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Scalma said:
Had the best shuttle time at the combine and a 40 inch vert. Also top 5 biggest hands (along with Watford)

The tools are there.
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Tools are almost always the most important thing. Skill can be gained, as I said when we coulda drafted Giannis and Gobert "You can't teach height, length, and athleticism". Obviously, I'm not saying this guy will come remotely close to those two, just saying Tools are absolutely critical. A 5'8" guy with god-level skills will never make it in this league.
 
According to both the things I read:
Can jump.
Can't do anything else.
Super-confident, but doesn't know how to play.
Worst passer in mock draft history.
Ranked #44 on the Athletic's big board, so we got him in about the right place!
 
Well, I guess we know now why we hired so many development coaches already...
 
B-Roy said:
Summary At the end of the day, I don’t want to be the first team that ends up with Brown. The upside athletically is clear. Long term, I’d bet on him being an NBA player if he can iron out the skill stuff and keep learning how to play. His margin for error is enormous because of what he brings to table as a potentially switchable defender who can protect the rim as a four-man. Brown has a lot of the skills that Jerami Grant brought to the table early in his career, maybe even to a greater extent. But it’s going to take so much time that I don’t know that I’m wildly interested in giving him a lot of guaranteed money early. And this ranking isn’t a long-term career ranking. It’s a pre-draft asset ranking discussing what kind of value the team that selects him will derive out of the player. And Grant’s career arc is instructive here. Grant’s first team in Philadelphia didn’t really reap the rewards of his presence. His second team in Oklahoma City started to before moving him. He finally morphed into a true difference-maker on his third team in Denver. But it wasn’t until his fourth team in Detroit that he really blossomed into the level he is now. These guys just take so much time, especially when starting at such a deficit in terms of how they play the game.

From the Athletic. Awesome...we got Jerami Grant in 6 years.
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I remember being really impressed with Grant when he was with OKC (years 3-4) and wishing Portland had a do it all wing like that. Few guys are polished enough at 19 to play with the big boys but thats when most come out these days. In that way he seems similar to Kuminga with much better value. In addition to the obvious athleticism, his highlight tape shows some off hand ability both shooting and passing. The form on his J needs some work as he loads up off to the side of his head, thats a real concern. No he probably won't be playing much at first, but if his head is on straight there is a lot to work with.

STOMP
 
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if we sign him for a deal after the moratorium, let's say 3 yrs, 10 mil. How long before we use his contract in a trade?
 
illmatic99 said:
if we sign him for a deal after the moratorium, let's say 3 yrs, 10 mil. How long before we use his contract in a trade?
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With 1st round picks, I know it's a 30 day wait. But I imagine if we dip into the tax MLE to sign him, it'd be similar to other free agent signings, and not eligible until Dec. 15th, I believe it is.
 
illmatic99 said:
if we sign him for a deal after the moratorium, let's say 3 yrs, 10 mil. How long before we use his contract in a trade?
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3 years / 10 million for a rookie? Just to use as salary filler? Why not just sign Kanter at that point?
 
B-Roy said:
3 years / 10 million for a rookie? Just to use as salary filler? Why not just sign Kanter at that point?
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isn't that the going rate for 2nd round picks? maybe 3 yrs, 5 mil?

im trying to find a 3 mil/yr contract to trade. we have no salary fillers. I knew we couldn't immediately trade Kanter if we signed him with part of our MLE, but as @RR7 points out the same would be true with brown.
 
illmatic99 said:
isn't that the going rate for 2nd round picks? maybe 3 yrs, 5 mil?

im trying to find a 3 mil/yr contract to trade. we have no salary fillers. I knew we couldn't immediately trade Kanter if we signed him with part of our MLE, but as @RR7 points out the same would be true with brown.
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We can S&T Kanter for salary filler
 
illmatic99 said:
isn't that the going rate for 2nd round picks? maybe 3 yrs, 5 mil?

im trying to find a 3 mil/yr contract to trade. we have no salary fillers. I knew we couldn't immediately trade Kanter if we signed him with part of our MLE, but as @RR7 points out the same would be true with brown.
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I don't think a second rounder is getting 3 million a year when a guaranteed contract for pick 30 is around 4 years/5 million.

Elleby was 800k/1.5M for two years. Trent was 800k/1.5M/1.6M (3 years/4M). Also, like @wizenheimer pointed out, if we wanted to go 3 years for him we would have to dip into our MLE to do so. I would imagine going into the MLE to sign Brown would be a bad sign. It means all the quality guys that we targeted with the tax MLE spurned us.

If you're looking for a salary filler, I think you'd be looking at Kanter in a S&T. S&T players must have 3 years, but only the first year needs to be guaranteed. Essentially they are just a salary filler at that point. I don't know what Kanter's market would be, but I think he would be open to (and lucky to get) anything higher than the veterans minimum. So if you did have a trade in mind, it would require working things out with both the other team as well as Kanter beforehand, and executing the deal using Kanter as the salary filler. It's been done many times before. I believe Keith Bogans got a nice one year payraise as a S&T salary filler in the BOS/BRK deal that sent Pierce/Garnett to Brooklyn.

This would require some creativity, foresight and proactiveness from Neil though, so don't expect it to happen.
 
illmatic99 said:
but would it not hard cap the team getting him? And we couldn't combine him with others in a S&T i thought?
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1st point, less than 5 teams went over the apron last year. Most teams wouldn’t care I would think.

2nd point, common misconception. You definitely can.
 
Can someone explain the birds and the bees to me one more time?

Is that what happens when Greg Oden and Moses Brown love each other very much?

But seriously, wish all the luck in the world to this dude.
 
illmatic99 said:
but would it not hard cap the team getting him? And we couldn't combine him with others in a S&T i thought?
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I don't think an outgoing sign and trade using non bird exception (up to 125% of previous year's salary) hard caps a team... but I could be wrong.
 
I like his brutality when he rams the ball into the defender for a dunk.
 
B-Roy said:
1st point, less than 5 teams went over the apron last year. Most teams wouldn’t care I would think.

2nd point, common misconception. You definitely can.
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color me confused.
 
illmatic99 said:
but would it not hard cap the team getting him? And we couldn't combine him with others in a S&T i thought?
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We can combine him, but you're correct it would hard cap the other team.
 
RR7 said:
We can combine him, but you're correct it would hard cap the other team.
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wizenheimer said:
as RR7 said, you can combine a S&T with other players

IIRC, the previous CBA said a team couldn't combine a S&T, but that rule was eliminated
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So in theory, we can do a Jones (9.7 mil) + Simons (3.9 mil) + Kanter (S&T 3 mil) + let's say a future first for Grant?
 
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