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Department of Transportation is spending $2 million of taxpayer money to find out if DEI makes planes crash
 
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crandc said:
Department of Transportation is spending $2 million of taxpayer money to find out if FEI makes planes crash
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Can you use an electron microscope to crash a plane?

barfo
 
Phatguysrule said:
How do you lose power to both engines? Doesn't seem like that should be possible...
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Complete power failure?

Two birds, one stone?

Though doesn't seem like it was birds. There none in the video. The engines weren't smoking or anything.

The plane was just gliding aloft as it lost altitude.

You would think it it was power failure due to a system failure there would be some auxiliary system that would kick in.

Idk.

The pilots were veterans. Years of experience and hours upon hours flying planes. It had to have been a mass failure in the planes systems.

Was kind of surprised they were able to get a mayday off in such a short time.
 
Chris Craig said:
Complete power failure? Two birds, one stone?
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The engines should be completely separate from each other. Separate fuel lines, separate shut offs... It should be impossible for them both to fail at the same time without being actively disabled.

*Edit* To clarify, I don't know if that's the case on these jets, but it just seems like common sense.

The additional weight for having completely separate systems would have no impact on performance, and any added complexity could be easily mitigated.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The engines should be completely separate from each other. Separate fuel lines, separate shut offs... It should be impossible for them both to fail at the same time without being actively disabled.

*Edit* To clarify, I don't know if that's the case on these jets, but it just seems like common sense.

The additional weight for having completely separate systems would have no impact on performance, and any added complexity could be easily mitigated.
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The engines are designed with independent systems. Both failing is extremely rare. Like I said there are also auxillary systems to back those up.

When they do both fail, we would see the plane gliding like in the video till it loses complete altitude and crashes.

Generally, there would have to be a mass mechanical system failure, a lack of fuel, icing issues, or one engine dying and causing the other one to overwork and go out, or birds.

We saw duel engine failure with the Hudson incident.
 
A guy survived Air India. He said there was a loud noise, then the plane crashed.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Holy shit. Could you imagine surviving that?

A loud noise like an explosion? Or did the controls break?
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I couldn't imagine. And he just got up and walked out of the whatever of the plane was left.

He didn't specify. Just said there was a loud noise and then they crashed.

In the video it doesn't appear the plane explodes until they hit, but it's hard to see. Could have been an explosion. Looked like the engines were already out as they glided.
 
British man is only passenger to survive India plane crash

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Vishwashkumar Ramesh was in seat 11A on the London-bound Boeing 787-8 flight when it crashed shortly after take off in Ahmedabad, western India.

Mr Ramesh's brother, Nayan Kumar Ramesh, said he has "no idea" how he escaped the plane as the only survivor.
 
The investigation into the Air India crash is focusing on the engines, flaps, and why the landing gear came back down after takeoff. They are also looking into the possibility of a terrorist element.
 
Chris Craig said:
The investigation into the Air India crash is focusing on the engines, flaps, and why the landing gear came back down after takeoff. They are also looking into the possibility of a terrorist element.
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Lee Harvey Oswald did it.

barfo
 
The flaps appear to have been in the wrong position on takeoff according to the video.
 
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