Blake Griffin or Kevin Love

[hoopsjock]

Wow really? Who told you that? That fucking owner should look at the reality and give us blake for a fair package haha

There are several other teams that are in the same boat like Washington. For a long time Memphis was like that too but trading Gasol this season signified a change.

 

[Labinot41]

I know someone with inside information. A lot of owners are like that though. Paul Allen was too.

Man i dont care if blake is injury prone or not, i want him on the Blazers, not only would he be a huge huge huge Upgrade over Aminu, Dame and CJ could play off ball so many times, he is exactly the type of player the Blazers need, a playmaker with great post skills, solid playmaking and passing. If there is any chance Neil has to try everything. I'm sick and tired of Aminu and Harkless

 

[hoopsjock]

Man i dont care if blake is injury prone or not, i want him on the Blazers, not only would he be a huge huge huge Upgrade over Aminu, Dame and CJ could play off ball so many times, he is exactly the type of player the Blazers need, a playmaker with great post skills, solid playmaking and passing. If there is any chance Neil has to try everything. I'm sick and tired of Aminu and Harkless

This is just a guess because I have no info to back this up but I'd put money on Griffin being the player that Olshey said he thought he had a deal for that would've added significant salary. He said going into the deadline day it had a 50% chance of happening but the other team decided not to trade him.

I think that was Detroit's GM wanting to make the trade and the owner said no.

 

[B-Roy]

Zach will never ever be as good as a 30 year old Blake Griffin. If he was the centerpiece and Detroit wanted him, bye Zach.

Yes yes, injury risk, contract w/e. But no risk, no reward. Griffin is a high upside move that, if all the pieces fell into place, would mean championship...

 

[Labinot41]

This is just a guess because I have no info to back this up but I'd put money on Griffin being the player that Olshey said he thought he had a deal for that would've added significant salary. He said going into the deadline day it had a 50% chance of happening but the other team decided not to trade him.

I think that was Detroit's GM wanting to make the trade and the owner said no.

That Interview was with jaynes right?? Shit now that you mention it, i remember, and Neil said Jodi Allen was okay with adding a bunch of salary, and hopefully she's now a lot "more okay" with adding salary after the Playoffs, i also guess it was Blake. It would make a lot of sense, a player on a Position with need, a huge contract, a former Neil guy, it all makes sense. Neil has to try it again if it really was Blake

 

[hoopsjock]

That Interview was with jaynes right?? Shit now that you mention it, i remember, and Neil said Jodi Allen was okay with adding a bunch of salary, and hopefully she's now a lot "more okay" with adding salary after the Playoffs, i also guess it was Blake. It would make a lot of sense, a player on a Position with need, a huge contract, a former Neil guy, it all makes sense. Neil has to try it again if it really was Blake

I'm sure he will try again. The question becomes if Detroit's owner has changed his mind since then.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Can anyone think of a realistic way to sign and trade for Jimmy Butler?

CJ straight across? I’d assume we’d only do that if we brought in another top flight guard via previous trade. Let’s say Jrue Holiday (traded for ET, Moe, and Picks?).

 

[BonesJones]

CJ straight across? I’d assume we’d only do that if we brought in another top flight guard via previous trade. Let’s say Jrue Holiday (traded for ET, Moe, and Picks?).

Yeah, something like that.

 

[BonesJones]

Man i dont care if blake is injury prone or not, i want him on the Blazers, not only would he be a huge huge huge Upgrade over Aminu, Dame and CJ could play off ball so many times, he is exactly the type of player the Blazers need, a playmaker with great post skills, solid playmaking and passing. If there is any chance Neil has to try everything. I'm sick and tired of Aminu and Harkless

And he can shoot and space the floor.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Zach will never ever be as good as a 30 year old Blake Griffin. If he was the centerpiece and Detroit wanted him, bye Zach.

Yes yes, injury risk, contract w/e. But no risk, no reward. Griffin is a high upside move that, if all the pieces fell into place, would mean championship...

There are good reasons not to trade for Griffin. Collins is not on the list. The guy has yet to prove he is even a starter, let alone an untradable star.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Lot of shitting on Zach lol I’d be real hesitant to trade Zach. He’s already a good defender, he has good footwork offensively... only two things he needs now is shooting touch and strength, considering he is 21, those things will happen.

 

[wizenheimer]

This is just a guess because I have no info to back this up but I'd put money on Griffin being the player that Olshey said he thought he had a deal for that would've added significant salary. He said going into the deadline day it had a 50% chance of happening but the other team decided not to trade him.

I think that was Detroit's GM wanting to make the trade and the owner said no.

I remember Olshey saying that and my thought was he was omitting plenty of context

he was omitting that the Blazers would be sending out just about as much "significant salary". To get BG they would have had to send out right around 26M. That would have been Turner + Meyers/Harkless. Turner + Aminu wouldn't have been enough.

Turner + Aminu for Kevin Love would have been enough

But neither of those deals would have generated any interest from the other team unless the Blazers included a hell of a lot more

I also think the "50%" number was just pure spin. I can't imagine Olshey ever offering enough to get those kinds of players. He always seems to low-ball those kinds of trades..by a lot...and yeah, that's conjecture

 

[oldmangrouch]

I remember Olshey saying that and my thought was he was omitting plenty of context

he was omitting that the Blazers would be sending out just about as much "significant salary". To get BG they would have had to send out right around 26M. That would have been Turner + Meyers/Harkless. Turner + Aminu wouldn't have been enough.

