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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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wizenheimer said:
I know it's a Simmons thread, but in those 2 posts, I wasn't talking about Simmons, at all. Sorry for the sidetrack. Was just talking about the value of potential and how much more often it disappoints than delivers.

as far as Simmons, I'm in favor of Portland trading for him without even accounting for any of his 'potential' because the level of production he has already established, with all his warts, is much better talent than what the Blazers can realistically hope to find over the next couple of years anywhere else
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You hit the nail on the head. I've got a gut feeling CJ is going to have a career year under Billups tutelage. I love CJ. But this IS an op to get a player, under contract for 4 years, that along with our Generational talent Dame, could take us to the Apex of basketball. That doesn't come around often for , arguably, The Best City in the NBA, that Superstars don't want to come to. Sadly that's just the way it is. So as much as i'm torn on this, i have to agree with what you're saying.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
At this point it's going to require the Philly fans storming the owner's house and demanding he make the trade, and then the owner telling Morey to do it, because there's no way Morey makes that trade unless he's forced to.

Also - "and fillers"? Their salaries match. At this point it's straight up or nothing, bitches.
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Philly Fan might very well do just that. Obviously their Media is on board.
 
Cleveland is apparently the other team (besides Minnesota) most actively pursuing Simmons:

https://hoopswire.com/dribbles-ben-simmons-to-the-cavs-lets-discuss/

Getting Rubio back as part of the trade makes a lot of sense for Philly. He's an even better passer than Simmons, is pretty good defensively and has actually learned how to shoot over the years.

If the Cavs offered this, Philly should probably take it:
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Not saying I want to do that just saying that’s what I think will happen. Cj’s obviously not enough for Simmons or deal would be done makes to much sense for both teams so think they’ll be 3 team deal that will move CJ not sure to who but that’s how I see it going down
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Not saying I want to do that just saying that’s what I think will happen. Cj’s obviously not enough for Simmons or deal would be done makes to much sense for both teams so think they’ll be 3 team deal that will move CJ not sure to who but that’s how I see it going down
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so...you see Portland trading CJ in a Simmons trade, just not for Simmons?

hard to see that, especially if Philly feels CJ is not a good enough return. That would imply that from Philly's perspective, there would be two players better than CJ moving in a 3 way deal: Simmons and player X. And Portland gets player X? What does Philly get?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
At this point it's going to require the Philly fans storming the owner's house and demanding he make the trade, and then the owner telling Morey to do it, because there's no way Morey makes that trade unless he's forced to.

Also - "and fillers"? Their salaries match. At this point it's straight up or nothing, bitches.
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Can I get an "amen!" CJ for Simmons may not be a homerun for Philly, but it is a low-risk move. It may be that the pro-Simmons folks are right and it is a high reward deal for us. It is also high-risk! The more assets the Blazers pour into this deal, the higher the risk. I know some people just flat refuse to believe it, but the high volume of talk about Simmon's bad attitude can't all be lies.

Remember the Butler saga? Do you want the Blazers to reprise the role of the TWolves or Philly?
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Can I get an "amen!" CJ for Simmons may not be a homerun for Philly, but it is a low-risk move. It may be that the pro-Simmons folks are right and it is a high reward deal for us. It is also high-risk! The more assets the Blazers pour into this deal, the higher the risk. I know some people just flat refuse to believe it, but the high volume of talk about Simmon's bad attitude can't all be lies.

Remember the Butler saga? Do you want the Blazers to reprise the role of the TWolves or Philly?
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I wonder as well?
Ask yourself this. Would CJ be an All Star in the east with Embiid?
Would Simmons be an All Star in the west with Dame?
I honestly don't think Simmons would make the All Star team in the west. I think there is a very good chance CJ would make the All Star team in the east but not certain?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I wonder as well?
Ask yourself this. Would CJ be an All Star in the east with Embiid?
Would Simmons be an All Star in the west with Dame?
I honestly don't think Simmons would make the All Star team in the west. I think there is a very good chance CJ would make the All Star team in the east but not certain?
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CJ would hands down make the All Star team in the East. Just my opinion. He would become a marketing bonanza out East as well.
 
wizenheimer said:
so...you see Portland trading CJ in a Simmons trade, just not for Simmons?

hard to see that, especially if Philly feels CJ is not a good enough return. That would imply that from Philly's perspective, there would be two players better than CJ moving in a 3 way deal: Simmons and player X. And Portland gets player X? What does Philly get?
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CJ & Boucher to PHI
Siakam & Thybulle to POR
Simmons & Nurk to TOR

:dunno:

Of course, If I'm Philly, I just trade for Siakam rather than involving Portland.
 
