Notice Blazers draft Greg Brown!

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Scalma said:
yeah, also shows what they think of him, if trading for him wasn’t convincing enough lol. Elleby for example only got two years.
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actually, it probably shows more what they think of Elleby. Barton, Crabbe, Layman, and Trent all got fully guaranteed 3 year rookie deals. Elleby and Brown got 2, but a team option for Brown

or, more likely, Elleby's deal was only 2 years because Olshey wanted to have the full-MLE last fall to throw at Jones
 
B-Roy said:
Pretty sure Trent and Crabbe had 3rd year nonguarantees as well
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Crabbe maybe, but I didn't see any entry in Portland's transaction list for picking up an option on Trent

it doesn't matter anyway, because it seems pretty clear the reason Elleby only got a 2 year deal is because the Blazers 'needed' the full-MLE last off-season. They didn't have that need this time around when they gave Brown the non-guaranteed 3rd year
 


That’s a lottery big he packed. I’ve been consistently impressed with what he can do defensively. He made numerous great plays tonight that don’t even show up in the box score. He was never gonna have huge stats in the summer league anyway as it’s not a great set up for role players/non ball handlers.

His main focus should be tightening up his outside shot because if he can knock those down somewhat consistently he’s gonna get on the court; his ceiling is that high defensively.
 
THE HCP said:
What? The dude won’t see the court this season…… not an NBA court at least. What are you talking about?
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Assume nothing. We have no idea how Billups plans to manage the roster. For all we know, he believes in periodically giving developing players relevant minutes.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Assume nothing. We have no idea how Billups plans to manage the roster. For all we know, he believes in periodically giving developing players relevant minutes.
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Good point. But planning on this kid helping us succeed this season, let alone even hit the court is no different than expecting the 65 wins......only setting yourself up for a letdown.
 
THE HCP said:
What? The dude won’t see the court this season…… not an NBA court at least. What are you talking about?
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The calls for him to get some rotation minutes will come early and often... you know it!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Assume nothing. We have no idea how Billups plans to manage the roster. For all we know, he believes in periodically giving developing players relevant minutes.
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It’s funny, Moses Brown for example couldn’t even get on the roster, nevermind the court. Goes to OKC, gets a chance to play, and actually shows he can produce in the league. Must’ve lost that memo from Stotts (and some other old close minded people) that a guy can’t play NBA basketball until his third year.

Hopefully Billups is a little open minded, or at least doesn’t jerk a young player around if he actually does play well. Few things were more annoying last season than the way Stotts treated Nas.
 
Scalma said:
It’s funny, Moses Brown for example couldn’t even get on the roster, nevermind the court. Goes to OKC, gets a chance to play, and actually shows he can produce in the league. Must’ve lost that memo from Stotts (and some other old close minded people) that a guy can’t play NBA basketball until his third year.
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Well, let's be fair here, Moses Brown had a bunch of cast-offs to complete for time with in OKC. Their center rotation also included Muscala and Tony Bradley. Frankly, if I changed my name to "late first round pick" I could potentially play on that team.

In Portland he was behind Nurkic, ZCo, Skal and Whiteside for Center minutes and even with the injuries, expecting much time for him there is misplaced, imho, especially as a 1st year player.
 
Here is what the "average scout" said about Brown before the draft:

Greg Brown, 6-9 freshman forward, Texas. “He’s sexy, but I just can’t tell you what he does. He shoots 3s or dunks, that’s it. No skill, no feel for the game. His interview was very disappointing. If he buys into being defensive-minded and using his athleticism as a shot-blocker, he could wind up having a place in our league. He gets too caught up in being a wing. He rebounds a little bit. I’m guessing he goes second round but there’s a lot of buyer beware with him. You’ve got to have a really strong assistant or player development guy to work with him.”

Having watched him in SL, I think that's about right. Good thing we hired all those development coaches.
 
andalusian said:
Well, let's be fair here, Moses Brown had a bunch of cast-offs to complete for time with in OKC. Their center rotation also included Muscala and Tony Bradley. Frankly, if I changed my name to "late first round pick" I could potentially play on that team.

In Portland he was behind Nurkic, ZCo, Skal and Whiteside for Center minutes and even with the injuries, expecting much time for him there is misplaced, imho, especially as a 1st year player.
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you missed the point. Contrary to Terrys philosophy, young players don’t necessarily need to wait three years to produce in the NBA. I’d say more times than not it’s just about opportunity. Unfortunately under Stotts those opportunities primarily came through necessity. For example when Hood got injured and Trent had to play. If that hadn’t happened Trent would’ve never seen the floor. Guy didn’t even play a minute in the rotation his rookie year, even though it was obvious to anyone that watched him in the g league that he could help. There are other examples (Wes/CJ) and missed opportunities (Barton) but that shirt is all in the past, just gotta hope Billups is a different story.
 
