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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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Natebishop3 said:
If they do that they better deal Draymond. I can't even imagine those two on the floor at the same time.

OOOOOO

Would you do this trade? I'm not sure I wouldn't just want Simmons, but Draymond would probably fit better short term and Wiseman would be a nice longterm piece. Trade Nurk for something else.

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Are we giving up like 5 first rounders in that deal or what
 
Fez Forthright said:
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What's funny about this is that I write left handed, I eat left handed, but I do all sports right handed. Not sure why. I probably should have been right handed, but doing sports left handed felt wrong so I just decided on my own to play sports right handed.

This is called cross dominance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-dominance

It doesn't necessarily mean you're right or left handed.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
But it sounds like they want to seem like they're not trading him:
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After everyone in Philadelphia vented their spleen, this is where they have to end up, because Simmons is extremely talented and they can't possibly hope to recoup his ability in a similarly-talented box of another shape.

He's a very tall prime Jason Kidd, which means he'd be one of the best players in the league in any other era, but in this era, inability to shoot at all is a fatal flaw. He can't tie together all his value without some semblance of a shot. Other teams know that, so they're not going to trade an effective superstar for a fatally-flawed one. Philadelphia's only hope of reaping his value is getting him comfortable enough with shooting that he A. shoots when he's left open and B. hits enough of them that the outcome of the average possession in which he shoots is positive (which means the three-point mark he needs to be above is probably around 33%).

He may never get there, but that's at least not an impossible standard. Kidd himself showed that improved shooting isn't impossible. If Simmons can hit enough three-pointers that not defending him isn't a viable strategy, suddenly everything else he does at a very high level catapults him into a potential top-ten player. He'd basically become the new Scottie Pippen.

I mean, the other option for Philadelphia is to trade Embiid for value, but that ain't happening. You can build your offense around one high-minutes non-shooter but not two.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Cue massive discussion over whether CJ is "All-Star Caliber"....

I still say Minny should give up Russell for him at a minimum. Last I read, they really want Simmons but also see Russell as part of their core. Does that mean they'd give up Anthony Edwards? And even if they would, Philly should only do that if they can also get Kyle Lowry.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
What's funny about this is that I write left handed, I eat left handed, but I do all sports right handed. Not sure why. I probably should have been right handed, but doing sports left handed felt wrong so I just decided on my own to play sports right handed.

This is called cross dominance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-dominance

It doesn't necessarily mean you're right or left handed.
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Thanks for confirming that you are a weirdo
 
BigGameDamian said:
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here is the article

After a disappointing defeat in the second round of the playoffs to Atlanta, the 76ers and president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has been surveying the landscape for ways to improve their roster. Philadelphia lost to the Hawks in seven games in the Eastern Conference semifinals, culminating in coach Doc Rivers and MVP runner-up Joel Embiid singling out Ben Simmons’ play.

The mandate was for Simmons and Embiid to coexist on the court this past season under their new head coach and regime and to make a deep playoff run. Neither was accomplished. By all accounts, Embiid and Simmons have never been closer — off the court. But from Simmons’ inclusion in trade packages for James Harden with the Houston Rockets during the season to critical comments made about him from key 76ers people after Game 7, the writing is on the wall for Simmons and his future with the franchise.

The 76ers have opened up trade conversations surrounding Simmons and have engaged with teams, sources told The Athletic. Those sources also say that teams that have engaged with the 76ers about Simmons have been met with a high price threshold for the three-time All-Star.

“(The 76ers) want an All-Star-caliber player in return,” one source with knowledge of the ongoing talks said.

Make no mistake: Interest across the league in Simmons remains robust. He’s turning just 25 this month, was an All-NBA team member in 2019-20, is a two-time All-Defensive first-team member and a Rookie of the Year award winner. Simmons is under contract through 2025, making him the type of superstar talent that rarely becomes available at an attainable price at this juncture of his career.

Simmons decided to skip the Tokyo Olympics this summer with the Australian national team to spend time on his individual game. For Simmons, this is the crossroads of his career. So far, there appears to be renewed determination within him about bettering his game, even if he could be playing elsewhere soon.
 
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CJ and two firsts is the starting point IMO. And only way I see that going down is if the Sixers can’t find a deal before training camp.
 
B-Roy said:
CJ and two firsts is the starting point IMO. And only way I see that going down is if the Sixers can’t find a deal before training camp.
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It would be interesting to find out where this noise is coming from. Is Rich Paul angling to get Ben out, or is Daryl trying to increase his value? It doesn't seem like it's coming from other teams
 
I still think getting Simmons makes sense, but I'm also starting to wonder if the fit will work.

Dame is horrible at moving without the ball. I seriously think a three way that sends assets to Philly from GS, Simmons to the Warriors, and Draymond to Portland would make the most sense. I have absolutely loved the chemistry between Dame and Draymond in the exhibitions.
 
illmatic99 said:
lol @ the idea of a Simmons for Dame trade. Daryl can long all he want. Ain't happening.

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This is why the Dame rumors really couldn't have come at a worse time. Teams that we would have approached about trades for CJ are thinking all they need to do is hold out for a little while until Dame becomes available.
 
illmatic99 said:
It would be interesting to find out where this noise is coming from. Is Rich Paul angling to get Ben out, or is Daryl trying to increase his value? It doesn't seem like it's coming from other teams
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Both
 
Natebishop3 said:
This is why the Dame rumors really couldn't have come at a worse time. Teams that we would have approached about trades for CJ are thinking all they need to do is hold out for a little while until Dame becomes available.
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couldnt agree more. This offseason is already sucking more than most. Itll likely go down as the longest/worst offseason in our history due to all the speculations and waiting on the edge of our seats for some move to be made or something solid to drop.
Can we just fast forward 6 weeks and see how we look?
 