Simmons/Nance makes a lot more sense than Simmons/Nurkic.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I think there is a very good chance CJ would make the All Star team in the east but not certain?
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Hoopguru said:
CJ would hands down make the All Star team in the East. Just my opinion. He would become a marketing bonanza out East as well.
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Joel Embiid
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Kyrie Irving
Giannis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Julius Randle
Trae Young
Jimmy Butler
Bam Adebayo
Jayson Tatum
Jalen Brown
Bradley Beal
Domantas Sabonis
Malcolm Brogdon
Zach LaVine
Pascal Siakam
Jerami Grant

RJ Barrett
John Collins
Terry Rozier
Gordon Hayward
Lamelo Ball
Lonzo Ball
Fred Van Vleet
OG Anunoby
Colin Sexton

this "CJ would be an all-star in the East" narrative comes up over and over. I've asked before which 9 players on the top list CJ is clearly better than and would bump, as well as hold off all of the young guns off that 2nd list. Never get an answer and don't expect a realistic answer now

what I do get back is chatter about how CJ performs without Dame; but that completely skips the context of CJ's extremely high usage rate in those games and him 'leading the league in FGA'. Which poses the question of just how good any team would be with CJ as the #1 option in the top-5 of the league in FGA's

for instance, if CJ was traded to Philly for Simmons, he'd be replacing a player who averaged 4 less FGA's than CJ did for Portland. Further, Dame + Powell averaged 33 FGA/game. Embiid + Harris averaged 33 FGA/game. So where exactly is CJ going to get these extra shot opportunities? From Embiid and Harris who are both more efficient shooters? From Curry? Where?

more than that is that Philly would have to assign CJ the job of running the offense which could easily reduce his shot opportunities...he's sure as hell not Dame after all. Which would be a giant leap of faith because Simmons has a career average assist rate of 34.5% while CJ is at 17.5%. In fact, this could explain why Philly seems so reluctant to try and replace Simmons with CJ...they don't believe CJ can adequately replace Simmons in running a team....a pretty reasonable conclusion

in any event, the notion that CJ would be a cinch for the all-star game in the East seems to ignore realities
 
PtldPlatypus said:
CJ & Boucher to PHI
Siakam & Thybulle to POR
Simmons & Nurk to TOR

:dunno:

Of course, If I'm Philly, I just trade for Siakam rather than involving Portland.
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of course, that would make for an interesting offense; Embiid, Siakam, & Harris each glaring at the other two because they can't, or won't, pass the ball
 
wizenheimer said:
Joel Embiid
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Kyrie Irving
Giannis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Julius Randle
Trae Young
Jimmy Butler
Bam Adebayo
Jayson Tatum
Jalen Brown
Bradley Beal
Domantas Sabonis
Malcolm Brogdon
Zach LaVine
Pascal Siakam
Jerami Grant

RJ Barrett
John Collins
Terry Rozier
Gordon Hayward
Lamelo Ball
Lonzo Ball
Fred Van Vleet
OG Anunoby
Colin Sexton

this "CJ would be an all-star in the East" narrative comes up over and over. I've asked before which 9 players on the top list CJ is clearly better than and would bump, as well as hold off all of the young guns off that 2nd list. Never get an answer and don't expect a realistic answer now

what I do get back is chatter about how CJ performs without Dame; but that completely skips the context of CJ's extremely high usage rate in those games and him 'leading the league in FGA'. Which poses the question of just how good any team would be with CJ as the #1 option in the top-5 of the league in FGA's

for instance, if CJ was traded to Philly for Simmons, he'd be replacing a player who averaged 4 less FGA's than CJ did for Portland. Further, Dame + Powell averaged 33 FGA/game. Embiid + Harris averaged 33 FGA/game. So where exactly is CJ going to get these extra shot opportunities? From Embiid and Harris who are both more efficient shooters? From Curry? Where?

