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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Because he used two assets he had to upgrade the team and free’d up a roster spot for Kanter. Seems like a lot better usage of his assets then just waiving one.
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Still doesn't really make sense to me. I don't see how including Baldwin in the trade verse keeping him and waiving him made a difference at all, other than for matching salary in the Hood trade. If Stauskas matched by himself, the trade still gets made and Portland waives Baldwin to sign Kanter and adds $200K or so onto their bill for the season. I just fail to see how it was important to send out 2 players in the Hood deal instead of 1.
 
CupWizier said:
So you're not impressed that he put together a team that made it to the WCF? Please, no excuses.
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since Olshey was hired, 15 different teams have played in conference finals...that's half of the teams in the league. 6 different teams have played in the WCF, and over the past 5 years, the key to making the WCF was NOT being on the Warriors side of the bracket...what Portland backed into

Warriors have been there 5 times; Spurs 3 times; Houston and OKC twice. Portland is the same as Memphis right now and for Memphis, that was their high water mark. Might be the same for Portland, and before you say that Memphis isn't a good comparison, it's worth noting that when they played in the WCF, Gasol was 28 and Conley was 25

Olshey was gifted Lillard and backed by the richest owner in the NBA. He's had max-contract level cap-space 3 times in 7 years. In the 7th year of Olshey's tenure the Blazers got the softer side of the playoff bracket and made it to the WC finals where they got swept out of the playoffs for the 3rd straight season. Warriors have played 4 teams in the playoffs this year and three of those teams won at least two games. Blazers didn't. 'His' teams have a 37% winning percentage in the playoffs which would translate to 30 wins in an 82 game season; Pelicans got the 1st pick in the draft in a season they won 33 games

Blazers did make it to the WCF and that's an accomplishment, but seeing how they were outclassed by the Warriors and that the Warriors don't look to be going anywhere downhill for a few years...
 
wizenheimer said:
San Antonio Spurs
Memphis Grizzlies

San Antonio Spurs
Oklahoma City Thunder

Golden State Warriors
Houston Rockets

Golden State Warriors
Oklahoma City Thunder

Golden State Warriors
San Antonio Spurs

Golden State Warriors
Houston Rockets

Golden State Warriors
Portland Trail Blazers

since Olshey was hired, 15 different teams have played in conference finals...that's half of the teams in the league. 6 different teams have played in the WCF, and over the past 5 years, the key to making the WCF was NOT being on the Warriors side of the bracket...what Portland backed into

Warriors have been there 5 times; Spurs 3 times; Houston and OKC twice. Portland is the same as Memphis right now and for Memphis, that was their high water mark. Might be the same for Portland, and before you say that Memphis isn't a good comparison, it's worth noting that when they played in the WCF, Gasol was 28 and Conley was 25

Olshey was gifted Lillard and backed by the richest owner in the NBA. He's had max-contract level cap-space 3 times in 7 years. In the 7th year of Olshey's tenure the Blazers got the softer side of the playoff bracket and made it to the WC finals where they got swept out of the playoffs for the 3rd straight season. Warriors have played 4 teams in the playoffs this year and three of those teams won at least two games. Blazers didn't. 'His' teams have a 37% winning percentage in the playoffs which would translate to 30 wins in an 82 game season; Pelicans got the 1st pick in the draft in a season they won 33 games

Blazers did make it to the WCF and that's an accomplishment, but seeing how they were outclassed by the Warriors and that the Warriors don't look to be going anywhere downhill for a few years...
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Exactly. So he needs to make a sizeable move for a big-time player, which he's never done in 7 years here. If history is any precedent, we'll get "close" and fans will applaud him because "he tried".
 
riverman said:
Both Griffin and Love have too many miles on the engine...too many repairs....paid way too much money....Love has panic attacks and Griffin beats up his friends....find a younger, hungrier, cheaper guy with the same skills...I'd take Kanter over both of them if the price was right
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I guess you don't want to win a championship. You just want a good team.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I guess you don't want to win a championship. You just want a good team.
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I've won a championship...when I was 23.'77..I want a great team and another one....just think there are better options given our roster to get there and not sacrifice what depth we have developed...we need 3 new players more than likely...getting your "allstar" brand guys with injury histories might not be the best way to get there....you can pay Griffin and Love with a degree of risk or keep Kanter….I'd keep Kanter over either of the other guys.....I'd try out Aaron Gordon before Kevin Love...I just don't see them in the plans moving forward....it would be different if they were both willing to take huge paycuts to be here like Boogie did with Golden State...and Boogie is a free agent too. There are a ton of quality bigs on the market this offseason...no need to overpay or assume much risk
 
riverman said:
I've won a championship...when I was 23.'77..I want a great team and another one....just think there are better options given our roster to get there and not sacrifice what depth we have developed...we need 3 new players more than likely...getting your "allstar" brand guys with injury histories might not be the best way to get there....you can pay Griffin and Love with a degree of risk or keep Kanter….I'd keep Kanter over either of the other guys.....I'd try out Aaron Gordon before Kevin Love...I just don't see them in the plans moving forward....it would be different if they were both willing to take huge paycuts to be here like Boogie did with Golden State...and Boogie is a free agent too. There are a ton of quality bigs on the market this offseason...no need to overpay or assume much risk
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wizenheimer said:
San Antonio Spurs
Memphis Grizzlies

