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calvin natt said:
Worse? What was worse? Things have never been worse than right now. We have Covid and racism and no leadership and unemployment. Worse under Obama?
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He is talking about racism being worse. The rest is not part of the equation of the discussion. Of course Covid has made everything worse. That's a side step.


With that said, I do not believe racism was worse in 2016 than it is now. I think its about the same as it was before. The difference now is that the masses on both sides of the fence are out and about and vocal, instead of holding their views in. This has created a conflict that now makes it seem worse, but its always been there. Its just finally boiled over.

I dont think Trump has done a damn thing to help make things better or more peaceable in the states, but I do not buy that he has made us more racist. Its just the racist folk have now come out of the wood.s But they were there before Trump too.
 
ABM said:
I've always admired Morgan Freemen..born in the 30's, growing up very poor in the South. He overcame many obstacles.....including racism. I'm sure he is a hero to many.

Over the years, he's had a few things to say on the issue. There was this:

https://www.quora.com/Morgan-Freema...-black-man-and-white-man-Would-it-really-help

More recently, there was this...and I applaud the man for taking this approach from a leadership position. Thank you, Morgan!!

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/06/09/morgan-freeman-black-lives-matter-social-media-campaign/

I've posted this video in here before, so there's this side of him. You could say, sure, he's 1%er, living life large, and all that. But, remember, this is a man who overcame. Let me repeat...OVERCAME his obstacles, and has now succeeded far beyond what all of us in here could only imagine to accomplish.

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The Morgan Freeman's of the World are the exception(s) to the rule...
 
RR7 said:
Is there a point here? Is this showing systemic racism or the lack of? Or you just like posting videos of black people?
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Dude, I LOVE posting videos of Black people! We need to interconnect....and now!
 
You know. Maybe Trump was a good thing for race relations in this country. Look at how up front and a priority it is now. Would it have been this way with another president?

Don't take this the wrong way, but at some point it had to come to a head right? And usually the longer things simmer the harder they are to fix. So maybe this is all really for the best in the long run?
 
Orion Bailey said:
You know. Maybe Trump was a good thing for race relations in this country. Look at how up front and a priority it is now. Would it have been this way with another president?

Don't take this the wrong way, but at some point it had to come to a head right? And usually the longer things simmer the harder they are to fix. So maybe this is all really for the best in the long run?
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If there's even "really" a problem there that needs fixing.
 
ABM said:
I've always admired Morgan Freemen..born in the 30's, growing up very poor in the South. He overcame many obstacles.....including racism. I'm sure he is a hero to many.

Over the years, he's had a few things to say on the issue. There was this:

https://www.quora.com/Morgan-Freema...-black-man-and-white-man-Would-it-really-help

More recently, there was this...and I applaud the man for taking this approach from a leadership position. Thank you, Morgan!!

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/06/09/morgan-freeman-black-lives-matter-social-media-campaign/

I've posted this video in here before, so there's this side of him. You could say, sure, he's 1%er, living life large, and all that. But, remember, this is a man who overcame. Let me repeat...OVERCAME his obstacles, and has now succeeded far beyond what all of us in here could only imagine to accomplish.

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I greatly admire Morgan Freeman, and not to take anything away from him and everything he has genuinely earned, but celebrity and money helps soften many of the rough edges of racism. Three years ago I spent a very (too long from a hangover point of view) afternoon and evening at Ground Zero, Freeman’s juke joint in Clarksdale MS (You should visit if you already haven’t. Stay at The Lofts at The Five and Dime). The majority of the customers appeared to be either white tourists or white locals. The employees were a mix of black and white. It was easy to tell the tourists because they of the way they addressed the blacks. Everyone seemed to get along and cooperate in general but I was struck by how patronizing the local whites were to black people. The civility had all the depth of veneer. When I commented on it to the black bar maid (a really sweet kid who made a genuinely lethal Long Island Iced Tea) she just shrugged and said, “that’s just the way it is down here”. When I opined that that just wasn’t right, she shrugged again and gave me a very sad smile. And it made me wonder why a man of Morgan Freeman stature would allow his employees to be treated that way. At the end of the day all I could figure out was that all that mattered was the financial bottom line. Whatever, it made me feel very uncomfortable in my white skin.
 
