Best PG who could be bought

[Magnum]

Best PG available without trading our core of Oden, LMA, and Roy.

Anyone would be hard pressed to get Paul and Williams for any price, so who's left out there that would be worth pursuing if we wanted to empty our cupboard a bit?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

With the emergence of Stuckey, and Afflalo looking great, Billups could be on the block, but Dumars won't do a deal unless he rips the other team off.

Barbosa is a possibility if the Suns come out struggling.

Raymond Felton is also a possibility if Augustin emerges as the starting PG in Charlotte.

Jamaal Tinsley could easily be had.

To be honest I don't see any of those guys that much better than Steve Blake, except for Billups of course, but his price tag is probably too much.

 

[Magnum]

Mo Williams
Baron Davis
Kirk Hinrich
Steve Nash
Chauncy Billups
Raymond Felton
Jose Calderon
Jason Kidd
Lou Williams (sp?)
Rondo
Jameer Nelson
Derek Fisher
Tony Parker
Devin Harris?

Any takers from that list?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Mo Williams
Baron Davis
Kirk Hinrich
Steve Nash
Chauncy Billups
Raymond Felton
Jose Calderon
Jason Kidd
Lou Williams (sp?)
Rondo
Jameer Nelson
Derek Fisher
Tony Parker
Devin Harris?

Any takers from that list?

Some of the people on that list are very unrealistic. Mo Williams and Baron Davis just got to there new teams. No chance. Jason Kidd is too old. Steve Nash is the face of the Suns franchise. Calderon isn't going to be moved, Tony Parker isn't going to be moved. Rondo isn't going to be moved anytime soon. Devin Harris isn't going to be moved either.

 

[drexlersdad]

i really liked tj ford this last offseason but the pacers swooped in.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

i really liked tj ford this last offseason but the pacers swooped in.

Wasn't that they necessarily swooped in, Jermaine O'neal is a big name, bigger than anyone we could have given. At least he gives fans hope until they find out he sucks now.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Mike Conley Jr.

 

[mook]

Billups is kind of an intriguing idea. I have a hard time believing the Pistons really want to tear it all down, though. And he's 32, which is pretty old for our team.

Prince + Billups for Fernandez/Baylesss/Outlaw/Webster/LaFrentz/Pick works. We'd be giving up youth and a fantastic long-term prospects in Fernandez and Bayless, but we'd be title contenders this year. Detroit gets out of $20+ mil in contracts.

I can't make up my mind if that's an insanely bad deal for us or them. Probably a deal Detroit fans hate now, but love five years from now.

Hard to believe Detroit would do that deal after yet another trip to the conference finals. They probably make it there again this year if they don't do this deal. Meh, fun to think about.

 

[Magnum]

Some of the people on that list are very unrealistic. Mo Williams and Baron Davis just got to there new teams. No chance. Jason Kidd is too old. Steve Nash is the face of the Suns franchise. Calderon isn't going to be moved, Tony Parker isn't going to be moved. Rondo isn't going to be moved anytime soon. Devin Harris isn't going to be moved either.

I'm thinking more towards deadline time rather than now. Even players with new contracts, or new teams can become available due to less than expected performance or a team no longer in contention that wants to blow it up.

and Blockbuster trades are precisely that because players that aren't expected to be dealt... are.

Most of the players on that list could be obtained by overpaying to some degree. A guy like Chris Paul, while theoretically tradeable (for lebron as an example) isn't realistically tradeable with normal NBA assets...

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Detroit isn't going to trade Prince or Billups to us without them getting one of our big 3. That's how Dumars works. When asked about Prince, he said Portland would have to add Roy to the equation. Not gonna happen.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Detroit isn't going to trade Prince or Billups to us without them getting one of our big 3. That's how Dumars works. When asked about Prince, he said Portland would have to add Roy to the equation. Not gonna happen.

I disagree Billups is a prime candidate to be traded. Especially if his backup plays as well as he did last year. He's getting older if Dumars can get a draft pick, expiring contract and another good prospect back I could see him making a trade. Conley Jr. would be a nice fit but I have a feeling he's going to really bust out this year.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I disagree Billups is a prime candidate to be traded. Especially if his backup plays as well as he did last year. He's getting older if Dumars can get a draft pick, expiring contract and another good prospect back I could see him making a trade. Conley Jr. would be a nice fit but I have a feeling he's going to really bust out this year.