more than that is that Philly would have to assign CJ the job of running the offense which could easily reduce his shot opportunities...he's sure as hell not Dame after all. Which would be a giant leap of faith because Simmons has a career average assist rate of 34.5% while CJ is at 17.5%. In fact, this could explain why Philly seems so reluctant to try and replace Simmons with CJ...they don't believe CJ can adequately replace Simmons in running a team....a pretty reasonable conclusion

in any event, the notion that CJ would be a cinch for the all-star game in the East seems to ignore realities
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I guess that is why I didn’t say he would be a cinch to be an All Star.
What I said was pretty clear.
I think there is a very good chance but I’m not certain.
CJ would get that kind of usage. You also don’t have to push all those players. Injuries and the quality of the season plus record all come into play. CJ with Embiid playing on a contender in the east might get him a spot?
 
Tell me you have those posts in a bookmarked file, and you don't type that all out EVERY time someone mentions CJ and all star in east. Lol
 
RR7 said:
Tell me you have those posts in a bookmarked file, and you don't type that all out EVERY time someone mentions CJ and all star in east. Lol
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lol...could be

I'll put it this way...didn't take me long to make that post, and my fingers don't dance across the keyboard. Cntrl+C is fast
 
wizenheimer said:
Joel Embiid
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Kyrie Irving
Giannis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Julius Randle
Trae Young
Jimmy Butler
Bam Adebayo
Jayson Tatum
Jalen Brown
Bradley Beal
Domantas Sabonis
Malcolm Brogdon
Zach LaVine
Pascal Siakam
Jerami Grant

RJ Barrett
John Collins
Terry Rozier
Gordon Hayward
Lamelo Ball
Lonzo Ball
Fred Van Vleet
OG Anunoby
Colin Sexton

this "CJ would be an all-star in the East" narrative comes up over and over. I've asked before which 9 players on the top list CJ is clearly better than and would bump, as well as hold off all of the young guns off that 2nd list. Never get an answer and don't expect a realistic answer now
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Even if someone were to give an answer, it's doubtful that you would consider any answer you received to be "reasonable".
 
wizenheimer said:
so...you see Portland trading CJ in a Simmons trade, just not for Simmons?

hard to see that, especially if Philly feels CJ is not a good enough return. That would imply that from Philly's perspective, there would be two players better than CJ moving in a 3 way deal: Simmons and player X. And Portland gets player X? What does Philly get?
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In that scenario wouldn't it be Philly getting Player X, Portland getting Simmons, and Team Z getting CJ?

barfo
 
RR7 said:
Tell me you have those posts in a bookmarked file, and you don't type that all out EVERY time someone mentions CJ and all star in east. Lol
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I really cannot imagine actually bookmarking a file and creating an actual folder to hold a bunch of posts and statements that I could use on a fan website. Maybe that is what I'm doing wrong here? I just think it and type it. Yes I make a bunch of mistakes and simply post opinion most of the time.
 
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Fairly-Hard said:
I really cannot imagine actually bookmarking a file and crating an actual folder to hold a bunch of posts and statements that I could use on a fan website. Maybe that is what I'm doing wrong here? I just think it and type it. Yes I make a bunch of mistakes and simply post opinion most of the time.
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I just can't imagine typing out 1000 words any time someone mentions cj being an all star in the east.
 
RR7 said:
I just can't imagine typing out 1000 words any time someone mentions cj being an all star in the east.
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c'mon man...there probably wasn't even 300 words and many of those were player names. And for sure people say CJ would be an all-star in the east a hell of a lot more often than I bother to respond. A+ for exaggeration

you've spent as much time stalking my CJ posts as I have talking about CJ's all-star chances
 
wizenheimer said:
try me
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Assumptions required to put CJ in all-star consideration:
--CJ runs the point in Philly
--Harris takes a tertiary offensive role with CJ at point
--Philly remains top-3 in the East

With those assumptions, I would put CJ ahead of the following players in list 1
Lavine
Siakam
Grant
Brogdon
Brown
Butler
Middleton
Holiday
Randle

None of that is to say that McCollum is necessarily better than any of those players, but that CJ's performance and role on a top 3 Sixers team would likely elevate his ASG resume over theirs.
 
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