Blake's 71.4 win percentage leads team.

[C_note]

I just want to see one media outlet, or coach, or anyone besides the Blazers advocate Blake playing ahead of Miller, or Bayless for that matter.

Ya you won't find that haha. Hollinger just stated in his last chat that if the Blazers are to have any chance in the playoffs, it will be with either Miller or Bayless at the point.

 

[KingSpeed]

And that's why we wont win a championship with this current squad... in my opinion, banking on Blake's three's will get us nowhere.

The Bulls and Lakers won titles banking on Paxson and Fisher's threes. In championship runs, the defenses collapse on the best players and you MUST have a Steve Kerr or a Robert Horry or a Jaren Jackson or a Stephen Jackson to knock down the wide open three. You simply MUST. That is championship basketball, like it or not.

Paxson hit the championship winning three in 1993. Steve Kerr hit the championship winning shot in 1997. Fisher hit the game tying and winning threes in Game 4 vs the Magic this past season. Oh yea, how did Game 4 of Kings/Lakers in 2002 end? Horry for three.

Watch the Finals every year. It comes down to players hitting outside shots when the star players get doubled down the stretch.

Blake and Rudy are our guys.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Ya you won't find that haha. Hollinger just stated in his last chat that if the Blazers are to have any chance in the playoffs, it will be with either Miller or Bayless at the point.

You guys dont understand, how are we gonna take out our best defender???


This thinking that Blake is a good defender is just crazy. He cant stay in front of one point guard in the league.... laughable

 

[blue32]

The Bulls and Lakers won titles banking on Paxson and Fisher's threes. In championship runs, the defenses collapse on the best players and you MUST have a Steve Kerr or a Robert Horry or a Jaren Jackson or a Stephen Jackson to knock down the wide open three. You simply MUST. That is championship basketball, like it or not.

Paxson hit the championship winning three in 1993. Steve Kerr hit the championship winning shot in 1997. Fisher hit the game tying and winning threes in Game 4 vs the Magic this past season. Oh yea, how did Game 4 of Kings/Lakers in 2002 end? Horry for three.

Watch the Finals every year. It comes down to players hitting outside shots when the star players get doubled down the stretch.

Blake and Rudy are our guys.

If that's the case, we should trade Oden and LMA. fuck it.

In Blake's 3's we trust.........

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

The Bulls and Lakers won titles banking on Paxson and Fisher's threes. In championship runs, the defenses collapse on the best players and you MUST have a Steve Kerr or a Robert Horry or a Jaren Jackson or a Stephen Jackson to knock down the wide open three. You simply MUST. That is championship basketball, like it or not.

Paxson hit the championship winning three in 1993. Steve Kerr hit the championship winning shot in 1997. Fisher hit the game tying and winning threes in Game 4 vs the Magic this past season.

Watch the Finals every year. It comes down to players hitting outside shots when the star players get doubled down the stretch.

Blake and Rudy are our guys.

The Bulls and Lakers had Jordan and Bryant

We have Roy, Big difference

 

[KingSpeed]

This needlessly puts them at risk for foul trouble, which is exactly what happened to Oden. How can you legitimately base a defense around such a strategy? Wouldn't it be easier (and smarter) to have a defender who could just stay in front of his man and force a pass-off?

I realize we didn't have that option though.

Oden gets most of his fouls guarding his own man.

 

[KingSpeed]

You guys dont understand, how are we gonna take out our best defender???


This thinking that Blake is a good defender is just crazy. He cant stay in front of one point guard in the league.... laughable

We won the recent game against Houston because of Blake's clutch D on Brooks in the last 3 seconds of the game.

 

[blue32]

Oden gets most of his fouls guarding his own man.

WTF game are you watching.....that is not true at all.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Oden gets most of his fouls guarding his own man.

Half of his fouls come from guards....dont have data to support that, but neither do you

 

[KingSpeed]

If that's the case, we should trade Oden and LMA. fuck it.

In Blake's 3's we trust.........

HUH? No. We KEEP Oden and LMA and surround them with shot makers. That is how you win titles.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

We won the recent game against Houston because of Blake's clutch D on Brooks in the last 3 seconds of the game.

Thats exactly why we won

 

[C_note]

Oden gets most of his fouls guarding his own man.

Did you watch any of the games this season?

 

[KingSpeed]

WTF game are you watching.....that is not true at all.

Yes it is. About 1 or 2 are offensive fouls. Another 1 or 2 is from hacking his own man.

 

[KingSpeed]

Thats exactly why we won

Did you watch the game? We were up 1 with 3 seconds to go. Brooks was given the ball. We only win the game if Blake shuts him down. And he did.

 

[KingSpeed]

Did you watch any of the games this season?

Haven't missed a single one.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Did you watch the game? We were up 1 with 3 seconds to go. Brooks was given the ball. We only win the game if Blake shuts him down. And he did.

I was agreeing with you

 

[KingSpeed]

give me a few minutes. I will come back with Oden's foul stats for the playoffs last season.

 

[KingSpeed]

I was agreeing with you

Sorry. Thought you were being sarcastic.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Did you watch the game? We were up 1 with 3 seconds to go. Brooks was given the ball. We only win the game if Blake shuts him down. And he did.

