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JFizzleRaider said:
And that's the thing. I'm white, but I'm mostly Irish and 1/8 native American. I've been raised and have had many discussions with people that explain stories of my relatives being treated like shit. but when someone sees me now and we have this discussion, they shame the shit out of me for not knowing what this feels like. I agree, myday to day life is unaffected by racial things, but it doesn't mean it hasn't affected my family
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That's the part that I don't understand. I was raised to be proud of my heritage, but it had nothing to do with being white. My grandfather is 100% Norwegian. I was raised to be proud of that. My dad has a bunch of different ties, with some French, English, Irish, and German. I think it's cool to look into your family tree and find out about your roots. I think it's totally fine to be proud of your ancestry. What I can't really fathom is being proud of being white, or black for that matter. It's just a physical feature. You being white doesn't reflect on your Native American heritage. People just assume because you're white that you fit into that one category. It's silly.
 
dviss1 said:
MarAzul will come up with an excuse as to why this wasn't racist though in 3...2...1....
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Ok, here it is.

One half of what I see is one young Black fellow out to resist the police. Probably a set up with the minor infraction just to provoke the confrontation. Although Al Sharpton is out of view.
The other half is, the police following their training. insisting their commands be followed. The force escalates as the commands are not followed.

I don't know what to do for the Kid, other than his father should have taught him to not fuck with the police, bad things will happen. But then, I don't know, maybe dad did his duty and Al Sharpton lead the kid astray.

As far as the police are concerned, I do not like the training they receive. I recall some years ago when the police in some city, shot a mentally disabled man. The explanation was, the man did not follow lawful commands issued by the police and the police are correct to insist that their commands be followed. But then on the other hand, in another city, a bear was running loose in the city. The police did not issue some bull shit command to the the bear, no, their pulled out the dart gun and tranquilized the bear and took him where he belonged.

Now, issuing commands and expecting rational behavior in response from and irrational person is very irrational. Or piss poor training.

I have long thought that the police policy and training (all over this country) should be on a multilevel approach with that hard ass level be the last resort. Yes it might take a different sort of cop and it sure would require different training.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
This is a bad analogy. This is assuming that the house next door is not on fire at all, and that is not the case. Law enforcement is a concern all over the country. When someone says, "all lives matter," they are essentially saying that their house is on fire too. Why should one house burning be more important or significant than another house burning?
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Your house isn't on fire. A white male isn't killed by police/vigilantes every 28 hours.
 
MarAzul said:
Ok, here it is.

One half of what I see is one young Black fellow out to resist the police. Probably a set up with the minor infraction just to provoke the confrontation. Although Al Sharpton is out of view.
The other half is, the police following their training. insisting their commands be followed. The force escalates as the commands are not followed.

I don't know what to do for the Kid, other than his father should have taught him to not fuck with the police, bad things will happen. But then, I don't know, maybe dad did his duty and Al Sharpton lead the kid astray.

As far as the police are concerned, I do not like the training they receive. I recall some years ago when the police in some city, shot a mentally disabled man. The explanation was, the man did not follow lawful commands issued by the police and the police are correct to insist that their commands be followed. But then on the other hand, in another city, a bear was running loose in the city. The police did not issue some bull shit command to the the bear, no, their pulled out the dart gun and tranquilized the bear and took him where he belonged.

Now, issuing commands and expecting rational behavior in response from and irrational person is very irrational. Or piss poor training.

I have long thought that the police policy and training (all over this country) should be on a multilevel approach with that hard ass level be the last resort. Yes it might take a different sort of cop and it sure would require different training.
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I find it funny that those who are against government control think the Police are OK in exhibiting that control.

 
^^^^^ this has NOTHING to do with police training...
 
More shit MarAzul would NEVER have to deal with...

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/ar...lderly-man-for-walking-in-seattle-while-black

On July 9, 2014, a brilliant summer day, William Wingate was walking through Capitol Hill.

The 70-year-old Air Force veteran and retired King County Metro bus driver had a daily habit of walking and using a golf club like a cane, according to his attorney, Susan Mindenbergs. He typically walked from Northgate to the Central District, where he would pick up copies of the Facts newspaper.

But at about 1 p.m., shortly after Seattle police officer Cynthia Whitlatch turned the corner past The Stranger's offices, she pulled over her patrol car, got out, and yelled at Wingate to drop his golf club.

The incident was caught on her vehicle's dash-cam video recording system and obtained byThe Stranger through a public records request. Their interaction begins at the 1:40 mark:

 
dviss1 said:
Sigh... Your perspective is the "All lives matter" version. I'm just telling you how it sounds. Nobody is making your perspective invalid...
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Okay dude, you have seriously crossed the line with @riverman

So are you saying just because he's white and experienced police brutality, it's not the same as a black man and police brutality?

