Blazers End Partnership with Military Contractor Leupold & Stevens

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led by a bunch of unemployed, over-entitled perpetually-offended people.

Just so you know, I went over and thanked the protestors who where nowhere near unemployed. I'm employed and I would've joined them.
Frankly, this just smacks of somebody not knowing WTF he's talking about.
 
I never said I disagreed with them. My point is that I don't think it is healthy for people to protest companies they don't like to try and harm them or shut them down. If everyone did this then jobs would start dying off and you end up harming the people who work for the companies. Everyone is offended by something. Should we shut it all down?

There are people on board with the cancel culture and people that are not on board. I am not on board. And yes, I do believe the vast majority of the social media cancel culture types are not gainfully employed and live in their parent's basement.

I'm going to go back to only basketball comments. Many of us don't agree on political issues, but I hope we can focus on this exciting time of year and all the promise that is going on at the practice facility. Go Blazers.

Do you like having weekends off? Was Samuel Gompers someone who was "not gainfully employed and lived in his parents basement"?

If we didn't protest against corporations, we wouldn't have the 40 hr weekday nor would we have child labor laws...

You're simply not making sense.
 
Sorry but that's a load of bull to me. And personally, IDGAF who gets "caught in the crossfire" when it comes to cutting military spending. We spend more on "defense" than the next 10 countries. It's not a fucking red herring.
Gotta agree. The defense budget is a huge problem and a direct cause of our shortcomings at home...shitty infrastructure, poor education, non-existent healthcare, etc. It’s not an anti-troop position to take either (for anyone trying to twist it into that), most of that money never makes it to the guys on the ground, it ends up in the pockets of CEOs of big defense contractors. There was an instance during Iraq of the government refusing to outfit hummers with extra under armor to defend against roadside bombs, which led to multiple deaths that could’ve been prevented. Meanwhile there are countless examples of contractors price gouging and the government happily forking over your and my money to them. There are multiple books outlining hundreds more egregious examples. If everyone knew how the defense budget was actually spent they’d probably be sick.
 
Gotta agree. The defense budget is a huge problem and a direct cause of our shortcomings at home...shitty infrastructure, poor education, non-existent healthcare, etc. It’s not an anti-troop position to take either (for anyone trying to twist it into that), most of that money never makes it to the guys on the ground, it ends up in the pockets of CEOs of big defense contractors. There was an instance during Iraq of the government refusing to outfit hummers with extra under armor to defend against roadside bombs, which led to multiple deaths that could’ve been prevented. Meanwhile there are countless examples of contractors price gouging and the government happily forking over your and my money to them. There are multiple books outlining hundreds more egregious examples. If everyone knew how the defense budget was actually spent they’d probably be sick.

I had hoped that, IF there was anything Trump would've actually done, the US budget would've been audited and things would've been improved. But I've been hoping for that for years and know it'll never happen.

I'm not saying cut social programs (etc), but the country loves to waste money on the good old boy networking.
 
Do we have any proof that this defense contractor has fleeced the country? Do we know what their margins are? What type of markups they’re working with?

Also they have a lot of commercial products.

Seems like the vitriol belongs towards the US Government for giving out those contracts not the companies for taking it. Just like I was never mad ET signed the contract I was upset NO offered it.

I ask because I don't know and I don't think its fair to just lump all defense contractors together because we don't like military spending in general, which I would agree with is too much.
 
Gotta agree. The defense budget is a huge problem and a direct cause of our shortcomings at home...shitty infrastructure, poor education, non-existent healthcare, etc. It’s not an anti-troop position to take either (for anyone trying to twist it into that), most of that money never makes it to the guys on the ground, it ends up in the pockets of CEOs of big defense contractors. There was an instance during Iraq of the government refusing to outfit hummers with extra under armor to defend against roadside bombs, which led to multiple deaths that could’ve been prevented. Meanwhile there are countless examples of contractors price gouging and the government happily forking over your and my money to them. There are multiple books outlining hundreds more egregious examples. If everyone knew how the defense budget was actually spent they’d probably be sick.

Bullshit!
 
Welcome to the age of drone warfare....the ground soldier is not that important to modern military warfare and they'll get scope funding without a sports franchise or tennis shoe company footing the bill. Blazers made a decision that must have been signed off on by Jody Allen. It's her franchise, her money...maybe she'd rather finance a hospital....choices. Scopes are now satelites and computer programs....el prez just wants to hang on to his Assassin Creed ...World of Warcraft thrills ..nostalgia. Anybody who's served knows how much wasted miliitary equipment we just leave in Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet Nam...wherever...we're not suffering for sniper scopes and there aren't hundreds of thousands of snipers in the army...they are a select group. The Blazers aren't going to dent the military budget or stress any soldier with this move...they just find another source that needs the tax right off
 
Perhaps it is too much. The alternative if not enough is disaster. Improve the process all you like, but never put your Troops at risk. Never, let anyone think; maybe.
My response would be that its not the spending that is causing danger to our troops but that we have our troops in every corner of the globe and many of those places they dont really belong.