Huh? I never said Billups isn't a prime candidate to be traded. If Dumars wants Roy for Prince, then what is he gonna want for Billups is what I'm saying. There is absolutely no way we could get Billups without giving up one of our Big 3.

 

[Minstrel]

I'd love Devin Harris, but I really can't see New Jersey moving him. But if they wanted to drop salary for the LeBron sweepstakes and they have a bad contract (I don't know if they do), then something like LaFrentz, Outlaw and either Bayless or Fernandez for Harris and a bad contract might, maybe tempt them. We could toss in a first round pick, too.

Dreaming. But might as well dream big. Harris/Roy/Aldridge/Oden is scary.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I agree Harris is intriguing, but I wouldn't want to trade Rudy anytime soon, and I'd still like to see if Bayless can blossom in the next year.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Huh? I never said Billups isn't a prime candidate to be traded. If Dumars wants Roy for Prince, then what is he gonna want for Billups is what I'm saying. There is absolutely no way we could get Billups without giving up one of our Big 3.

I understand your point. I just disagree I think Dumars asking price won't be as high for Billups, plus what we'd be giving him isn't exactly a bad deal. He'd be getting a ton of cap space a good young prospect/prospects (Travis, Sergio, Martel or Bayless) and possibly a draft pick. If they have a younger player that does the same things Billups is able to do why not trade him and get something back before his value drops. Again a lot depends on Stuckley and how the Pistons are playing around the trade deadline. Every year there are teams that drastically under perform and GM's who are looking to make changes. This year won't be any different.

 

[Natebishop3]

I know it's still early, but I would say Rudy is almost untouchable. How often does a player of his talent come along? I think he's going to be a star and I wouldn't want to trade him for an aging veteran like Billups.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I like Nash, and don't necessarily think he's untouchable.

I like Conley Jr, and the first thing I did in NBA 2K9 was trade Bayless and Diogu for Conley Jr and Memphis' 2010 #1.

I think Billups would be OK, but not stellar for us.

Hinrich is probably the best combination of "gettable" and "wantable" that I can find in the L. The problem for me is: Is he that much better than Blake? And unless you swap Blake as part of the deal, that's two similar point guards taking most of the minutes. Not good for people named Sergio or Jerryd.

I keep saying this...make a Godfather deal for LeBron that includes LMA. Use whatever assets are left to go after a PF like Brandon Bass. I dunno, like...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...22~5~5~5~14~14~14~5~5~6~5~6~22~6~22&te=&cash=

Let the ridiculousness begin!

 

[ebott]

Hello Mr Mustache,

If'n it hasn't be expressed, welcome to our family. We don't discriminate. Even against Hawaiians.

I think all of your ideas are bogus. Here's some TLAs that will be useful in my responses below.

NGH - Not going to happen. The other team views them as a cornerstone and will not trade them. At least not for anyone outside of the big 3.
NMBB- Not much better than Blake
RHB - Rather have Bayless
LTS - Lamer Than Sergio
TO - Too Old. By the time we (as the nascar folk are fond of saying) got our engines started they'd be puttering out.

Mo Williams - LMS
Baron Davis - NGH
Kirk Hinrich - NMBB
Steve Nash - TO
Chauncy Billups - TO
Raymond Felton - LMS
Jose Calderon - NGH
Jason Kidd - TO
Lou Williams (sp?) - RHB
Rondo - NGH
Jameer Nelson - NMBB
Derek Fisher - NMBB
Tony Parker - RHB
Devin Harris? - NGH

Any takers from that list?

no

 

[Crimson the Cat]

My pick would be Mike Conley. By packaging combinations of Lafrentz, Bayless, Sergio, Blake, Freeland, Webster, or Outlaw and involving a 3rd team, we could get this done ... if Memphis is willing to listen.

 

[Minstrel]

Hinrich is not much better than Blake? I don't agree with that. Hinrich is not a star, but he's an above average starter. Blake is well below average for a starter and is really backup quality. He'll start for Portland because so far Rodriguez has been even worse and Bayless is not ready to be a floor leader.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Hello Mr Mustache,

If'n it hasn't be expressed, welcome to our family. We don't discriminate. Even against Hawaiians.

I think all of your ideas are bogus. Here's some TLAs that will be useful in my responses below.

NGH - Not going to happen. The other team views them as a cornerstone and will not trade them. At least not for anyone outside of the big 3.
NMBB- Not much better than Blake
RHB - Rather have Bayless
LTS - Lamer Than Sergio
TO - Too Old. By the time we (as the nascar folk are fond of saying) got our engines started they'd be puttering out.





no

Tony Parker RHB????????????? Please tell me that was a mistake on your part.......

