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I do love those outlet passes he throws, oh man him and Jake Layman could be really fun to watch. They'd give up like 140ppg but it would be fun to watch lol.

I’m just thinking of when teams trap Lillard. That shit wouldnt work with Love around because he’d either take a wide open three, or be the playmaker in a 4 on 3 situation. Having Nurk around will help too, but hes not that much of a threat to shoot.
 
Yes, now his crappy contracts are expiring. He's had assets though. He had a 4-year tenure here before that summer and his crowning achievement was Aaron Afflalo...

In 8-years, Olshey hasn't acquired anything more than an (at the time) role player. Yet we keep hearing how many times hes "close" or "active" in pursuing big names. But somehow his terrible contracts become the excuse for his inability to convert the last 8 years.

Bullshit bones.

Lopez was a good get.

Also olshey didnt luck into Kanter. He built that relationship when he helped him get paid in okc.

And ill go on record as agreeing with some others. You dismiss good moves and fault the bad.
You may not think you do, but your posts certainly read that way. If that is not the intent then it isn't the same few readers, its most.

NO deserves credit for kanter and you say he lucked into him. That invalidates everything else you say in that post.
 
I do love those outlet passes he throws, oh man him and Jake Layman could be really fun to watch. They'd give up like 140ppg but it would be fun to watch lol.

Best thing he does. Too bad we don't run any transition.
 
Honestly, Love would be a perfect fit for the Rockets: Don't care about defense, just run up and down the court shooting 3s, pile up a lot of empty stats.
 
I'm going to jump in here and offer my 2 cents on your final point. I think that when you look at bigger trades, you have to recognize how hamstrung the Blazers have been due to the Summer of 2016, when Olshey fell into the trap of spending cap space resulting from new TV revenues on a crop of free agents who weren't deserving of the money. I understand why that decision was made as a way of banking cap space that was going to be lost, but it didn't work out well for the Blazers because Turner, Leonard, and Harkless all under performed so that there was no trade market for them. That issue finally begins to change this summer when those contracts are now ending deals. Other pieces acquired since then (Collins, Nurk, & Simons) all now have considerable trade value. Most notably, CJ has become a legitimate scorer and borderline All-Star with potentially major trade value. For all of those reasons, this summer is the first one that Olshey has the resources to actually make a trade that has significant impact. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does either this summer or by the trade deadline next season. That's what I'm going to base my evaluation of him on; not what he hasn't been able to do when he didn't have the resources.

GMs are human and make mistakes. Good GMs own their mistakes and try to fix them. Outside of dumping Crabbe, Olshey has been unwilling or unable to address the problem he caused. Instead, he has used it as an excuse. Color me unimpressed.
 
GMs are human and make mistakes. Good GMs own their mistakes and try to fix them. Outside of dumping Crabbe, Olshey has been unwilling or unable to address the problem he caused. Instead, he has used it as an excuse. Color me unimpressed.
The only realistic way to make up for mistakes is to mortgage the future just to get rid of a mistake. It's possible that he recognized the problem without being willing to make that sacrifice, which I completely agree with. This is what I meant in the other thread when I questioned you wanting draft picks but then make posts like this.
 
I listened to the actual podcast. Richman never said that. He said they explored using the TPE or players to try to get Love before his contract expired last year. This is an aggregation issue. Richman is actually pretty good with this stuff.
Are you saying they quoted him wrong? His quote in the article posted doesn't make any sense.
 
I think that’s the way things work in the NBA. GM’s talk all the time pitching trade ideas, but only a small percentage actually work out to both teams’ advantage and get done. Glad to hear Olshey is doing his job. Getting Hood and Kanter for basically nothing shows that he can make things happen. Hope he finds s bigger move this summer.
Im aware of all that, I just find it funny when people get excited about it the, “almosts”, and make a point to say, “LOOK HE’S DOING A GOOD JOB!”, its like well being “close” doesnt really count. Yeah I buy that NO has discussions all the time, but I dont really give him props for that... I guess its better than doing nothing at all.
 
The only realistic way to make up for mistakes is to mortgage the future just to get rid of a mistake. It's possible that he recognized the problem without being willing to make that sacrifice, which I completely agree with. This is what I meant in the other thread when I questioned you wanting draft picks but then make posts like this.

Sorry, but I don't see the connection. All I'm saying is that a GM shouldn't be allowed to use his own past mistakes as an excuse for not getting things done.
 
GMs are human and make mistakes. Good GMs own their mistakes and try to fix them. Outside of dumping Crabbe, Olshey has been unwilling or unable to address the problem he caused. Instead, he has used it as an excuse. Color me unimpressed.

So you're not impressed that he put together a team that made it to the WCF? Please, no excuses.
 
Is Love the final major piece to make this team a title contender? With his injury history, I'm not so sure.
He'd be better than what we have now at the four. Love and Nurk could really be fun!
 
