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Rastapopoulos said:
That's a silly comparison. Magic was a PF with otherworldly passing and dribbling skills.
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Magic was not a PF, he was a PG prospect and nothing else. Nobody was looking at drafting their future PF. So let me correct you, "Magic was a PG with otherworldly passing and dribbling skills." Now you're correct and yes I'd say that describes both Magic and Rubio as prospects perfectly.


Could Rubio start at center and score 40 points in his rookie year? I think not.
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Was he drafted to? No, he was drafted to be a PG, which is where he played his entire career. Magic played center in one game because of a plethora of injuries. So if the same thing happened to Portland I suppose he could, but that's not what you judge them by as a prospect.

But he's more Jason Kidd than Magic Johnson.

Go with Jason Kidd. (Who went #2, ahead of Grant Hill, remember, and also couldn't shoot.) It's safer (and less silly) than Magic.
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He's nothing like Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd was a defensive player with great court vision. He was never good on offense and never really showed any potential in that area either. Rubio has been very good offensively and projects to improve in that area tremendously. But at 18 Rubio is already better offensively than Kidd was in his prime. Rubio also has length, Kidd is kind of stumpy.
 
How about the Lakers give you TWO PG's for him?

Farmar & Sun Yue for Bayless?

It works : link
 
I'll care when the comment comes from Bayless directly, or a named member of the organization. And even then, not very much. Almost any talented, competitive player would be frustrated about being buried. Competitive spirit manifests itself in all ways...not just for the team, but for the individual too. As long as he's playing his best, I'm fine with him.

I certainly hope that minutes are found for him. He's one of the two or three most talented guards on the team. Trading him would be silly, since Portland couldn't hope to recoup his talent, and I am relatively sure that Pritchard has no plans at all to trade him.
 
Drink Your Milkshake said:
And completely true. Very few people would argue about that, unless of course they really don't know what they're talking about. I argued with people like you about Rudy being a great prospect. You would have laughed at me then too, so you laughing now means nothing to me. I was right about Rudy. I was right about Batum. I was right about Sergio. And I'm going to be right about Rubio as well.

He's the best PG prospect since Magic.
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You know you just said a bunch of shit that isn't true. First of all, you don't know what I do or do not know about basketball. You have no idea who I am, how much hoops I watch, how much international hoops I watch, and even if you did know all of those things, you don't know what I am thinking until I tell you what I am thinking. You didin't argue with people like me about Rudy, because I never argued with anybody about Rudy, because I thought Rudy would turn out pretty good. I still don't know what level he will turn out to be. He has a long ways to go.

Secondly, are you done tooting your own horn yet? You talk a lot about being right about his or that. I just joined this message board a couple of months ago. I wasn't even here when people were talking about that stuff. I don't know what you did or did not say. So go ahead and say you were right. Right about what? Right about expressing your opinion? I believe plenty of people will still disagree with you as to what Sergio, and Batum, are, and how good they are, and I am sure plenty of people disagree if you are supposedly right. You may think Sergio is great. I am sure a lot of folks here wish he would not stink it up.
 
I don't give a rip if our PG scores during the game at all. Well.... I would like him to be deadly at the foul line "BLAKE". That said the PG's job is to get the offense running and get the ball to the weapons that can score. Assists and defense win games and that's what I want at that position. The next great PG very well may be from the Euro leagues, here's why:

The Euro league players know how to pass and work with and without the ball to get into the right position to be most effective, THAT'S SPOT ON!!!! The foundations of their basketball IQ is solid. I'd say much higher than the NBA. They are thinking players.

The NBA players are all about gifted physical talent, size, and speed. That often can outweigh high basketball IQ as we saw in the Olympics. Yet let's understand who won us the Gold! Kobe and Paul, both of these guys have a healthy dose of talent and very high hoops IQs. I think we can all agree on this. The Kobe of 10 years ago might not have won us the gold. It took time for Kobe to learn the mental of what it takes to be a Hall of Fame player. The same is true of Paul and he will get even better with time.


To much showboating and not enough hoops academics has been the knock on the US players. As it should!!!! Our players really need to go back to school and learn so their minds can catch up with their bodies. When that's been achieved the Euro's wont be such an impact as your seeing today.
 
its a rumor so thus no big deal...but we do need to do something with Raef.....

endorsements? i think he has a few over in europe......

san antanio or maimi or dallas seem more ribio's style than new york.
 
Drink Your Milkshake said:
Yeah, Rubio is a MUCH better prospect than either of those two were when they were drafted. Was Rubio 16 when they were drafted? If rules allowed it he would have been drafted ahead of them in that draft. Paul was drafted after three teams passed on him, DWill even later. Rubio is going first in pretty much any draft he's in, period. Rubio is 6'5 with unparalleled vision and handles.

You are funny. Full of opinions, little information to back it up. You seem like an extremely angry person. GL with that.


That's not the point when comparing prospects. The point is to compare them at the time they were drafted. CP3 and DWill have reached their potential, they are established NBA stars. They were not drafted that way, there were drafted as prospects. Big difference, and an important difference.

Maybe to you. If Paul or Williams were in the same draft as RR, I probably would pick them both ahead based upon their college careers alone... I wanted Williams in that draft, if I'd had the choice.
At any rate, I think it has been proven that picking high in the NBA draft based solely upon upside potential is foolish. RR should stay in Europe at least until 2010 or 2011 to develop his resume and show he is worthy of such a high pick. To be fair, I think he will develop into a solid NBA player, but to say he is the best prospect since Magic is :crazy:



*edited: No ethnic slurs* I would have hoped Portland's foreign fan base would have increased by now, or at the very least Portland fans would have learned a little bit about ball outside the US. Instead all I see is the same ignorant cliched bullshit.

