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e_blazer said:
Not explicitly, perhaps, but the calls for defunding the police seem to imply that the perception is that institutional racism among the police is THE major source of the problem. A major problem, yes. THE problem, no.
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I think institutional racism among the police is THE problem when it comes to police disproportionately brutalizing people of color, which is where these protests began. I don't think the "defund" people have even implied that police reform fixes everything about racism or conflict in communities, minority or otherwise. Police brutality sparked the protests and the first point of anger was police brutality aimed disproportionately at black people, and other people of color. The second impulse was "how do we ratchet down the violence in general" and that's what led to the defund movement. And the defund movement doesn't put all the blame on police--the idea behind defund is exactly what you're saying: the problems of violence in communities are greater than just systemic racism and corruption within the police departments. We put too much on police, requiring them to address issues they're not trained for and we use police as a solution after the fact, rather than addressing underlying problems.
 
ABM said:
Not a global mandate.
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what nationalistic bubble are you looking at racial profiling through anyway? what you and maris use to justify racism is actually classism and yes...minorities live in ghettos...all over the world...not just here...nationalistic sabre rattling has nothing to do with racism and addressing the disenfranchised among us....Would you have this conversation with a black person? Yeah...didn't think so..
 
julius said:
Are you unaware of who enacted the civil rights act?
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No, I'm not. Nonetheless, his messages/movements stemmed from those of peace. I'm all about giving peace a chance. Not destruction and the like.
 
ABM said:
I do understand the up/down of it. How do you mandate, though? I think real progress will come from the ground up. Look at MLK. Was he out there mandating stuff?
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He couldn't "mandate" stuff--he wasn't in charge. Was he demanding government action? Yes. He was a huge proponent of the Civil Rights Act and it would never have happened without his constant pushing for it and driving up support for it. Martin Luther King Jr. was a tireless advocate of government's role in protecting vulnerable minorities and a great example of how to use advocacy to push for top-down change.
 
ABM said:
No, I'm not. Nonetheless, his messages/movements stemmed from those of peace. I'm all about giving peace a chance. Not destruction and the like.
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Can't tell if you honestly don't know who enacted the civil rights act, or if you're trying to make some grand point that failed to land.
 
riverman said:
what nationalistic bubble are you looking at racial profiling through anyway? what you and maris use to justify racism is actually classism and yes...minorities live in ghettos...all over the world...not just here...nationalistic sabre rattling has nothing to do with racism and addressing the disenfranchised among us....Would you have this conversation with a black person? Yeah...didn't think so..
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You have no idea how many Black friends I have. Oh, and yes, I have.
 
MARIS61 said:
Fake figures.
Members of one group commit violent crimes at a rate 6 times the number of the other group, yet you leave this out because facts don't support your propaganda.

2900 people in one group were murdered in 2018.

2600 of them were murdered by members of that same group.

300 of them were murdered by members of other groups.

Thousands of people from all groups were saved by police from murder by people from all groups.
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Orion Bailey said:
I think the reason is because it something that can be changed completely. I think its at the spearpoint because its something tangible that people can see and witness.
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I think that easy changes are seldom right changes. The devil is going to be in the details with respect to "defunding" proposals.
 
ABM said:
You have no idea how many Black friends I have. Oh, and yes, I have.
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I have a pretty good idea you don't breach this subject with them.....would you tell Damian Lillard what you feel about racial profiling? I know Maris wouldn't
 
Minstrel said:
He couldn't "mandate" stuff--he wasn't in charge. Was he demanding government action? Yes. He was a huge proponent of the Civil Rights Act and it would never have happened without his constant pushing for it and driving up support for it. Martin Luther King Jr. was a tireless advocate of government's role in protecting vulnerable minorities and a great example of how to use advocacy to push for top-down change.
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As stated elsewhere, I'm all about the peace aspect. Even George Floyd's brother pleaded for that.

Martin Luther King Jr. was a Minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I loved that man.
 
ABM said:
Martin Luther King Jr. was a Minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I loved that man.
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as a Christian did you love the white man who killed him too? I promise you MLK would take you to task for this thread if he were alive to do it....the vast majority of African americans would as they should
 
julius said:
I hope if you do, you don't talk to them about how there's no systemic racism, or some of the other sillier race related topics you espouse.
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Great, then you lemme know who's in charge of the system, and I'll let them know my thoughts. I guess we start with the last handful of Presidents. They've all had their stabs at this.
 
If there is no law saying oppressing people is bad or illegal, those who oppress have no reason to change. Just because a portion of your society/city opposes it and is trying to do things "grassroots" style, doesn't give them enough incentive to change their ways.

I.e., it wasn't until the government said "you have to allow those black children into your schools" that the schools all the sudden were like "oh, hey, that sounds like a good idea".
 
e_blazer said:
I think that easy changes are seldom right changes. The devil is going to be in the details with respect to "defunding" proposals.
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I don't disagree, however defunding is still vague. It differs from state to state as to the meaning and implementation of what they want.

Its very fuzzy right now. So i'm not sure with that fuzziness, we can properly judge defunding as being good or bad.

It all depends on what will happen in the defunding process. Where is the money going?

I do think that it is a great start, but if not fully followed through with, the devils will indeed pop up.
 
ABM said:
Great, then you lemme know who's in charge of the system, and I'll let them know my thoughts. I guess we start with the last handful of Presidents. They've all had their stabs at this.
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you really need to learn about logical fallacies, or at least learn to stop using them.
 
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ABM said:
No, I'm not. Nonetheless, his messages/movements stemmed from those of peace. I'm all about giving peace a chance. Not destruction and the like.
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Jesus destroyed the temple of the money lenders I believe? Do you take him to task for being proactive too?
 
julius said:
you really need to learn about logical fallacies, or at least learn to stop using them.
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“Show me a John Racism so I can speak to his manager and fix this!” Is a perfect example of how systemic racism has protected itself by creating the illusion that racism is just racists doing hard-r’s and owning slaves, instead of writing laws and loopholes hundreds of years ago that calcify into behaviors and attitudes that become the very structures of society; if you’re benefitting from these structures, it’s very easy to point at racists and say “I agree these people are bad and wrong because that’s all racism is” and then not really pay attention to how much easier it is for you to get a house or a job or a car or or or...
 
julius said:
you really need to learn about logical fallacies, or at least learn to stop using them.
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Great, then you figure out how to end this so-called systemic racism and I'll be following right behind you.
 
SportsAndWhine said:
“Show me a John Racism so I can speak to his manager and fix this!” Is a perfect example of how systemic racism has protected itself by creating the illusion that racism is just racists doing hard-r’s and owning slaves, instead of writing laws and loopholes hundreds of years ago that calcify into behaviors and attitudes that become the very structures of society; if you’re benefitting from these structures, it’s very easy to point at racists and say “I agree these people are bad and wrong because that’s all racism is” and then not really pay attention to how much easier it is for you to get a house or a job or a car or or or...
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Jon Stewart was on A Late show last night, and talked about how it was written into the rules for banks, that the loans that banks were giving out were NOT to be given to black people. And that also, many of the whites who did get loans ended up creating generational wealth BECAUSE of those loans.

So anyone who thinks we all are given the same chances is delusional.
 
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