Ben Simmons is a freak athlete with everything you could want on defense and a great passer, screener and slasher on offense. We would be so lucky to get this guy. He'll probably be better than Giannis in a couple of years. So if we decide to move Dame, it should be for a package that includes Simmons. If Neil does the right thing and tries to build a long term contender around Dame he throws CJ and every pick possible at the Sixers and makes it work. That would make Nurk expendable, so we could shop him to the highest bidder. We could re-sign Norm. We could get a guy like Portis with the taxpayer MLE. We could contend next season.

That's the kind of game changer Simmons is. To think about the fit and making a three team deal that doesn't bring back an absolute freak, if we get a shot at a talent like Simmons, is foolish.
 
From Philly:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/nba-tra...mons-all-star-return-draft-picks-daryl-morey/

Signaling a willingness, if not the intent, to trade Simmons is something that puts everybody on the clock. The language of Charania's reporting reads like a purposeful leak, almost a challenge from the Sixers to the rest of the league to get their best offers in while the opportunity is still there. And when combined with the knowledge that Simmons' representation previously met with Philadelphia's front office to discuss the future of the partnership together, the writing is on the wall here. This is accelerating toward a deal in one form or another.


Internally, the new Sixers' brass has had no reservations or misunderstandings about who the best and most important player on the team was or is. Dating back to last offseason, pleasing Embiid was an organizational priority, a fact reflected in how their two younger stars reacted to the various wheelings and dealings of the summer. The big fella, who is far less active on social media than he was as a young player, repeatedly took to Twitter to blast out his excitement as the Sixers brought in Rivers and a decorated staff of assistant coaches in the offseason, as Simmons mostly remained silent aside from the odd retweet here or there about his partnership with esports outfit Faze Clan. Rivers also came in and immediately signaled the intent to play through Embiid first, second, and third, and he no longer giving Simmons de facto control of the second unit as Brett Brown did before him, force-feeding Embiid/Simmons lineups as much as possible to see exactly how far they could take the partnership (and, in fairness, because they helped Philly win a lot of games this year).

In previous seasons, Embiid routinely (and not especially artfully) made note of having to adjust how he plays offense to accommodate Simmons, explaining the three-point shots that angered traditionalists as a necessary part of the game. Sideswipes at Simmons were at a minimum this season, and while Embiid declined to offer thoughts on changes to be made this offseason, his post Game 7 comments (which admittedly more nuanced than many have suggested) revealed frustration that bubbled back to the surface after a buddy-buddy year with Simmons.

All of this is to say that the ending to this movie, broadly speaking, seems pretty obvious.


 
blazerkor said:
Ben Simmons is a freak athlete with everything you could want on defense and a great passer, screener and slasher on offense. We would be so lucky to get this guy. He'll probably be better than Giannis in a couple of years. So if we decide to move Dame, it should be for a package that includes Simmons. If Neil does the right thing and tries to build a long term contender around Dame he throws CJ and every pick possible at the Sixers and makes it work. That would make Nurk expendable, so we could shop him to the highest bidder. We could re-sign Norm. We could get a guy like Portis with the taxpayer MLE. We could contend next season.

That's the kind of game changer Simmons is. To think about the fit and making a three team deal that doesn't bring back an absolute freak, if we get a shot at a talent like Simmons, is foolish.
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The only way I want Simmons on this team is if Dame is still here. Otherwise they can go fuck themselves. Simmons on this team sucks otherwise.
 
Why does Philly want to trade Simmons?
Why would you consider trading a repetitive all star and defensive player of the year?
We wouldn't consider trading Dame unless he asked to be. Maybe Simmons wants a change of scenery?
 
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Hoopguru said:
Why does Philly want to Simmons?
Why would you consider trading a repetitive all star and defensive player of the year?
We wouldn't consider trading Dame unless he asked to be. Maybe Simmons wants a change of scenery?
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Ask the Fans who burnt his jersey.
 
B-Roy said:
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I don't see Hoopshype Canada as a reliable source, but it is an interesting scenario. Is it built around your headache (Simmons) for my headache (Siakam)? Is it built around Fred Van Vleet and OG? Hmmm...
 
Strenuus said:
The only way I want Simmons on this team is if Dame is still here. Otherwise they can go fuck themselves. Simmons on this team sucks otherwise.
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There's no world where Simmons sucks. He had a bad series and got in his head but you're basically saying that if we don't have Dame you don't want Giannis.
 
Graduate32 said:
I don't see Hoopshype Canada as a reliable source, but it is an interesting scenario. Is it built around your headache (Simmons) for my headache (Siakam)? Is it built around Fred Van Vleet and OG? Hmmm...
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It's interesting how no sources, whether this, Stein or any other, have Portland interested in Simmons. Obviously that would not leak out of Portland's FO, but if the sources are coming out of Philly's FO (which Hoopshype CA says it is), then presumably you would see Portland being mentioned.

Or maybe Philly thinks McCollum is a non-starter, and don't want him under any circumstances. I'd peg that as more likely.
 
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