There are many things I could say to attack this, but I believe it is plain to all how ignorant these types of attacks are.

Okay, so you're admitting you don't know anything about the draft. Thank you for staying away from the Blazers front office.

Are you trying to set a record for being on more ignore lists than any poster in history?



Have you seen Blake or Nash play defense at PG? Sergio is no worse than either of them. Sergio still needs to work on his offense, but when he's in the game the rest of the teams offense is better. Too bad some people are overly concerned with scoring from their PG's, especially their young ones. You were probably on the trade O'Neal bandwagon as well.
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Disagree about Serg being as good a defender as Blake or Nash. Nash is a tough comparison, because he is playing in a different system. Both are far better at keeping his man in front of them, IMO.

I don't care about Rodriguez' scoring... obviously his shooting is a weak point that needs to improve. I will admit he has court vision, but that alone is insufficient in a quality PG.

As far as O'Neal goes, I fail to see the relevance... Nice attempt at an insult.
 
Before we all begin to cannibalize our team and Bayless, let's wait until another source other then just mister Christopher confirms what J-Bay said. Or better yet, wait until KP or Bayless comment on the matter.
 
Rubio debate aside, I think this is common for a rookie. Outlaw was frustrated in his first year too. He wanted to be traded too. He complained too. You just didn't hear about it. I did. They just want to play. They just want to show what they can do. Bayless was taken higher than Outlaw, so I'd expect his frustration to be 10x worse. I'm not worried.
 
it's_GO_time said:
I thought Farmar was a fan favorite down there . . . what's up?
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All his stats are down this year. He claims its because Phil is trying him to implement the triangle with the 2nd unit where before they were just run and gun. He also cant play a lick of defense
 
Wasn't there an almost identical story six weeks ago about how Sergio was frustrated and wanted more time or wanted to be traded. Result? He has been playing more. Maybe Bayless thinks the same technique will work for him and let him see some court. Who cares, Bayless won't be going anywhere IMO.
 
Drink Your Milkshake said:
Yeah, Rubio is a MUCH better prospect than either of those two were when they were drafted. Was Rubio 16 when they were drafted? If rules allowed it he would have been drafted ahead of them in that draft. Paul was drafted after three teams passed on him, DWill even later. Rubio is going first in pretty much any draft he's in, period. Rubio is 6'5 with unparalleled vision and handles.
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Williams was drafted ahead of Chris Paul. They were 3rd and 4th respectively.

Considering the suspect management teams of the teams drafting ahead of Utah (which at one point was Portland's pick with Nash and Patterson) and New Orleans - I do not think that is a fair assessment of why Paul and Williams were passed over. They would have passed over Rubio as well in the same circumstance.
 
Look around the web for anything on this

hoopshype- *crickets*
hoopsworld- *crickets*

Hmmmm.....
 
I am going to assume that this report is BS. I bet Jerryd is frustrated, I would be if I were him. But saying he wants to be traded already? That seems unlikely...
 
drink your milkshake is obsessed with rubio. he even suggested trading roy to be able to get him lmao
 
Drink Your Milkshake said:
Yeah, Rubio is a MUCH better prospect than either of those two were when they were drafted. Was Rubio 16 when they were drafted? If rules allowed it he would have been drafted ahead of them in that draft. Paul was drafted after three teams passed on him, DWill even later.
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Williams went #3 in the 2005 draft to the Jazz, Paul #4 to the Hornets

http://www.nba.com/draft2005/

I think your projection of Rubio going before them as a 16 year old is way way off. Dude is nice, but isn't a top shelf athlete and really struggles with his J. I doubt any team would have taken a project like him ahead of studs like Paul and Williams... but please keep tooting your horn

STOMP
 
RayDavies said:
Disagree about Serg being as good a defender as Blake or Nash. Nash is a tough comparison, because he is playing in a different system. Both are far better at keeping his man in front of them, IMO.
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If you had used any other measure of defense I might have agreed with you, but Sergio is clearly better than Blake at keeping his man in front of him. Blake has been statued so many times this year I'd need another couple hands and feet to keep count. Sergio has been much better in this respect. Better than Nash in that respect? I don't know, Nash is easily blown by, but sometimes he actually looks like a vet out there.
 
mmm...ethnic slurs are fun for the whole family! Did you guys know that Im half "dune coon" and half "cracker"???? Woo hoo!
 
PapaG said:
You want him to take out a loan for his buyout when he can just wait a few years and likely have little to zero for a buy-out and still be under 20 years old?
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Absolutely. And without question if it meant going to New York.

Would you not? :crazy:

Like I said, between now and 2011 Rubio can:

Stay in Europe. Collect 80,000 euros a year (maybe get a raise, but it's unlikely since he's under a more strict euro contract). Compete against subpar competition. Get some european endorsements, maybe a few million euros. Enter the draft where a team like Milwaukee will likely be in contention. Begin his first year of a rookie contract.

-- OR --

Pay $6.5MM buyout. Get drafted first or second this year. Play against the worlds best players. Have a chance to play in New York with D'Antoni and LeBron. Get a first year NBA rookie salary of $4MM and change. Depending on the market get $30MM or so in endorsements. Wake up in 2011 and realize you're one year away from free agency. Assuming of course he hasn't already been extended.

So Papa, if you were Rubio, which would you chose, and why?

The teams for the next decade and a half are being built right now. 2010 marks the beginning of a new era in basketball. 2011 is a year too late. I'll go ahead and predict right now that the team picking first in 2011 won't be in contention for an entire decade at least.
 
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