, but it certainly wasn't HUGE. He has an extremely one-dimensional game, and his skills are still, after 7 years, very raw. I don't think I ever saw him make one inventive pass the entire time he wore a Blazer uniform. Webster, to be fair, improved some as well, but his game was incredibly spotty, and also very limited. Webster and Outlaw had huge holes in their games, and they never overcame them.
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Man, you obviously don't remember what Outlaw was like as a rookie. The buy was beyond raw. He didn't have the turn-around-J that he eventually developed. He could really only dunk.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But what are the chances that New Orleans is the eighth worst team in the NBA this season? The only way I see that happening is if Paul goes down with an injury, or if they trade him.
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It's hard to say how good New Orleans will be, but if they somehow slip into the lottery, and get a pick between 8 and 14, it belongs to us. That's a better deal for Portland than was previously reported.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Man, you obviously don't remember what Outlaw was like as a rookie. The buy was beyond raw. He didn't have the turn-around-J that he eventually developed. He could really only dunk.
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So you think Outlaw turned himself into a bonafide NBA player?? If so, we'll just have to disagree. I'll admit that he made some progress, and carved out a niche for himself on the team, but man his game is SEVERELY limited. Every time I watched him play I cringed, because his game was so undisciplined and undeveloped.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But what are the chances that New Orleans is the eighth worst team in the NBA this season? The only way I see that happening is if Paul goes down with an injury, or if they trade him.
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That's certainly the best case, but even if they end up with a pick in the 9 - 12 range (which is about what a 30-35 win team can expect) then that's pretty good value for an undersized shooting guard who can't shoot. Worst case the Hornets go on some unholy tear and end up with 50 wins and squeak into the playoffs, but I don't see that being very likely.
 
I think New Orleans is on the bubble for the playoffs so this could work out well for us.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Maybe not, but I have a feeling the Blazers are somewhat over the "give a guy a chance" method of roster building and player development.
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As they should be. We've gone down that road way too much, and it has usually ended badly. Sometimes a player will blossom in his third or fourth year, but the great majority of the time what you see in the rookie or sophomore year is what you get (unless there are injury problems, as in Oden's case).
 
Shooter said:
So you think Outlaw turned himself into a bonafide NBA player?? If so, we'll just have to disagree. I'll admit that he made some progress, and carved out a niche for himself on the team, but man his game is SEVERELY limited. Every time I watched him play I cringed, because his game was so undisciplined and undeveloped.
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How can you even qualify your statement when we barely saw Outlaw his rookie season? He played in 8 games for a total of 19 minutes for the season. You think that's a good sample of what a player can do? I watched the guy in practice all season and I'm telling you right now that he had very very limited skills as a rookie.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How can you even qualify your statement when we barely saw Outlaw his rookie season? He played in 8 games for a total of 19 minutes for the season. You think that's a good sample of what a player can do? I watched the guy in practice all season and I'm telling you right now that he had very very limited skills as a rookie.
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Good. Fine. Wonderful. You win. Outlaw was an All-Star and Portland was stupid to let him go. Happy now?
 
Shooter said:
Good. Fine. Wonderful. You win. Outlaw was an All-Star and Portland was stupid to let him go. Happy now?
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Don't get pissy. You're the one who said that Outlaw never really developed in 6.5 years in Portland, and I was merely illustrating that you were incorrect in your assessment.
 
Jon Hollinger has a nice take:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/20627/blazers-add-another-asset-to-trade-chest

And what Portland got in return is pretty good. According to a CBS Sportsline report, the protection is only top-7 for 2011 and top-8 each of the three years after; since the Hornets aren’t exactly a guaranteed success this year, it appears the Blazers gained a strong asset to utilize in future deals. If Bayless was going to be a fringe rotation player anyway, clearing the roster spot and getting a plum asset makes the deal a no-brainer.

Keep an eye on that asset. Portland, a team that’s widely considered “one player away,” now has another alluring piece to package in a trade should Mr. Right become available. The Blazers have two rookie first-rounders who will hardly play this year, New Orleans' first-rounder, their own, the expiring contracts of Joel Przybilla and Andre Miller and talented young players like Fernandez and Nic Batum. Few teams are better positioned to pounce.
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Adding Bayless is important for two reasons. First, his acquisition ends New Orleans' slapstick pursuit of a backup point guard that saw a head-scratching trade for Willie Green and another with the Spurs for D-League vet Curtis Jerrells. It goes without saying that Bayless is a massive upgrade on both. Second, while Bayless isn’t a pure point guard, his shot-creating ability in particular should help one of the league’s weakest second units generate offense.

Ultimately, however, this deal is about the Blazers’ confidence in Matthews and Fernandez allowing them to part with Bayless and get more trade assets for down the road.
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I wonder if this trade was made to appease Rudy a little bit. The dumping of Bayless means a few more minutes for Fernandez.
 
Darkwebs said:
I wonder if this trade was made to appease Rudy a little bit. The dumping of Bayless means a few more minutes for Fernandez.
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I don't know.... does it really? How do the minutes break down between Johnson, Matthews and Rudy?
 
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