Scalma said:
you missed the point. Contrary to Terrys philosophy, young players don’t necessarily need to wait three years to produce in the NBA. I’d say more times than not it’s just about opportunity. Unfortunately under Stotts those opportunities primarily came through necessity. For example when Hood got injured and Trent had to play. If that hadn’t happened Trent would’ve never seen the floor. Guy didn’t even play a minute in the rotation his rookie year, even though it was obvious to anyone that watched him in the g league that he could help. There are other examples (Wes/CJ) and missed opportunities (Barton) but that shirt is all in the past, just gotta hope Billups is a different story.
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Yeah, it doesn't seem to unreasonable to me, if I were a coach, to periodically say, "All right Greg, we're gonna give you about a 6 minute stretch here in the 3rd quarter alongside three of the starters. Defend, contest shots, rebound, be disruptive, and if a decent scoring opportunity presents itself, take advantage." Give a guy a chance to contribute once in a while, even if not on a consistent basis, and see if he can hold his own against legit rotation players. At the very least, you get some game film to go over with the guy to aid in his development, and maybe, just maybe, he demonstrates the ability to actually help the team.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yeah, it doesn't seem to unreasonable to me, if I were a coach, to periodically say, "All right Greg, we're gonna give you about a 6 minute stretch here in the 3rd quarter alongside three of the starters. Defend, contest shots, rebound, be disruptive, and if a decent scoring opportunity presents itself, take advantage." Give a guy a chance to contribute once in a while, even if not on a consistent basis, and see if he can hold his own against legit rotation players. At the very least, you get some game film to go over with the guy to aid in his development, and maybe, just maybe, he demonstrates the ability to actually help the team.
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Sorry, but I think you guys are repainting history to fit a narrative. He was a 2-way player for the Blazers, he played 30 games in the G-League, and was recalled to the Blazers after Skal was injured in game 33 of a a 74 games season - so he was available for 41 games (a little less reasonably, as you expect him to practice with the team for some days before playing) and played in 9 of them. Seems more than reasonable in a short season for a 2-way player when the team was fighting to make the playoffs.
 
andalusian said:
Sorry, but I think you guys are repainting history to fit a narrative. He was a 2-way player for the Blazers, he played 30 games in the G-League, and was recalled to the Blazers after Skal was injured in game 33 of a a 74 games season - so he was available for 41 games (a little less reasonably, as you expect him to practice with the team for some days before playing) and played in 9 of them. Seems more than reasonable in a short season for a 2-way player when the team was fighting to make the playoffs.
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You can direct that toward @Scalma. I haven't talked about Moses--I'm just talkin' bout Greg. Not Moses, not Moses, not Moses--how silly is that? I'm just talkin' bout Greg.
 
Scalma said:
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For example when Hood got injured and Trent had to play. If that hadn’t happened Trent would’ve never seen the floor. Guy didn’t even play a minute in the rotation his rookie year, even though it was obvious to anyone that watched him in the g league that he could help. There are other examples (Wes/CJ) and missed opportunities (Barton) but that shirt is all in the past, just gotta hope Billups is a different story.
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I thought so as well, but as I recall not everyone that watched him that first year thought he would stick. "Blackhole" was just one negative description that was used on this board.

But to be fair he did improve quite a bit from year 1 to year 2. Shocking how that happens with young players.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
You can direct that toward @Scalma. I haven't talked about Moses--I'm just talkin' bout Greg. Not Moses, not Moses, not Moses--how silly is that? I'm just talkin' bout Greg.
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but you did piggy-back onto Scalma's posts blaming Stotts for lack of player-development

* I was curious so I looked at Trent's rookie year, using your gauge of 6 minutes. Trent had 5 games of over 6 minutes that season. In those 5 games, Trent went 2-16 on FG's, 1-8 on three's, had 1 assist, 1 rebound, and 2 turnovers. Nothing he did in those games said 'play me more'

* Simons was similar in those 'more-than-6-minutes' opportunities (6 games). He didn't shoot as poorly as Trent, but he didn't shoot that well either. Both of those guys played all 48 minutes in that weird final game of the season, but I didn't add those numbers.

In the case of Trent & Simons, I can't tell if those game were consecutive minutes but that was kind of the way Stotts would roll

* Nassir got opportunity as a rookie. He started 5 games; had 29 games of over 10 minutes and 11 games over 15 minutes

* Jake Layman had 11 games of over 8 minutes as a rookie

* Will Barton had 50 games of over 6 minutes as a rookie when he also started 5 games; 23 games of over 15 minutes, and 13 games of over 20 minutes.

I think the 'narrative' that Stotts didn't play rookies is really a narrative of 'Stotts didn't play the rookies I want to see as much as I wanted to see them'. And the feeling seems to have made the memory foggy of past rookies. I thought Trent looked shitty as a rookie and Simons wasn't much better. Same for Layman. Barton and Little looked a lot better in my view and surprise! those are the two rookies who got a lot more burn. Moses looked lost

I'd also think we should credit a coaching staff for basing some of their rotation choices for rookies on practice, and that's something we don't see
 
tiredhunter said:
Until another big is signed, it seems like there are at least 8 minutes a game for him to fight and claw for.
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I hope when people on here are making their win predictions, they realize this kid is getting on the court for 8 minutes a game!
 
Scalma said:
It’s funny, Moses Brown for example couldn’t even get on the roster, nevermind the court. Goes to OKC, gets a chance to play, and actually shows he can produce in the league. Must’ve lost that memo from Stotts (and some other old close minded people) that a guy can’t play NBA basketball until his third year.

Hopefully Billups is a little open minded, or at least doesn’t jerk a young player around if he actually does play well. Few things were more annoying last season than the way Stotts treated Nas.
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Didn’t Brown only have a good “week” in the league?
 
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