Turner + Aminu for Kevin Love would have been enough

But neither of those deals would have generated any interest from the other team unless the Blazers included a hell of a lot more

I also think the "50%" number was just pure spin. I can't imagine Olshey ever offering enough to get those kinds of players. He always seems to low-ball those kinds of trades..by a lot...and yeah, that's conjecture

All Olshey statements about trades and such need to be discounted by at least 50%. He missed his calling as a used car salesman.

 

[Hoopguru]

There are good reasons not to trade for Griffin. Collins is not on the list. The guy has yet to prove he is even a starter, let alone an untradable star.

years back I remember some of the same trade conversations about JONeil.
We had BG & RW. JO was just out of HS year younger than Zach when we got him.
Anyway we package JO for Dale Davis I believe not know he would even become a starter.

 

[oldmangrouch]

years back I remember some of the same trade conversations about JONeil.
We had BG & RW. JO was just out of HS year younger than Zach when we got him.
Anyway we package JO for Dale Davis I believe not know he would even become a starter.

FWIW, there were rumors at the time that doubts about JO had more to do with attitude than talent. Collins seems more like a hard worker with a good motor who just isn't anything special as a player.

Then again, I'm of the school of thought that no player should be deemed untouchable for the right offer.

 

[hoopsjock]

I remember Olshey saying that and my thought was he was omitting plenty of context

he was omitting that the Blazers would be sending out just about as much "significant salary". To get BG they would have had to send out right around 26M. That would have been Turner + Meyers/Harkless. Turner + Aminu wouldn't have been enough.

Turner + Aminu for Kevin Love would have been enough

But neither of those deals would have generated any interest from the other team unless the Blazers included a hell of a lot more

I also think the "50%" number was just pure spin. I can't imagine Olshey ever offering enough to get those kinds of players. He always seems to low-ball those kinds of trades..by a lot...and yeah, that's conjecture

Of course you don't believe him. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't but I already know this was your answer.

I think at the time ET/Aminu/Collins worked. That would've added a decent amount to the payroll. Depending on what they thought of Collins and picks getting an expiring contract and only one more year of ET would've saved them some money this summer too. It's not really that far-fetched.

The Cavs one doesn't make much sense after we just traded them for Hood as it could've been part of a bigger trade.

 

[hoopsjock]

CJ straight across? I’d assume we’d only do that if we brought in another top flight guard via previous trade. Let’s say Jrue Holiday (traded for ET, Moe, and Picks?).

Man, a starting lineup of Dame, Jrue, Butler, Collins, and Nurk????????

Fuck that sounds nice. Find a way to keep Hood and Kanter off the bench and that is a contender.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Lot of shitting on Zach lol I’d be real hesitant to trade Zach. He’s already a good defender, he has good footwork offensively... only two things he needs now is shooting touch and strength, considering he is 21, those things will happen.

Your saying we should take the wait and see approach, develop more if you will? We've been down that road so many times already. Do Dame and CJ really have time for that?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Lot of shitting on Zach lol I’d be real hesitant to trade Zach. He’s already a good defender, he has good footwork offensively... only two things he needs now is shooting touch and strength, considering he is 21, those things will happen.

Just a matter of priorities. Dame is in his prime and needs a better supporting cast NOW. Patience might benefit Collins - but not the team.

Think of it this way - would you trade Dame or Nurk for the chance to draft Zion Williams? Would you risk the future on an unproven, blue-chip prospect? If not, why would you sacrifice the present and risk the future on a much lesser prospect like Collins?

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Your saying we should take the wait and see approach, develop more if you will? We've been down that road so many times already. Do Dame and CJ really have time for that?

I think Zach will be ready for big minutes NEXT season, we certainly have time for that.

 

[BonesJones]

Tobias Harris.

 

[Portland2014]

Lot of shitting on Zach lol I’d be real hesitant to trade Zach. He’s already a good defender, he has good footwork offensively... only two things he needs now is shooting touch and strength, considering he is 21, those things will happen.

strenght for sure, but shooting touch? can you develop shooting touch? i don't think so, you either have it or not

 

[illmatic99]

“We just have to continue to improve with the guys we have,” Lillard told Yahoo Sports. “And then if it presents itself where we can get some guys in that can maybe take us to the next level, then look at that. I think that’s all we can do.”

 

[GhostOfPGA]

strenght for sure, but shooting touch? can you develop shooting touch? i don't think so, you either have it or not

Yeah around the basket you definitely can, look at all the players that develop hooks/floaters.

 

[twobullz]

Zach need to figure out how to hold on to the ball. Seemed like about every game he would bring the ball down low and a defender would come from behind and swipe it from him.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/5/...rail-blazers-trades-2019-free-agency-playoffs

The Trade that Could Move the Trail Blazers Forward in 2019-20

Portland has a one-time opportunity in 2019-20. How hard should they pursue it?

 

[Labinot41]

“We just have to continue to improve with the guys we have,” Lillard told Yahoo Sports. “And then if it presents itself where we can get some guys in that can maybe take us to the next level, then look at that. I think that’s all we can do.”

Man that sounds like a boring ass Offseason for us

 

[Pinwheel1]

https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/5/...rail-blazers-trades-2019-free-agency-playoffs

The Trade that Could Move the Trail Blazers Forward in 2019-20

Portland has a one-time opportunity in 2019-20. How hard should they pursue it?

Hopefully we do not have to wait util February, but like this article states:

"The right move may not be available in the summer. Portland may have to wait until December or January for potential trade partners to figure out they need to part ways with their former Super-Expensive Signing"

 

[BigGameDamian]

Yeah around the basket you definitely can, look at all the players that develop hooks/floaters.

The goal is to win a championship not developing young players. If you can put together a good package involving Zack for Blake you do it. The core guys aren't getting any younger.

 

[Labinot41]