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The trade deadline is always the biggest hype show of the year.
 
People are still on the Kirk bandwagon? Eeww, I don't want him anywhere near the Blazers. His offensive game is putrid to say the least.
 
The deal works without sending Bayless in a 3 for 2 deal. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylkxgcj
I don't think Bayless adds much value for them, but in this deal they would save more money. Blazers add 3 mil and a pick and you give them value that way. It becomes a very profitable deal for the Bulls without the Blazers having to give up Bayless.
 
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GOD said:
The deal works without sending Bayless in a 3 for 2 deal. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylkxgcj
I don't think Bayless adds much value for them, but in this deal they would save more money. Blazers add mil and a pick and you give them value that way. It becomes a very profitable deal for the Bulls without the Blazers having to give up Bayless.
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The only problem then is what do you do with Bayless? bury him on the bench again? That isn't going to fly.
 
Nikolokolus said:
The only problem then is what do you do with Bayless? bury him on the bench again? That isn't going to fly.
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Or... Trade Rudy, have him be the backup SG if anything...
 
I wouldn't have a problem getting Thomas, but I'm not quite sure he's 'the guy' to go after to use our young assets to get when we've got Pendergraph/Dante.
 
Nikolokolus said:
The only problem then is what do you do with Bayless? bury him on the bench again? That isn't going to fly.
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I don't know. But I would rather deal with that problem then just lose Bayless. This might also open up other trades using any of the three PG's down the line.
 
I don't think Hinrich's current offensive struggles and Thomas' offensive limitations matter one bit. Hinrich on his worst day is still a better outside shooter than Miller on his best day. But I don't really care about that either. The fact they are not dominant offensive players makes them a better fit with our dominant offensive players, not a worse one. What is most important in this scenario is that Hinrich is significantly better on defense than Miller, Blake, and Rudy, probably better than Roy, and for the time being probably Bayless as well; and that Thomas is significantly better on defense and rebounding than Travis Outlaw. If Blake and Outlaw and an extra backcourt player or picks got us back Hinrich and Thomas I'd be all over it. The only thing that concerns me is who starts and how well Miller would take a possible demotion. A three guard rotation of Miller/Roy/Hinrich plus replacing Outlaw at PF with Thomas makes us a better team, IMO.
 
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I wouldn't mind acquiring Thomas, if Portland thinks they can re-sign him long-term. I think he makes a nice weak side defender off the bench...a younger version of Birdman.

It does, of course, depend on the cost.

Obviously, I'd much, much rather have Biedrins if he's actually available. And I think a Butler/Haywood addition would be really exciting. But those are likely much more pie-in-the-sky scenarios. Tyrus Thomas seems much more realistic.
 
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I'm starting to warm to the idea of an Outlaw and Rudy for Tyrus deal.
 
MIXUM said:
hinrich/thomas for bayless/outlaw?

yes please
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Let's see:

Hinrich - $9.5 M plus Thomas - $4.7 M = $14.2 M

Bayless - $2.1 M plus Outlas - $3.6 M = $5.7 M

Looks like you're a little bit short there, Slick.

Soooo much easier being a message board GM than a real one
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
really??? i undervalue of players the most (or some people think) but i dont think i do that deal
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Yeah, I don't see Outlaw or Rudy fitting in that well long term. I could see Thomas fitting in quite nicely here as a hustling backup big man.
 
e_blazer said:
Let's see:

Hinrich - $9.5 M plus Thomas - $4.7 M = $14.2 M

Bayless - $2.1 M plus Outlas - $3.6 M = $5.7 M

Looks like you're a little bit short there, Slick.

Soooo much easier being a message board GM than a real one
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I guess it's clear why Mix hardly ever posts a real trade idea, just whines and cries.