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GoBlazersGo said:
The Morgan Freeman's of the World are the exception(s) to the rule...
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That's what they said about MLK. Another person to take the attitude of peace towards reform. His peaceful march gained national attention...and the rest is history. To me, the systemic part is more perception than anything else. Who's in charge of the system? Was Obama, the most powerful man in the world...and a Black man, no less, able to change this system? Seemingly, no. Wasn't it his battle cry from day-1? Hmmmm.....

When King led those folks to Selma, I'm sure many hearts were changed.....including plenty of white folk. Sure, he was able to get access to many top circles. But his approach was always anti-violence, anti-destruction. We need more Martin Luther Kings and Morgan Freemans in the world.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I greatly admire Morgan Freeman, and not to take anything away from him and everything he has genuinely earned, but celebrity and money helps soften many of the rough edges of racism. Three years ago I spent a very (too long from a hangover point of view) afternoon and evening at Ground Zero, Freeman’s juke joint in Clarksdale MS (You should visit if you already haven’t. Stay at The Lofts at The Five and Dime). The majority of the customers appeared to be either white tourists or white locals. The employees were a mix of black and white. It was easy to tell the tourists because they of the way they addressed the blacks. Everyone seemed to get along and cooperate in general but I was struck by how patronizing the local whites were to black people. The civility had all the depth of veneer. When I commented on it to the black bar maid (a really sweet kid who made a genuinely lethal Long Island Iced Tea) she just shrugged and said, “that’s just the way it is down here”. When I opined that that just wasn’t right, she shrugged again and gave me a very sad smile. And it made me wonder why a man of Morgan Freeman would allow his employees to be treated that way. At the end of the day all I could figure out was that all that mattered was the financial bottom line. Whatever, it made me feel very uncomfortable in my white skin.
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Thanks for sharing that. Indeed, I see some of that same ignorance. I won't even dignify that with a, "Bless their hearts."

My wife and I recently spent a couple of days in Tupelo, MS (Elvis' birthplace), an incredibly friendly town, and met this really cool old white guy that had a story for every occasion. He told us how much he admired Morgan and that they've hung out a few times. I'm not certain how close Clarksdale is from Tupelo, but next time we get down there (we love driving the Natchez Trace!) we'll be certain to check that town out....and, hopefully, Ground Zero! That old man told us that Clint Eastwood used to like dressing up in dirty farmer's clothes, hop in an old beat up pickup truck,then drive to visit Morgan (Clarksdale?). Apparently, they're close friends.
 
ABM said:
Now, before you go all ballistic on me...check out these two videos. They both make compelling arguments against this notion and are doing their best to bring another perspective. Definitely eye-opening to me.



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I'm going ballistic.
 
ABM said:
I've always admired Morgan Freemen..born in the 30's, growing up very poor in the South. He overcame many obstacles.....including racism. I'm sure he is a hero to many.

Over the years, he's had a few things to say on the issue. There was this:

https://www.quora.com/Morgan-Freema...-black-man-and-white-man-Would-it-really-help

More recently, there was this...and I applaud the man for taking this approach from a leadership position. Thank you, Morgan!!

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/06/09/morgan-freeman-black-lives-matter-social-media-campaign/

I've posted this video in here before, so there's this side of him. You could say, sure, he's 1%er, living life large, and all that. But, remember, this is a man who overcame. Let me repeat...OVERCAME his obstacles, and has now succeeded far beyond what all of us in here could only imagine to accomplish.

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Keep digging that ditch...
 
julius said:
I mean for gods sake, the argument that 'more white people' are shot by police than black people is the biggest red herring ever. Yes, it is technically correct that more white people are shot by the police, but it's skewing the facts.

In 2020, about 172 white people have been shot by the police, and 88 black people have been shot by the police. So obviously that means racism is dead, because you know, more white people are shot than black people.

But using that argument fails to take into account the FACT that there are about 5x more white people, than there are black people.

So the #'s should be something like 88 black people and 440 white people being shot. But that's not the case. And it's *never* been the case.
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Duh. Is there anyone who doesn't get this?
 
Notice that most of my threads end in a question?