We could reduce military spending by a lot without endangering our troops. We may endanger local manufacturing, and jobs because of how many people that contractors employ, but the troops would be much safer if we weren't fighting for oil.
 
why are our troops over their fighting for it

No need. That should not be the mission. Encourage and support the President, I am sure he thinks the same, Bring the Troop home!
We can always go kick ass again if need. No point what so ever in policing the world or Nation building. Everyone should become aware of the doctrine, You really don't want to see the US troops coming back! Be very happy when they are home.
 
When you go to kick ass for righteous reason, you can always find a way to gain the moral high ground. But there is noway to hold it once you over stay your welcome.
 
When you go to kick ass for righteous reason, you can always find a way to gain the moral high ground. But there is noway to retain it once you over stay your welcome.
Who gets to choose whether the reason was righteous to begin with?
 
Who gets to choose whether the reason was righteous to begin with?
That is what we elect a President to do, the sovereign. He/she answers to the people, the electorate, thus they have the ultimate responsibility. It might be difficult to get better than this.

Of course you know, Congress has a role here, but not the leadership.
 
That is what we elect a President to do, the sovereign. He/she answers to the people, the electorate, thus they have the ultimate responsibility. It might be difficult to get better than this.

Of course you know, Congress has a role here, but not the leadership.

This makes me wonder why you like trump.... He does none of this.
 
My response would be that its not the spending that is causing danger to our troops but that we have our troops in every corner of the globe and many of those places they dont really belong.

We could reduce military spending by a lot without endangering our troops. We may endanger local manufacturing, and jobs because of how many people that contractors employ, but the troops would be much safer if we weren't fighting for oil.
Just put those people to work doing something more productive. Like getting to Mars or building a moon base. Or mining asteroids etc... The money is already being wasted...
 
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Just put those people to work doing something more productive. Like getting to Mars or building a moon base. Or mining asteroids etc... The money is already being wasted...
infrastructure....how about a high speed rail system from Alaska to Mexico ….a traffic system that works to stop congested traffic in cities like Portland? The French are cleaning up around the globe with high speed rail contracts we show no interest in....the one they built in Taipei virtually cleaned the air in the city and made traffic manageable....convenient transport from the coast to the mountains should boost local ski biz, coastal restaurant biz...etc..casinos...I shouldn't have to drive 3 hours from Lane county to go to a Blazer game....high speed rail would get you there in a fraction of the time.....I'd go to Portland and Bend often if there was one.
 
Sorry but that's a load of bull to me. And personally, IDGAF who gets "caught in the crossfire" when it comes to cutting military spending. We spend more on "defense" than the next 10 countries. It's not a fucking red herring.
An awful lot of that expense is in military pensions and pay which happens to be higher, much higher, than the military pay levels of any other country. The average sergeant earns over $50,000 a year plus room, board, clothing allowance, laundry, private gym, Special Services benefits such as skiing and the like and a host of other benefits. Almost forgot educational assistance. Subtract all of that and our military expense isn't that great. Now, consider all that we must protect around the world. Not just principally but all the leadership, bases, and exercises. Now add on the nuclear umbrella we provide.
If it were me, I would spend even more. For example think of the good will if we could ramp up recycling so that we were a much smaller burden on the waste disposal of our allies where we had troops and bases stationed. I'd add money for the schooling of our troops stationed overseas. Think about the guys who were killed or disabled for life because we were too cheap to armor our Humvees.
 
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Really? Like, really??

Please tell me how this relationship benefited the Blazers besides creating protesters.

I'd happily join the protesters and am very glad the Blazers ended their affiliation with a company that continuously fleeces our country.

Like we need to be spending that much money on "defense".

Superior optics provides superior efficiency (reducing the cost of defense) in surveillance, intelligence gathering, threat detection and expeditious elimination of threat.
 
infrastructure....how about a high speed rail system from Alaska to Mexico ….a traffic system that works to stop congested traffic in cities like Portland? The French are cleaning up around the globe with high speed rail contracts we show no interest in....the one they built in Taipei virtually cleaned the air in the city and made traffic manageable....convenient transport from the coast to the mountains should boost local ski biz, coastal restaurant biz...etc..casinos...I shouldn't have to drive 3 hours from Lane county to go to a Blazer game....high speed rail would get you there in a fraction of the time.....I'd go to Portland and Bend often if there was one.
Absolutely. High speed rail would be a game changer.
 
Superior optics provides superior efficiency (reducing the cost of defense) in surveillance, intelligence gathering, threat detection and expeditious elimination of threat.
yes sir! anytime you can take a step or more out of a process and get a better result, that's efficiency! hopefully at a lower cost!
 
yes sir! anytime you can take a step or more out of a process and get a better result, that's efficiency! hopefully at a lower cost!
Which reminds me, all of Boeing's military contracts had the task of improving producibility. I was tasked with monitoring producibility in our tasks at Boeing Electronic's Manufacturing Engineering. We had this one manager who refused to comply even the slightest. My boss and his boss both told me to forget about him. I look back on it and realize he was cheating the government out of what they were paying us for. It's kind of pissed me off for the last few years.
 

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