Both Griffin and Love have too many miles on the engine...too many repairs....paid way too much money....Love has panic attacks and Griffin beats up his friends....find a younger, hungrier, cheaper guy with the same skills...I'd take Kanter over both of them if the price was right
 
Bullshit bones.

1.) Lopez was a good get.

2.) Also olshey didnt luck into Kanter. He built that relationship when he helped him get paid in okc.

3.) And ill go on record as agreeing with some others. You dismiss good moves and fault the bad.
4.) You may not think you do, but your posts certainly read that way. If that is not the intent then it isn't the same few readers, its most.

5.) NO deserves credit for kanter and you say he lucked into him. That invalidates everything else you say in that post.
1.) Lopez is the DEFINITION of a role player.
2.) He offered Kanter a terrible contract 3-years ago, that's it. And luckily, OKC matched (or else, who knows if we'd have Nurkic).
3.) I said Hood, Curry, and Kanter were all good moves so get outta here with that crap... They're not big-name players though but apparently some people can't accept that...
4.) Because people struggle to pay attention to what I said, just like you did here trying to argue that Olshey doesn't do more than acquire role players because of Robin Lopez, or that somehow signing Kanter counters that argument...
5.) NO, he doesn't. When asked if Kanter came here, did he say it was because of Neil? And if it is, then it's lucky because it's due to a contract that Neil should've never offered... Somehow a bad initial move turned into a good move because a player on the buyout market chose us 3-years later. That shows his skill as a GM? Really? The only argument you could make is that Kanter came here because of a culture Neil helped build, but that still doesn't counter my initial point...

The initial point was we always here about how he's "close" or "tried" to trade for a big-name player. I stated that clearly. So how the hell does the Kanter move even effect my original point? How the hell does getting Robin freakin' Lopez counter that point? People are arguing my point with irrelevant arguments, and I'm entertaining them and changing the focus of discussion... Maybe that's the problem.
 
Both Griffin and Love have too many miles on the engine...too many repairs....paid way too much money....Love has panic attacks and Griffin beats up his friends....find a younger, hungrier, cheaper guy with the same skills...I'd take Kanter over both of them if the price was right
Wow.. What a terrible reason to not go after someone...
 
Im aware of all that, I just find it funny when people get excited about it the, “almosts”, and make a point to say, “LOOK HE’S DOING A GOOD JOB!”, its like well being “close” doesnt really count. Yeah I buy that NO has discussions all the time, but I dont really give him props for that... I guess its better than doing nothing at all.
Exactly. For how many times he's "close", it's concerning that he never actually converts on these big-name players.
 
Wow.. What a terrible reason to not go after someone...
sure.....I listed a few reasons.....yet you need to once again call someone's take on things..."terrible"..."irrelevant"... I'll just bite my tongue here
 
Maybe you should consider not defining people's views as irrelevant...that's a start...
Maybe you shouldn't avoid context.

They're irrelevant in regards to the context of my initial statement. My initial statement was about Neil not being able to convert on these reportedly "close attempts" or "tries" for big-name players. People are trying to argue that by referencing the Kanter signing. That's irrelevant in regards to my initial statement, not that their views are irrelevant in general.
 
sure.....I listed a few reasons.....yet you need to once again call someone's take on things..."terrible"..."irrelevant"... I'll just bite my tongue here
Dude has one panic attack during a game. ONE game out of his 657 game career. And you say we shouldn't go after him because he suffers panic attacks... That's terrible. It obviously hasn't affected his career at all, and unnecessarily magnifying and holding mental health against him because of one time in one game...
 
So you're not impressed that he put together a team that made it to the WCF? Please, no excuses.
I'm not impressed with him the last 5 years, no. We made the WCF Finals because of:
1.) A 2012 draft pick
2.) A 2013 draft pick
3.) A free agent signing that was due to a terrible contract offer 4 years ago, or because of those first two, or whatever you want to paint it as.
4.) A mediocre group of role players led by a good pickup in Hood.

He's living off those two picks in 2012/2013. Dame was Portland's guy before Neil got there. He hasn't done anything impressive in the last 5 years.
 
Maybe you shouldn't avoid context.

They're irrelevant in regards to the context of my initial statement. My initial statement was about Neil not being able to convert on these reportedly "close attempts" or "tries" for big-name players. People are trying to argue that by referencing the Kanter signing. That's irrelevant in regards to my initial statement, not that their views are irrelevant in general.
I have not been involved in your endless posting about this stuff, nor am I really interested in dissecting your conversations about them.....in my view you don't get to determine "relevance" when it comes to the opinions of anyone posting about a topic....you have so many long winded posts about Neil and Terry that I'm just not going to ever agree with so....I have my own views ..they don't stem from your posting archives either..just saying Bones...you assume everyone follows these long explanations you put out
 
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I have not been involved in your endless posting about this stuff, nor am I really interested in dissecting your conversations about them.....in my view you don't get to determine "relevance" when it comes to the opinions of anyone posting about a topic....you have long winded posts about Neil and Terry that I'm just not going to ever agree with so....I have my own
Again, I'll try and explain the context nicely since you don't seem to be getting it. Here's an analogy:

If I say "I think the sky is pretty tonight because it's purple" and someone argues against that because "Trees are green", their argument is irrelevant in regards to the point I was trying to make. They don't correspond. They're unrelated.