Love it.
 
riverman said:
systemic racism isn't exclusive to black people in this country...Hispanics, Muslims, Native Americans and Asians experience it too...Asians especially now...this IS a dumb converwsation and not one white people should promote in my view. What is going on in America is important concerning racism and brutality....watering it down to assuage white guilt is not a good look....dumb thread
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My Asian wife gets very little racism displayed toward her. The doctors, nurses and technicians at the VA hospital love her to pieces. Our Mormon next door neighbors think she's the best and I have to agree. I once smacked a guy good and hard who mouthed off to her. He apologized immediately because he knew I meant business even though he was substantially bigger. I would have wiped the floor with his ass had he not apologized.
 
Lanny said:
Obviously neither did Julius.
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I was referencing the first video, which the guy explicitly mentioned the # of blacks shot by cops vs whites shot by cops. So yeah, I did watch it. Since you know, that's what i was referencing.
 
crandc said:
Candace Owens? The woman who said Hitler was making Germany great again?

ABM found the only two African American Trump supporters in the country and decided racism doesn't exist. Maybe check in with the other 99.9 percent?

And how do you explain racial gaps in prenatal care, early childhood education, schools, housing, environmental pollution, enployment, wages, total wealth, health care, political representation, representation in other positions of power, police violence, life expectancy? Just plain inferior?
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This is the crandc that I'm proud of.
 
julius said:
I was referencing the first video, which the guy explicitly mentioned the # of blacks shot by cops vs whites shot by cops. So yeah, I did watch it. Since you know, that's what i was referencing.
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And, thanks again for the corrective no response, following, Mr. Global Moderator.
 
julius said:
I was referencing the first video, which the guy explicitly mentioned the # of blacks shot by cops vs whites shot by cops. So yeah, I did watch it. Since you know, that's what i was referencing.
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I knew this.
My remark was a dig at ABM.
 
ABM said:
Notice that most of my threads end in a question?

Love it.
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you said yourself you were looking for someone else to give an answer and you'd follow them.....might want to meditate on that and also avoid guys named Jim Jones with purple kool aid stands....asking question is as you know....the salesman's bible for manipulating a sales pitch.
Q "How many bathrooms does that house have?"
A "How many do you need?"
 
Lanny said:
I knew this.
My remark was a dig at ABM.
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Lanny, sorry, but you're like a fly on my shoulder sometimes. I luvs ya, anyways.

Besides, check out the new BLM Party thread. That's the next feature.
 
riverman said:
you said yourself you were looking for someone else to give an answer and you'd follow them.....might want to meditate on that and also avoid guys named Jim Jones with purple kool aid stands....asking question is as you know....the salesman's bible for manipulating a sales pitch.
Q "How many bathrooms does that house have?"
A "How many do you need?"
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Well, I ain't followin' you., that's for sure.
 
ABM said:
Well, I ain't followin' you., that's for sure.
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I've got the answers you seek.....riverman life coaching university...35k....24 class syllabus and a diploma and t shirt upon graduation....you know you want it!
 
riverman said:
I've got the answers you seek.....riverman life coaching university...35k....24 class syllabus and a diploma and t shirt upon graduation....you know you want it!
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Heh, maybe. You make me laugh...in a good way. :)
 
ABM said:
And, thanks again for the corrective no response, following, Mr. Global Moderator.
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what was I supposed to correct?

I guess I should've corrected it that for every 6 white people in the country, there is 1 black person, whereas I said 5-1.

It is not my fault you fail to grasp simple math there, and that it both of their arguments were so full of fallacies. Why is it that you seem to be the only one (or one of two people) who find what you're saying to be truthful?

Please explain that to the rest of us.

You either knew exactly what you were doing with this post (and it's subject) or you're woefully ignorant of the subject at hand. Neither one of these is really something i'd be bragging about if i were you.


Also, I'm not sure why you think italicizing my title really makes some grand sweeping point here. You used as a point of reference, a woman who is not well respected among the majority of black people, and also has basically defended Hitler.

It's like you think you're pulling some "gotcha" or "ah ha! see? Black people agree with me" moment here, vindicating your beliefs on race etc.

Honestly, ask some of your black friends about Candace Owens and also ask them if they think systemic racism is an issue anymore. And then report back to us.
 
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