Go Blazers
 
Post real updates or

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So what if the deal is actually for Thomas and say...Brad Miller........:devilwink:
 
Tyrus Thomas's pre-draft measurements, and some totally random comparisons:

Code: 
Player               Ht w/o shoes       weight  
LaMarcus Aldridge    6'10               234
Jeff Pendergraph     6'8.75             240
Juwan Howard         6'8.5              253
Luke Walton          6'7.75             235
Dontonio Wingfield   6'7.5              246
Pops Mensah-Bonsu    6'7.5              232
James Jones          6'7.25             218
[B]Tyrus Thomas         6'7.25             217[/B]
Rudy Gay             6'7                222
Dante Cunningham     6'7                227

Can we really characterize him as a "big man"?
 
I'd like to see his updated numbers. Travis came into the league at 6'8" and grew to 6'9.5", for example. Tyrus was a freshman (or soph?) at the time of the draft.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Tyrus Thomas's pre-draft measurements, and some totally random comparisons:

Code: 
Player               Ht w/o shoes       weight  
LaMarcus Aldridge    6'10               234
Jeff Pendergraph     6'8.75             240
Juwan Howard         6'8.5              253
Luke Walton          6'7.75             235
Dontonio Wingfield   6'7.5              246
Pops Mensah-Bonsu    6'7.5              232
James Jones          6'7.25             218
[B]Tyrus Thomas         6'7.25             217[/B]
Rudy Gay             6'7                222
Dante Cunningham     6'7                227

Can we really characterize him as a "big man"?
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I don't think anybody was characerizing him as a big man. He plays PF. Chuck Hayes plays center and he is only 6'5" tall. The main question being, are they an effective player? I could give a shit if they are a 3 foot tall midget if they are an effective player at the position they play.
 
Nikolokolus said:
The only problem then is what do you do with Bayless? bury him on the bench again? That isn't going to fly.
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Fly with whom?

Bayless?

He's 21. He doesn't get to dictate when and how often he plays.

I'd like to get Thomas if we can give up just Blake and Outlaw. I don't know that I'd move Rudy to get him, and certainly not Bayless.

Thomas would be a good backup 4 for now and the future, with Aldridge sliding over to play the 5 if Oden is out.

I'd prefer Biedriens because of his superior size and would be willing to throw Rudy the Warriors' way...

Ed O.
 
hasoos said:
I don't think anybody was characerizing him as a big man. He plays PF. Chuck Hayes plays center and he is only 6'5" tall.
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How much does he weigh? You really think Chuck Hayes and Tyrus Thomas are comparable? Hayes could twirl Thomas round his finger.

The main question being, are they an effective player?
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The Bulls are trying to give him away. Perhaps that answers your question.

If we wanted Tyrus Thomas we could have had Pops Mensah-Bonsu. They are practically the same player. Except Pops isn't a colossal asshole.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
How much does he weigh? You really think Chuck Hayes and Tyrus Thomas are comparable? Hayes could twirl Thomas round his finger.



The Bulls are trying to give him away. Perhaps that answers your question.

If we wanted Tyrus Thomas we could have had Pops Mensah-Bonsu. They are practically the same player. Except Pops isn't a colossal asshole.
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1. If we get Thomas, we aren't getting him to be a center.

2. Players on the team don't have to like each other to play well together.

3. We need more assholes on this team. Assholes=Attitude. We have too many nice guys on this team, and the Juwan Howard incident that happened the other day illustrated that. Somebody on the team should have been pissed off well before that.

4. If the Bulls were trying to give him away, then why isn't a deal done? The reason is because they aren't giving him away, and they are asking for more. Every article out there says the Bulls are asking for more from suitors.

5. I wasn't comparing Chuck Hayes to Tyrus Thomas. I was stating that a players size does not matter as long as the position they play they are effective at.

6. Many PF in this league have been tremendously successful at approximately 6'8" tall. They may not be KG versatile at that size, but they can still be good players. 2 of the best defensive PF in league history were 6'8" tall. Buck Williams and Dennis Rodman. Not 6'11".
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If we wanted Tyrus Thomas we could have had Pops Mensah-Bonsu. They are practically the same player. Except Pops isn't a colossal asshole.
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Career PER:

Pops: 13.3
Tyrus: 15.4

Date of birth:

Pops: Sept 7 1983
Tyrus: August 17 1986

The two players are not "practically the same". Thomas is a much better player and he's almost three years younger.

Ed O.
 
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