My point is Olshey never converts on trades for big name targets. Any argument about the Kanter signing is irrelevant in regards to that point. They don't correspond. They're unrelated. I'm talking about lack of big-name trades, someone is arguing against it by brining up a signing. They're argument isn't relevant to the topic.

It's not me playing God and "determining relevance" of a viewpoint. Viewpoints on their own aren't irrelevant. Viewpoints are irrelevant if they're being directed towards a topic or talking point that they have no relation to.
 
It obviously hasn't affected his career at all, and unnecessarily magnifying and holding mental health against him because of one time in one game...
I've read his uncle Mike Love's autobiography about the history of mental illness in his family, Brian Wilson, his dad Stan...and Kevin talked at length about his struggles with panic attacks....I'm not dissing him for it...I'm saying it's PART of the reason I wouldn't sign him...along with several others....it's not all or nothing...mental health flags are just like physical health flags...sometimes more dangerous...ask Delonte West...Kevins uncle Brian Wilson just cancelled his current tour to rehab for mental issues and panic attacks....hmmmmmm….I'd say there's relevance to my opinion
 
NO hasnt landed big trades, but to be fair that isn't necessarily all there is to being a good GM.
I think that what I liked about his trades at the deadline this year was he free’d up a roster spot, that was an important part of those deals.

When it comes to making trades for big names, its always a little frustrating to hear after the fact how “close” things were but we never actually know, how close the other team was. We dont know if those wouldve been bad deals for Portland. Just because its a “big” deal, doesnt mean its a good one.

This isnt me making an excuse for NO, its just trying to be balanced about my critiques of him.
For whats its worth he has built a team that is competitive in an incredibly tough conference, you could argue the whole WCF’s was just luck, or whatever but theyve been consistently a good team, does NO have the ability to make them a great team? I dont know, and honestly I have my doubts.
 
I've read his uncle Mike Love's autobiography about the history of mental illness in his family, Brian Wilson, his dad Stan...and Kevin talked at length about his struggles with panic attacks....I'm not dissing him for it...I'm saying it's PART of the reason I wouldn't sign him...along with several others....it's not all or nothing...mental health flags are just like physical health flags...sometimes more dangerous...ask Delonte West...Kevins uncle Brian Wilson just cancelled his current tour to rehab for mental issues and panic attacks....hmmmmmm….I'd say there's relevance to my opinion
Fair enough, given your insight into his situation.

Simply put, nobody should be saying that without that level of insight, because most public information is simply one report of one game. I assumed you didn't have any more insight than that, so I was wrong.

Regardless though, he's had a good career despite of those problems, and being home in Portland would probably help with that.
 
NO hasnt landed big trades, but to be fair that isn't necessarily all there is to being a good GM.
I think that what I liked about his trades at the deadline this year was he free’d up a roster spot, that was an important part of those deals.

When it comes to making trades for big names, its always a little frustrating to hear after the fact how “close” things were but we never actually know, how close the other team was. We dont know if those wouldve been bad deals for Portland. Just because its a “big” deal, doesnt mean its a good one.

This isnt me making an excuse for NO, its just trying to be balanced about my critiques of him.
For whats its worth he has built a team that is competitive in an incredibly tough conference, you could argue the whole WCF’s was just luck, or whatever but theyve been consistently a good team, does NO have the ability to make them a great team? I dont know, and honestly I have my doubts.
I'm simply tired of hearing "tried" or "called" or "came close" to making a sizeable move that'd take this team to the next level, and it never happening. I want a GM that actually converts on these.
 
NO hasnt landed big trades, but to be fair that isn't necessarily all there is to being a good GM.
I think that what I liked about his trades at the deadline this year was he free’d up a roster spot, that was an important part of those deals.

When it comes to making trades for big names, its always a little frustrating to hear after the fact how “close” things were but we never actually know, how close the other team was. We dont know if those wouldve been bad deals for Portland. Just because its a “big” deal, doesnt mean its a good one.

This isnt me making an excuse for NO, its just trying to be balanced about my critiques of him.
For whats its worth he has built a team that is competitive in an incredibly tough conference, you could argue the whole WCF’s was just luck, or whatever but theyve been consistently a good team, does NO have the ability to make them a great team? I dont know, and honestly I have my doubts.
Really?

If he didn't he would've easily waived Baldwin or Stauskas (whichever was remaining). Why was freeing up a roster spot important?
 

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