Blazers interested in Monta?

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Minstrel said:
The current Roy is a black hole, IMO, because he no longer has the consistent ability to break defenses down, which was always the trigger to set other people up. Now, he can only survive by getting the ball and shooting the moment he can find some space. But I wasn't even counting the current Roy as a factor, since he's a role-player in terms of production now.
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OK, so based on the link above, I did the math to see if he's actually more of a black hole now, or if it just seems that way. In fact, he was a black hole the first half of the year, but after he came back from his hiatus, his %pass rate was higher than his career average.

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		Touches	T/M	%pass	%shot	%foul	%TO
2006-07		2444	1.21	55.4	31.3	8.6	4.7
2007-08		4171	1.49	60.6	28.1	8.0	3.3
2008-09		4263	1.47	55.2	30.9	10.3	3.6
2009-10		3344	1.38	53.7	31.0	11.4	3.9
2010, 23 games	951	1.17	48.8	36.7	10.4	4.0
2011, 24 games	517	1.04	56.9	33.6	6.2	3.3
2010-11 total	1468	1.12	51.7	35.6	8.9	3.8
Career		15703	1.37	56.0	30.7	9.6	3.7

Not exactly sure what it means in terms of evaluating his role on the team, but I was sure surprised.
 
He could be a monster on a good team, as a 6th man or a great 2-guard paired with a taller, defensive-minded point guard, and the Warriors would be taking a risk by trading him, no doubt.
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An interesting take from a Warriors blogger on Monta Ellis. He sounds like he'd fit in perfect with Jrue Holiday in Philly.
 
Minstrel said:
Monta Ellis could work out for Portland. He could play two-guard on offense, with Miller as point guard and then the two could switch on defense, with Ellis defending point guards and Miller defending opposing shooting guards.

Of course, if the idea is to replace Miller with Ellis, in the trade, that would be a titanic failure. Ellis and Matthews would be one of the worst distributing tandems in the history of ever.
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I cringe thinking about Miller guarding 2 guards at this point in his career.
 
Ellis is a good volume scorer, yes. But, he lacks everywhere else and gambles way too much on D. The guy I want from the W's is Curry.
 
MickZagger said:
I cringe thinking about Miller guarding 2 guards at this point in his career.
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Point guards tend to be quicker, which is Miller's weakness. I don't think he'd be a good individual defender against shooting guards, but significantly better than Ellis, IMO.
 
Don Nelson-created stars disappoint when traded elsewhere.
 
Monta has the physical tools to be an excellent defender against PG's. (Not SG's) We talk about how Nelson's players are a product of his Offensive system, could the player's D also be a product of that system? What happens to them once they move on to other teams?

On the negative side, Ellis would have to buy in to Nate's Deffensive system, which according to people who actually know baksetball, is pretty good. But I would question his attitude. But that would be a guess. All I know is the guy can flat out score.
 
Without getting into the "you're a troll" "no you're a troll" dispute, I would just add that today's SF Chronicle ran a story in which it was reported the Warriors would seek Matthews or Batum.

FWIW.
 
crandc said:
Without getting into the "you're a troll" "no you're a troll" dispute, I would just add that today's SF Chronicle ran a story in which it was reported the Warriors would seek Matthews or Batum.

FWIW.
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I would assume they would seek both.
 
Monta for Batum and Miller would be...interesting.

I know this is a pipe dream, but Roy couldn't find a better PG to play with than Curry. Even CP3 or STeve Nash wouldn't be as good. Biedrins and Ellis for Roy, Miller, Batum and Babbit (and a pick swap) and checks on TM
 
crandc said:
Without getting into the "you're a troll" "no you're a troll" dispute, I would just add that today's SF Chronicle ran a story in which it was reported the Warriors would seek Matthews or Batum.

FWIW.
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I was thinking about Matthews instead of Batum. I like both but would prefer to send Matthews for the sole reason that Monta can obviously play SG as well as PG. So from purely a minutes standpoint I would rather keep Batum. And Wesley does fit GS's needs.....
 
Maybe. If someone thought Roy was still able to "come back", and that same person thought the Biedrins was more injured than Oden and hated his contract, then it's plausible, though.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Maybe. If someone thought Roy was still able to "come back", and that same person thought the Biedrins was more injured than Oden and hated his contract, then it's plausible, though.
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You would need for the Portland medical staff to be traded to GS first, but ya, in that scenerio, it is plausable. Anything is really? Teams have all different reasons for making deals. Wallace for Joel, Dante and a late pick in two drafts? So I shouldn't poo poo it so fast
 
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I think Wes over Batum as well, potentially. Wes gives them decent size at the SG position. They already have Wright at SF, who did well for them last season. Something around Wes, Rudy, Babbit and more small salary, Armon, perhaps, would at least work financially. Rudy could take a buy out and return to Spain if he desired. I know a deal centered around Wes for Monta is not a good deal vaue wise for GS. If they were motivated to move Monta, struggling to find a partner, and wanteda bigger SG, however, it isn't an awful place to start.
 