So you remember watching the white teenage boy that flashed his brights at a cop that had his brights on get shot and killed by the cop? So that's okay because he wasn't black?
 
dviss1 said:
OK guys in the future DON'T FUCKING TALK ABOUT RACE IF YOU DON'T WANT THE SOLE BLACK PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE.

I'm done debating race with White males...
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I know a lot of black friends that would be shaking their heads at your ignorance
 
Natebishop3 said:
What I find annoying is to be constantly identified as a "white male," to have my thoughts and opinions to be processed under the label "white man's opinion." When you type something on this forum, I don't sit back and think "Dviss is a black male so I must consider this opinion through the lens of a black male." I read your opinion, I process your opinion on its own merits, and then I reply to said opinion. I don't care if you're black, or white, or Asian, or Mexican, or whatever. Your opinion is what it is. The beauty of the internet is that we don't have to tell people anything about ourselves. We present our opinions in text format and you can either agree or disagree. I actually don't think about race at all when I'm reading someone's post. Mags is Asian. Wheels is Mexican. El Pres is some weird mixture of a frat boy and a wannabe gangster (but also Asian.) I don't sit back and consider that every time I read their posts. I either think it was a good post, or a bad post. I either agree, or I disagree. There shouldn't be qualifiers to have an opinion.
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Very well said....
 
magnifier661 said:
I know a lot of black friends that would be shaking their heads at your ignorance
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If I said something like that but said black males, I'd be crucified and called a racist.

But I wouldn't say that because I do value everyone's opinion. Ignorant or not
 
dviss1 said:
More shit MarAzul would NEVER have to deal with
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Well you never know and you are even less likely.

About two years ago, a sheriff deputy pulled me over. She said I wasn't wearing my seat belt. Shit, I had it on as she spoke. I just thumbed it an looked at her. Then she ordered me to stay there while she went back to here car. Holy hell. the damn girl was there at least 20 minutes doing what, I do not know. She comes back and asks for my proof of insurance. I am driving my wifes car
I do not know exactly where it is, but I start looking through the clove box. I left my glasses home and I can not read without them, can see fine out about 4 feet or more to drive but not reading.
So I find an insurance card and hand it to her. 2011! So I look some more, find 3 or 4 more and hand them to her. She hands them back and asks for the current proof. I said well would you please
help me, I can't read without my glasses which I do not have with me. She says, no, providing proof of insurance is my responsibility. She writes me a ticket and I must go to court for this infraction by state law.

So I go to court, I prove to the judge that I had insurance and asked the judge to admonish this inconsiderate deputy and not to waste the courts time again. Her lack of understanding was wasting everyone's time including hers. By the time I was done with her, all the cops waiting their turn in the front row were snickering and chortling at this young lady deputies discomfort. I enjoyed it,
considered it my Privilege to educate the rookie.
 
dviss1 said:
Your house isn't on fire. A white male isn't killed by police/vigilantes every 28 hours.
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By your math, there are 312 black people killed by police per year (not sure how accurate that number is.) There were around 1100 people killed by police in 2014, and they estimate there will be around that same number for 2015.

The census states that there was 45 million blacks in the United States in 2013. There's roughly 319 million people total in the United States. There are a ton of people in this country. That 312 people doesn't even constitute one tenth of a percent of the total black population in America.
 
dviss1 said:
It's never been "all good". Look at the fucking name of the thread...
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Obviously... You think if a black man dies by a cop, it's travesty. When a white man dies by a cop, it's probably because that white man was a criminal and not important.
 
dviss1 said:
Your statement, while said with sarcasm, still holds true.
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I said it not sarcastically, but specifically because you've said the exact same to me, and since you had bowed out of the discussion, I was attempting to fill your void.

Basically, I don't agree with it, but I'm well aware that you do, so I was trying to acknowledge your opinion.
 
magnifier661 said:
Obviously... You think if a black man dies by a cop, it's travesty. When a white man dies by a cop, it's probably because that white man was a criminal and not important.
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No one ever said that or insinuated that but go right ahead and assume... Violence is wrong no matter who commits it.
 
dviss1 said:
No one ever said that or insinuated that but go right ahead and assume... Violence is wrong no matter who commits it.
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Violence is not wrong if it's warranted. If someone breaks into your house, and you feel like your life or your families life is threatened, you are well within your rights to shoot that person. If a guy walks out of a bank and shoots at police, should he not be shot?
 
I just posted these comedy skits to show some perspective...I think comedy is the best way to accentuate social issues..tell me you don't laugh at these
 
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