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Looks to me that Brooks blew by blake and LMA and Pryz affected his shot (2:10)

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Sorry. Thought you were being sarcastic.

I was

 

[RR7]

Yeah, it was Blake's lockdown D. Good lord.

 

[Minstrel]

This thread blew up in a hurry!

I'll admit that Blake's career positive +/- or win% gives me some pause. His traditional numbers aren't good and observationally, he seems quite limited. But it does seem true that units he plays with consistently do pretty well, so there might be something more than meets the eye with Blake.

Still, I'm more apt to trust the tangible measures first and foremost (scoring, rebounding, creating assists) and use the intangible measures (which is really what +/- types of statistics are about) more around the edges. I think Miller is clearly a better player than Blake,and Bayless is likely to be better. Does Blake have an "intangibles" edge over them? Perhaps, but I'd rather first see the players with superior production play significant minutes together before deciding that intangible benefits overwhelm productivity benefits.

I will say that my impression of Blake's defense has changed recently, both with the Synergy Sports findings and his +/- results. Blake is probably not as bad at defense as I thought and many here think.

 

[KingSpeed]

Oden's fouls in the playoffs

Game 1- http://www.nba.com/games/20090418/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 3 fouls- loose ball, Yao, Scola

Game 2- http://www.nba.com/games/20090421/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 6 fouls- Yao, Lowry, loose ball, ?, Brooks,

Game 3- http://www.nba.com/games/20090424/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 5 fouls- ?, Yao, ?, ?, Lowry

Game 4- http://www.nba.com/games/20090426/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 5 fouls- Artest, Yao, ?, ?, Yao

Game 5- http://www.nba.com/games/20090428/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 4 fouls- Landry, Landry, Offensive, ?

Game 6- http://www.nba.com/games/20090430/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 4 fouls- Artest, Yao, Brooks, Offensive

The ?s are fouls in which no one shot free throws and they weren't loose ball fouls or offensive fouls. Most likely, these were fouls against his own man prior to his man shooting. If they were fouls against guards penetrating, they would have put up the shot and gone to the line. But let's add up the fouls we know about:

Yao: 6
Scola: 1
Landry: 2
Artest: 2
Lowry: 2
Brooks: 1
Offensive fouls: 2

So, out of the 16 fouls we know about, only THREE were against point guards and I can't be certain that Blake was guarding them when those fouls were committed. I could figure it out, but I'm lazy. Also- almost all of those ? fouls were against Oden's own man.

There you go. All that bullshit about half of the fouls being against guards has been proven wrong. Eat it.

 

[blue32]

Now how many of those fouls were the result of a PG driving past blake, then dumping it off to Oden's man after he had to rotate over, then oden caught out of position on his own man is forced to foul.

 

[hasoos]

You can speak up for Blake all you want. It's your basketball IQ on the line not mine. Have at it.

 

[KingSpeed]

This thread blew up in a hurry!

I'll admit that Blake's career positive +/- or win% gives me some pause. His traditional numbers aren't good and observationally, he seems quite limited. But it does seem true that units he plays with consistently do pretty well, so there might be something more than meets the eye with Blake.

Still, I'm more apt to trust the tangible measures first and foremost (scoring, rebounding, creating assists) and use the intangible measures (which is really what +/- types of statistics are about) more around the edges. I think Miller is clearly a better player than Blake,and Bayless is likely to be better. Does Blake have an "intangibles" edge over them? Perhaps, but I'd rather first see the players with superior production play significant minutes together before deciding that intangible benefits overwhelm productivity benefits.

I will say that my impression of Blake's defense has changed recently, both with the Synergy Sports findings and his +/- results. Blake is probably not as bad at defense as I thought and many here think.

There are a lot of players in this league who have tangible stats but their teams don't win. In fact, there are full teams with players with tangible stats but they don't win.

 

[Minstrel]

The ?s are fouls in which no one shot free throws and they weren't loose ball fouls or offensive fouls. Most likely, these were fouls against his own man prior to his man shooting. If they were fouls against guards penetrating, they would have put up the shot and gone to the line.

Sorry, that makes no sense. One could as easily say that if they were against his own man, that player would have "put up the shot and gone to the line." There are plenty of fouls committed against penetrating perimeter players prior to the shot. The fact that they were non-shooting personal fouls tells us nothing about whom they were committed against.

 

[KingSpeed]

Okay. I'm done. I look forward to Blake getting 5 pts, 4 assts, leading us to a Blazer win tonight.

Go Blazers!

 

[Minstrel]

There are a lot of players in this league who have tangible stats but their teams don't win. In fact, there are full teams with players with tangible stats but they don't win.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said. Every player has "tangible" production, so of course there are players and teams with tangible production who aren't winning.

 

[PapaG]

Dang, where was his defense last year when Brooks absolutely torched him. Didn't Deron torch Blake this year? (cant remember...)

If we're trying to fool ourselves into thinking Blake plays good defense based on that rating so far, I think were blind.

You mean how Brooks "torched him" for a PER of 14 in that series?