RR7 said:
I think Wes over Batum as well, potentially. Wes gives them decent size at the SG position. They already have Wright at SF, who did well for them last season. Something around Wes, Rudy, Babbit and more small salary, Armon, perhaps, would at least work financially. Rudy could take a buy out and return to Spain if he desired. I know a deal centered around Wes for Monta is not a good deal vaue wise for GS. If they were motivated to move Monta, struggling to find a partner, and wanteda bigger SG, however, it isn't an awful place to start.
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I bet Mark Jackson would like to have Miller instead of filler to go with Wes. He played PG at an old age and listening to him talk highly of Andre and Kidd during the Port/Dallas series makes me believe he would like a veteran PG for his first year of coaching.

You never know......
 
I'd love to see POR get Ellis, if they could swing a deal including Matthews, Camby and thier choice of Rudy, Williams or Babbit?

POR takes back Biedrins contract with Ellis. Biedrins is overpaid and injury prone, but younger and certainly serviceable as a b\u for POR with Oden and LA who will probably play some center next year in spots. Ellis gives POR that player who can create 1v1, something they desperately need.

This also allows POR some flexibility to deal Batum to move up in the draft and go after a PG (Knight, Walker) if they choose to do so or via another trade. If Rudy isn't part of the deal, he could be offloaded draft day for a mid teens pick perhaps. If Batum is moved, POR still has Wallace as the starter, Babbit (if he isn't dealt) and could bring over Claver, plus a player to pursue with the MLE....either at PF or SF
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Monta has the physical tools to be an excellent defender against PG's. (Not SG's) We talk about how Nelson's players are a product of his Offensive system, could the player's D also be a product of that system? What happens to them once they move on to other teams?

On the negative side, Ellis would have to buy in to Nate's Deffensive system, which according to people who actually know baksetball, is pretty good. But I would question his attitude. But that would be a guess. All I know is the guy can flat out score.
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I agree he has the tools. If he wanted to dedicate to being a point guard, and not get caught up in his stats and his itchy trigger finger (IOW, Andre Miller's approach to the game), I think he could. If he wanted to dedicate himself to improving his defense, he probably could do that too. He'd have to buy into it.
 
e_blazer said:
Anyone who would trade Batum for Ellis should be GM-ing in a rotisserie league, not the NBA.
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Memories are short around here. After seeing yet another Batum disappearing act in the Finals, getting the #8 scorer in the NBA for him would be a steal.

I'm sorry but the "potenial" tag on Batum doesn't work for me at this point. He's got no handle and a very limited set of offensive tools.
 
Not to speak for e_b, but I think his point is that Monta is a guy that racks up stats. Batum is a guy that helps win games, plays defense, etc.

If you are the Blazers, you hate to lose Batum, BUT if you are keeping Gerald Wallace you can afford to trade Batum. Not sure how I would feel about losing Batum or how Monta fits with what the Blazers are doing, but I could see why the Blazers might have interest in Monta's scoring.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
And the reasons for this stance would be?
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I'm just not a fan. Ellis is one of those guys who has flashy scoring stats, but won't ever make his team better, IMO. I think people tend to minimize what Batum does for the Blazers on the defensive end of the court.
 
Zybot said:
Not to speak for e_b, but I think his point is that Monta is a guy that racks up stats. Batum is a guy that helps win games, plays defense, etc.

If you are the Blazers, you hate to lose Batum, BUT if you are keeping Gerald Wallace you can afford to trade Batum. Not sure how I would feel about losing Batum or how Monta fits with what the Blazers are doing, but I could see why the Blazers might have interest in Monta's scoring.
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Couldn't have (didn't) said it better myself. I don't have a problem with trading Batum, but we'd better be getting back a starting quality PG or big man for him.
 
At first glance, I thought the title read: "Blazers interested in Monia"

Yikes.
 
e_blazer said:
I'm just not a fan. Ellis is one of those guys who has flashy scoring stats, but won't ever make his team better, IMO. I think people tend to minimize what Batum does for the Blazers on the defensive end of the court.
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I suppose. Ellis can be a beast of a scorer in this league which we sorely lack at the wing positions right now. Batum "Could" be better than Ellis someday, but I hope we could win now. At this point in time, Ellis is the superior player, defense or no defense.
 
Wesley and Batum would probably be fair value ... what affect it would actually have in the win-loss column is tough to say, because when you get right down to it, this would only further imbalance the Roster-Coach dynamic -- a stable full of full-court players held back by one of the most down-tempo, half-court coaches the game has ever seen -- I don't see how this is going to work unless Nate leaves and he appears to have in his possession incriminating photos of Kolde, Allen and a donkey from their college days
 
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