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I know it's still early, but I would say Rudy is almost untouchable. How often does a player of his talent come along? I think he's going to be a star and I wouldn't want to trade him for an aging veteran like Billups.

Maybe not an aging vet, but how about a player like Devin Harris?

I don't know if NJ would even consider, but if you have two potential star players that play the same position, do you trade one for a solid starter at another position?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Maybe not an aging vet, but how about a player like Devin Harris?

I don't know if NJ would even consider, but if you have two potential star players that play the same position, do you trade one for a solid starter at another position?

That's the same logic that led us to picking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in a sense.

 

[Minstrel]

That's the same logic that led us to picking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in a sense.

Except there, the Blazers took the lesser talent (even based on knowledge at the time) based on not wanting to create a logjam. The draft is different...your slot is your slot, and if you take a worse talent at that slot, there's no recouping that lost talent.

In trades, you can structure it to preserve talent. If you're trading the better player, you can have the other side add an extra player/pick/cash, whatever.

Trading to alleviate a logjam is perfectly reasonable. Devin Harris is the better proven talent and Fernandez is not likely to be superior (though it's within the realm of possibility). Trading a talented player for one who is equally talented or moreso and plays a position of more need is exactly what you want to do in trades.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Except there, the Blazers took the lesser talent (even based on knowledge at the time) based on not wanting to create a logjam. The draft is different...your slot is your slot, and if you take a worse talent at that slot, there's no recouping that lost talent.

In trades, you can structure it to preserve talent. If you're trading the better player, you can have the other side add an extra player/pick/cash, whatever.

Trading to alleviate a logjam is perfectly reasonable. Devin Harris is the better proven talent and Fernandez is not likely to be superior (though it's within the realm of possibility). Trading a talented player for one who is equally talented or moreso and plays a position of more need is exactly what you want to do in trades.

Trading Fernandez for Devin Harris at this point and time seems to me like it would be stupid. With all the love Portland fans seem to have for Rudy, and the excitement he brings, why even discuss moving him when theres about a 1% chance moving Rudy would actually happen?

KP and the other guys spent a lot of time talking Rudy into coming over, they wouldn't just ship him out so soon.

I also think Rudy has a great chance of becoming as good of a player as Devin Harris is.

 

[Minstrel]

Trading Fernandez for Devin Harris at this point and time seems to me like it would be stupid. With all the love Portland fans seem to have for Rudy, and the excitement he brings, why even discuss moving him when theres about a 1% chance moving Rudy would actually happen?

KP and the other guys spent a lot of time talking Rudy into coming over, they wouldn't just ship him out so soon.

I also think Rudy has a great chance of becoming as good of a player as Devin Harris is.

Well, the reason you would consider moving him is if you think you can an equal or better player at another position. I think Devin Harris is a superior talent, especially when one considers defense. He's also a highly talented prototypical point guard...something the team doesn't have.

If you don't think Harris is a better talent, then clearly we're not going to agree on the wisdom of moving Fernandez.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Well, the reason you would consider moving him is if you think you can an equal or better player at another position. I think Devin Harris is a superior talent, especially when one considers defense. He's also a highly talented prototypical point guard...something the team doesn't have.

If you don't think Harris is a better talent, then clearly we're not going to agree on the wisdom of moving Fernandez.

I thing I see Nets fans complain about dealing with Harris is his inefficiency in setting people up.

I agree based on what I have seen RIGHT NOW, Harris is a better player. But in the future, I don't see any reasons why Rudy can't be a better player than Harris.

 

[Nikolokolus]

With Rudy and Roy's passing ability, and the strong possibility that they may be capable of co-existing in the backcourt together I'd much rather see how that chemistry develops over the course of the coming year, and if Blake comes along to the point where he's more than just the sort of vanilla "Mr. Reliable" that he was last year then I'm not so sure there's much point in going out and addressing the point guard position. Expecting all-star or sub all-star players at every position is not only expensive it's completely unrealistic -- too many chiefs not enough indians.

We've got Oden, LMA, Roy and perhaps Fernandez, the main glaring weaknesses I see is the amount of untested youth on this team, not a talent deficiency.

It sure would be nice to actually get into the regular season and see how our existing roster plays together before people start bombarding the board with "who should we trade for" threads.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Or, uh, way better than Harris.

 

[MARIS61]

Sergio, and thank goodness we already have him.