San Antonio Spurs
Oklahoma City Thunder

Golden State Warriors
Houston Rockets

Golden State Warriors
Oklahoma City Thunder

Golden State Warriors
San Antonio Spurs

Golden State Warriors
Houston Rockets

Golden State Warriors
Portland Trail Blazers

since Olshey was hired, 15 different teams have played in conference finals...that's half of the teams in the league. 6 different teams have played in the WCF, and over the past 5 years, the key to making the WCF was NOT being on the Warriors side of the bracket...what Portland backed into

Warriors have been there 5 times; Spurs 3 times; Houston and OKC twice. Portland is the same as Memphis right now and for Memphis, that was their high water mark. Might be the same for Portland, and before you say that Memphis isn't a good comparison, it's worth noting that when they played in the WCF, Gasol was 28 and Conley was 25

Olshey was gifted Lillard and backed by the richest owner in the NBA. He's had max-contract level cap-space 3 times in 7 years. In the 7th year of Olshey's tenure the Blazers got the softer side of the playoff bracket and made it to the WC finals where they got swept out of the playoffs for the 3rd straight season. Warriors have played 4 teams in the playoffs this year and three of those teams won at least two games. Blazers didn't. 'His' teams have a 37% winning percentage in the playoffs which would translate to 30 wins in an 82 game season; Pelicans got the 1st pick in the draft in a season they won 33 games

Blazers did make it to the WCF and that's an accomplishment, but seeing how they were outclassed by the Warriors and that the Warriors don't look to be going anywhere downhill for a few years...
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oh my, and now the discounting of the Blazers success once again. "We are just a lucky team". 6 teams in the WCF means 9 teams didn't play in the WCF during that time period. I would rather be one of the minorities that played in the WCF than one of the majority that didn't, but then again, I enjoy watching the Blazers play where as you like to complain about the Blazers.
 
riverman said:
I've won a championship...when I was 23.'77..I want a great team and another one....just think there are better options given our roster to get there and not sacrifice what depth we have developed...we need 3 new players more than likely...getting your "allstar" brand guys with injury histories might not be the best way to get there....you can pay Griffin and Love with a degree of risk or keep Kanter….I'd keep Kanter over either of the other guys.....I'd try out Aaron Gordon before Kevin Love...I just don't see them in the plans moving forward....it would be different if they were both willing to take huge paycuts to be here like Boogie did with Golden State...and Boogie is a free agent too. There are a ton of quality bigs on the market this offseason...no need to overpay or assume much risk
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Holy fuck you’re old.
 
PCmor7 said:
Honestly, Love would be a perfect fit for the Rockets: Don't care about defense, just run up and down the court shooting 3s, pile up a lot of empty stats.
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I mean they got closer to beating golden state than we ever have. Maybe we should take notes.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Hey we beat them in the regular season a couple times! Oh and that one team when Steph didnt play!
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we beat them with Kevin Durant going off for 50 or something like that...they didn't miss Curry in that loss as much as folks claim..we beat them fair and square.
 
riverman said:
we beat them with Kevin Durant going off for 50 or something like that...they didn't miss Curry in that loss as much as folks claim..we beat them fair and square.
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The Blazers have won games without Dame, does that mean they dont miss Dame?

Overall, I get it, but still Steph didnt play. I never said that was the only reason the Blazers won. Just it is a big factor too.
 
Blake has three years left at $34million, $36.5million and $39million which is awful. We will give Dame a super max which will be like $52million or something in 2021/22 meaning we would be paying both of them $90million that year, with basically zero chance of making an impact in the playoffs.

Love’s contract is equally bad though, and longer.

Moving for either of them would be bad, bad move.
 
Sarni said:
Blake has three years left at $34million, $36.5million and $39million which is awful. We will give Dame a super max which will be like $52million or something in 2021/22 meaning we would be paying both of them $90million that year, with basically zero chance of making an impact in the playoffs.

Love’s contract is equally bad though, and longer.

Moving for either of them would be bad, bad move.
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Oh damn, what would we miss out on?
 
now that we got Hood back we need to trade Harkless&Leonard for Love

Lillard
McCollum
Hood
Love
Nurkic

that's a hell of a 5 to close games!
 
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